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From Boston.

Jewish students extracted from Boston anti-Israel ‘die-in’

Demonstrators fell to the ground as protest leaders read names of Gaza casualties in Operation Protective Edge at rally Saturday

BOSTON – In a corner of America’s oldest public common, some 200 anti-Israel demonstrators held a so-called “die-in” Saturday to protest Israel’s Operation Protective Edge in Gaza.

For the third time in eight days, Boston police were forced to intervene when a small group of student Israel supporters was swarmed by demonstrators screaming anti-Semitic epithets and initiating physical contact, said students involved in the incident.

The two-hour “die-in” on the Boston Common climaxed when protest leaders read the names of Palestinians killed in Gaza since the fighting started. Holding signs printed with each victim’s name and age, demonstrators fell to the concrete as each corresponding name was read.

On Friday, the day before the “die-in,” more than 1,000 Israel supporters gathered in the same spot of the Boston Common to support the Jewish state’s right to self-defense. Organized by the Israeli American Council, the Friday rally featured speeches from Jewish leaders and calls to defend Israel on social media.

Staged across from the gold-domed Massachusetts State House, Saturday’s “die-in” kicked off with an hour of anti-Israel speeches. Most speakers condemned the US government’s support of Israel and the Jewish state’s alleged “war crimes” against Palestinians.

Demonstrators’ signs and T-shirts pointed to participation from a slew of “peace action” committees, local unions, international socialist and women’s groups, and far-left activist group Jewish Voice for Peace. At various points during the gathering, activists called for boycotts of Israeli products and for the US government to “defund” Israel.

During the half-hour “die-in” segment of the rally, some of the sprawled out protesters were observed smoking cigarettes and using cellphones. Others took advantage of the lull to distribute fliers ranging from “The Socialist Alternative” to “Boston Remembers Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

Pro-Israel student activist Brett Loewenstern (center) was extracted by police from a pro-Palestinian 'die-in' on the Boston Common yesterday (photo credit: Elan Kawesch/The Times of Israel)

Pro-Israel student activist Brett Loewenstern (center) was extracted by police from a pro-Palestinian ‘die-in’ on the Boston Common Saturday, July 19, 2014. (photo credit: Elan Kawesch/The Times of Israel)

For the third time since last week, a handful of Jewish students with Israeli flags was surrounded by demonstrators shouting anti-Semitic epithets and – according to two of the students – a tense minute of “pushing and shoving.”

Soon after the “die-in” ended, Brett Loewenstern — a Berklee College of Music student and pro-Israel activist – entered the fray with his boyfriend, Israeli-born Avi Levi.

According to Loewenstern, he and his boyfriend’s combining of an Israeli flag with a rainbow flag – the symbol for gay rights – set off a hailstorm of insults from demonstrators.

Among other things, the shouts included “Jews back to Birkenau” and “Drop dead, you Zionazi whores,” said Loewenstern and other witnesses.

“We started to get pushed and shoved by the Israel haters, and the police came in to extract us from them,” said Loewenstern, a former contestant on American Idol who sings Israel’s national anthem at communal events.

“The policewoman was very nice and said that we were allowed to make our point but we have to do it separately from the Israel haters,” Loewenstern told the Times of Israel.

Pro-Israel activists Avi Levi (left) and Brett Loewenstern speak with a police officer following their extraction from 'pushing and shoving' by anti-Israel protesters (photo credit: Elan Kawesch/The Times of Israel)

Pro-Israel activists Avi Levi (left) and Brett Loewenstern speak with a police officer following their extraction from ‘pushing and shoving’ by anti-Israel protesters (photo credit: Elan Kawesch/The Times of Israel)

Last night, Boston’s Fox affiliate aired a clip of Loewenstern talking about “13 years of rocket attacks on Israel” and the use of Gaza schools and hospitals by Hamas to hide terror weapons.

Another media-savvy activist is Chloe Valdary, the New Orleans-based student assaulted during a protest outside Boston’s Israeli consulate last Friday. Valdary pressed assault and battery charges against her assailant with the Boston Police Department, which sent a detective from its civil rights unit to her apartment.

“Because the Anti-Defamation League filed a report, the detective came and admitted to me that the police dropped the ball,” said Valdary. “[The detective] said that the protesters should not have been allowed to swarm us like that,” she said.

According to Valdary, even one or two vocal Israel supporters “really make a difference when they come to anti-Israel rallies,” she said.

“We really do manage to disrupt them and distract them when we show up,” Valdary said. “We show up and it’s in the media, so the public sees how hate-filled and incredibly deluded these Hamas supporters are,” she said.

Several large anti-Israel gatherings have been held in Boston since Valdary’s assault outside the Israeli consulate last week. During a gathering outside the Boston Public Library on Thursday evening, police had to protect Valdary and student activist Daniel Mael from what Valdary called “hundreds of people shouting ‘Allah is great.’”

On Tuesday evening, anti-Israel demonstrators will gather in Copley Square for a “mass march” against Israel’s “collective punishment of Palestinians,” according to fliers handed out on Saturday. Joining veteran groups opposed to “Israel’s impunity” will be several chapters of Students for Justice in Palestine.

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From John Podhoretz

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Times of Israel, they are sure to have an unbiased perspective.

[quietfan 233]

In this case, the labels "left" or "right" don't really seem appropriate.

Yes, some of the anti-Israel protesters allegedly distributed socialist literature or expressed leftist sentiments. But shouts of "Jews back to Birkenau", if they occurred, clearly reflect extreme right-wing beliefs. Meanwhile, pro-Israel voices combining their protests with Rainbow flags and gay rights messages would hardly be considered "right-wing".

My point is simply that this situation is too complex for a simplistic, blanket condemnation of either side as "left-wing" or "right-wing".

[Weegle777 78]

Sorry I will delete. Will you delete your post above quoting me? Thanks!

[Strychnine 1,802]

Sorry I will delete. Will you delete your post above quoting me? Thanks!

There is no reason to apologize for that. You were willing to acknowledge that you misinterpreted his point, and that is to be admired. There are a few here that would have continued arguing rather than admit that.

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Staged across from the gold-domed Massachusetts State House, Saturday’s “die-in” kicked off with an hour of anti-Israel speeches. Most speakers condemned the US government’s support of Israel and the Jewish state’s alleged “war crimes” against Palestinians.

Demonstrators’ signs and T-shirts pointed to participation from a slew of “peace action” committees, local unions, international socialist and women’s groups, and far-left activist group Jewish Voice for Peace. At various points during the gathering, activists called for boycotts of Israeli products and for the US government to “defund” Israel.

During the half-hour “die-in” segment of the rally, some of the sprawled out protesters were observed smoking cigarettes and using cellphones. Others took advantage of the lull to distribute fliers ranging from “The Socialist Alternative” to “Boston Remembers Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

[Weegle777 78]

Thanks, I sometimes forget in this forum that we are all Auburn men and women here! WDE!

[icanthearyou 4,462]

In this case, the labels "left" or "right" don't really seem appropriate.

Yes, some of the anti-Israel protesters allegedly distributed socialist literature or expressed leftist sentiments. But shouts of "Jews back to Birkenau", if they occurred, clearly reflect extreme right-wing beliefs. Meanwhile, pro-Israel voices combining their protests with Rainbow flags and gay rights messages would hardly be considered "right-wing".

My point is simply that this situation is too complex for a simplistic, blanket condemnation of either side as "left-wing" or "right-wing".

But that doesn't fit the narrative? You can't herd the sheep without effective rhetoric. And, what's wrong with simplistic? The simple answer is almost always the correct one.

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Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

He was not saying that they were right wingers. He was saying that they are not right or left wingers, and their perspectives here need not be attributed to American notions of partisanship. To attempt to do so misses the point, by choosing to focusing on what you have identified as a chance to slam leftist ideology. The actual point is that it is a complex issue where both sides feel like they have a legitimate gripe (and they do) with death at its source.

There is indeed much to be admired about Israel, especially in comparison to the rest of the region. I also think Israel, as a whole, is ultimately more committed to a peaceful one or two state solution to the issue. More importantly, Israel does have every right to defend themselves. However, I do not think this Gaza campaign is the best way of going about it. A disproportionate amount of Palestinians have died. While it is ultimately Hamas' fault, as their actions have caused the Israeli wrath to be delivered upon them, I think it also plays right into the hands of those who want to rally more people behind the cause of Palestinian suffering. In other words, even though Israel will definitely never have a lasting or meaningful peace with Hamas, it is not helping their cause any when they give Hamas fresh recruiting fodder.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

He was not saying that they were right wingers. He was saying that they are not right or left wingers, and their perspectives here need not be attributed to American notions of partisanship. To attempt to do so misses the point, by choosing to focusing on what you have identified as a chance to slam leftist ideology. The actual point is that it is a complex issue where both sides feel like they have a legitimate gripe (and they do) with death at its source.

There is indeed much to be admired about Israel, especially in comparison to the rest of the region. I also think Israel, as a whole, is ultimately more committed to a peaceful one or two state solution to the issue. More importantly, Israel does have every right to defend themselves. However, I do not think this Gaza campaign is the best way of going about it. A disproportionate amount of Palestinians have died. While it is ultimately Hamas' fault, as their actions have caused the Israeli wrath to be delivered upon them, I think it also plays right into the hands of those who want to rally more people behind the cause of Palestinian suffering. In other words, even though Israel will definitely never have a lasting or meaningful peace with Hamas, it is not helping their cause any when they give Hamas fresh recruiting fodder.

You cant rationulize this

libtards is evile sociolist who want to destroy America

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Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

He was not saying that they were right wingers. He was saying that they are not right or left wingers, and their perspectives here need not be attributed to American notions of partisanship. To attempt to do so misses the point, by choosing to focusing on what you have identified as a chance to slam leftist ideology. The actual point is that it is a complex issue where both sides feel like they have a legitimate gripe (and they do) with death at its source.

There is indeed much to be admired about Israel, especially in comparison to the rest of the region. I also think Israel, as a whole, is ultimately more committed to a peaceful one or two state solution to the issue. More importantly, Israel does have every right to defend themselves. However, I do not think this Gaza campaign is the best way of going about it. A disproportionate amount of Palestinians have died. While it is ultimately Hamas' fault, as their actions have caused the Israeli wrath to be delivered upon them, I think it also plays right into the hands of those who want to rally more people behind the cause of Palestinian suffering. In other words, even though Israel will definitely never have a lasting or meaningful peace with Hamas, it is not helping their cause any when they give Hamas fresh recruiting fodder.

You cant rationulize this

libtards is evile sociolist who want to destroy America

And you are an idiot.

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Boston anti-Israel protest ends in tussle

Protesters yell 'Jews back to Birkenau' according to witnesses

Boston police intervened in a solidarity protest with Gazans on Saturday when a small group of Israel supporters was surrounded by demonstrators who screamed anti-Semitic slogans and made physical contact, according to those involved, the Times of Israel reported.

The initial protest was held in Boston's historic common by 200 participants who staged a "die-in" to protest the Israeli actions in the Gaza Strip. The Boston common is the oldest public common in the United States.

The protest centered around the reading of the name of each Palestinian killed in the current Gaza war. As each name was recited, a protester fell to the ground.

The day before the die-in, 1,000 pro-Israel demonstrators gathered at the same spot to voice support for Israel and its current operation to stop rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.

The die-in also featured speeches that condemned Israeli 'war crimes' and US support to Israel. Many called for boycotts against Israel.

After the die-in, Brett Loewenstern, a music student and pro-Israel activist, approached the crowd with his Israeli boyfriend, Avi Levi.

Loewenstern reported that he and his boyfriend were carrying an Israeli flag combined with the gay rights rainbow-colored banner, which set off insults from demonstrators.

Loewenstern and other witnesses said that protesters yelled slogans that included "Jews back to Birkenau" and "Drop dead, you Zionazi whores."

“We started to get pushed and shoved by the Israel haters, and the police came in to extract us from them,” said Loewenstern.

“The policewoman was very nice and said that we were allowed to make our point but we have to do it separately from the Israel haters,” Loewenstern told the Times of Israel.

An anti-Israel protest is planned in Boston for this Tuesday that will be staged as a “mass march” against Israel’s “collective punishment of Palestinians,” according to announcements handed out on Saturday, the Times of Israel reported.

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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

This one is long but there is a ton of interesting information in this article. The bottom line is that there will never be peace between these countries. There are too many politicians on both sides, who for their own benefit, do not want it.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

He was not saying that they were right wingers. He was saying that they are not right or left wingers, and their perspectives here need not be attributed to American notions of partisanship. To attempt to do so misses the point, by choosing to focusing on what you have identified as a chance to slam leftist ideology. The actual point is that it is a complex issue where both sides feel like they have a legitimate gripe (and they do) with death at its source.

There is indeed much to be admired about Israel, especially in comparison to the rest of the region. I also think Israel, as a whole, is ultimately more committed to a peaceful one or two state solution to the issue. More importantly, Israel does have every right to defend themselves. However, I do not think this Gaza campaign is the best way of going about it. A disproportionate amount of Palestinians have died. While it is ultimately Hamas' fault, as their actions have caused the Israeli wrath to be delivered upon them, I think it also plays right into the hands of those who want to rally more people behind the cause of Palestinian suffering. In other words, even though Israel will definitely never have a lasting or meaningful peace with Hamas, it is not helping their cause any when they give Hamas fresh recruiting fodder.

You cant rationulize this

libtards is evile sociolist who want to destroy America

And you are an idiot.

Coming from a complete moron who lacks the ability to think for himself, it means very little but, I will consider it the ultimate compliment. Thank you.

[Weegle777 78]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118751/how-israel-palestine-peace-deal-died

This one is long but there is a ton of interesting information in this article. The bottom line is that there will never be peace between these countries. There are too many politicians on both sides, who for their own benefit, do not want it.

Plus, it's biblical. It says plainly in Ezekiel that a war is coming upon Israel.

[Tigermike 3,007]

Rationalize it any way you want, but it was not right wingers. It was leftists. When these demonstrations 'spring up' on the far left they are invariably pro PLO and anti Israel. I really don't understand grassroots Lefties’ anti-Israel attitudes. Israel is a pluralistic democracy. Israel protects the rights of women and gays and they have a nationalized healthcare system. Jews in the U.S. on the whole in general vote democrat. I just don't understand. I also don't understand those on the right who are anti Israel.

He was not saying that they were right wingers. He was saying that they are not right or left wingers, and their perspectives here need not be attributed to American notions of partisanship. To attempt to do so misses the point, by choosing to focusing on what you have identified as a chance to slam leftist ideology. The actual point is that it is a complex issue where both sides feel like they have a legitimate gripe (and they do) with death at its source.

There is indeed much to be admired about Israel, especially in comparison to the rest of the region. I also think Israel, as a whole, is ultimately more committed to a peaceful one or two state solution to the issue. More importantly, Israel does have every right to defend themselves. However, I do not think this Gaza campaign is the best way of going about it. A disproportionate amount of Palestinians have died. While it is ultimately Hamas' fault, as their actions have caused the Israeli wrath to be delivered upon them, I think it also plays right into the hands of those who want to rally more people behind the cause of Palestinian suffering. In other words, even though Israel will definitely never have a lasting or meaningful peace with Hamas, it is not helping their cause any when they give Hamas fresh recruiting fodder.

You cant rationulize this

libtards is evile sociolist who want to destroy America

And you are an idiot.

Coming from a complete moron who lacks the ability to think for himself, it means very little but, I will consider it the ultimate compliment. Thank you.

Projection it's what you do.