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Statement by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel on Kurdish Resupply Effort

"The United States appreciates the willingness of more and more of our allies and partners to support the Iraqi people in their fight against ISIL

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"Two weeks ago, I commissioned a U.S.-led working group to accelerate resupply efforts to the embattled Kurdish forces in northern Iraq. In addition to support from the U.S., and the central government of Iraq in Baghdad, seven additional nations - Albania, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Italy, France, and the United Kingdom - have committed to helping provide Kurdish forces urgently needed arms and equipment. Operations have already begun and will accelerate in the coming days with more nations also expected to contribute. I'd like to thank each of these allies for working alongside the United States military.

"This multinational effort, which is being coordinated with the Government of Iraq in Baghdad, will greatly assist Kurdish forces in repelling the brutal terrorist threat they face from ISIL.

"The determination of the Iraqi people and the international community to counter the threat posed by ISIL is only growing, and the United States looks forward to working with our friends from around the world to assist this effort."

PLEASE POST INFORMATION ONLY! Let's try to keep informed but please keep the politics to other threads. Thanks.

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Disturbing:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/26/fbi-dhs-bulletin-warns-retaliation-for-airstrikes-against-isis/

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security have sent out a bulletin to law enforcement officials warning that U.S. airstrikes in Iraq could provoke retaliation by Islamic State sympathizers in the U.S., Fox News has learned.

The warning on Friday comes shortly after U.S. intelligence officials said there is evidence foreign fighters have returned to their home countries and started Islamic State cells. While there is no evidence of a credible plot against the U.S. now, the latest bulletin warns that the lone wolf nature of the threat would make it difficult to thwart.

"It is difficult to predict triggers that will contribute to [homegrown violent extremists] attempting acts of violence," the bulletin said. "[Lone wolf terrorists] present law enforcement with limited opportunities to detect and disrupt plots, which frequently involve simple plotting against targets of opportunity."

Islamic State militants claimed last week that the execution of American journalist James Foley was in retaliation for U.S. airstrikes in Iraq.

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There is ONLY one way to deal with these people.

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Anyone else feel comforted by the mixed signals from this admin ? One day, ISIS is the worst ever, a clear and present danger to the U.S., and then the next, ISIS is a regional problem, one we can't solve , so we won't even try.

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Why a thread in the Political Forum off limits to politics (just asking). Isn't the OP the same one already posted in the "ISIS Thirst for Oil" thread?

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Why a thread in the Political Forum off limits to politics (just asking). Isn't the OP the same one already posted in the "ISIS Thirst for Oil" thread?

I guess I didn't read past the headline.

ooops.

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We have several threads on this with political information exchanged. I thought it would be good to have a thread dedicated to information about this situation since it is so important.

Rolling of the eyes noted. :)

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This is the type of stuff that we should be paying attention to.

One in six French people say they support ISIS

Updated by Max Fisher on August 26, 2014, 8:30 a.m. ET @Max_Fisher max@vox.com

Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

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First, a caveat: while the polls of Gazans and Europeans are similar, they are not totally identical. They were conducted by different polling agencies using different methods, and the different question could skew responses, as "support" is stronger than "favor." So keep that in mind when comparing the Gaza results to the others, although it is hard to ignore that ISIS could have a higher approval rating in France than in Gaza.

In any case, the big, scary, surprising, number here is France: 16 percent of those surveyed say they support ISIS. That's an awful lot. And that number gets even larger as the demographics get younger, as shown in this by-age breakdown published by Russia Today (the poll was commissioned by Russian state media, almost certainly to tar and/or troll Western countries, but that doesn't make the findings any less disturbing):

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(Russia Today)

This is alarming, in part because a growing number of Europeans, often from predominantly Muslim immigrant communities, are not just expressing their support for ISIS in polls: they are traveling to Syria and Iraq to join up. The ISIS fighter who killed American journalist James Foley on video last week spoke with a strong London accent. European governments are rightly worried about the implications of this for their own national security.

But there's more going on here. It's no secret that far-right politics have been on the rise in Western Europe, which includes a growing willingness to embrace extremism and greater intolerance of all kinds. It is ironic but by no means impossible that far-right Islamophobia would rise in Europe alongside a greater approval of the Islamist group ISIS. Extremism is often reactive and ideologically contradictory.

The growth of European intolerance has brought a rise in hate toward Jews in Europe, as well as Muslims. It's more complicated than extremism festering within predominantly Muslim immigrant communities. "There is no clear correlation in Europe between the level of popular anti-Semitism and the size of the Muslim population," the British writer Kenan Malik explained recently in the New York Times. He went on:

The rise of identity politics has helped create a more fragmented, tribal society, and made sectarian hatred more acceptable generally.

At the same time, the emergence of "anti-politics," the growing contempt for mainstream politics and politicians noticeable throughout Europe, has laid the groundwork for a melding of radicalism and bigotry. Many perceive a world out of control and driven by malign forces; conspiracy theories, once confined to the fringes of politics, have become mainstream.

The good news here may be the Gaza poll numbers. While 13 percent is exactly 13 more than what it should be, 85 percent of polled Gazans said they oppose ISIS. That's awfully high, especially considering that Europeans were much less likely to say they held an unfavorable view of the group:

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Though Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been arguing that ISIS is indistinguishable from Hamas, the Palestinian group that rules Gaza (he is wrong for a number of reasons), it turns out that at least Palestinians in Gaza see a strong distinction. While the Gaza poll did not ask for Hamas approval/disapproval, it did return favorable-sounding results on two questions: "Was the Palestinian resistance prepared for this aggression [by Israel against Gaza]," to which 58 percent said yes; and "do you support disarming the Palestinian resistance," to which 93 percent said no and 3 percent said yes.

Again, Gazans and Europeans were asked slightly different questions by different polling agencies, but it is still awfully striking that more Gazans gave the anti-ISIS response than did Western Europeans.

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Thanks for sharing, channoc! The spread of what I would term "orthodox Islam" is a contributing factor to the growing support of ISIS/ISIL/Muslim Brotherhood?etc.

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Thanks for sharing, channoc! The spread of what I would term "orthodox Islam" is a contributing factor to the growing support of ISIS/ISIL/Muslim Brotherhood?etc.

I think this is why military response is a fine line... I certainly don't want it to backfire and have more people become sympathetic to these terrorist groups.

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Thanks for sharing, channoc! The spread of what I would term "orthodox Islam" is a contributing factor to the growing support of ISIS/ISIL/Muslim Brotherhood?etc.

I think this is why military response is a fine line... I certainly don't want it to backfire and have more people become sympathetic to these terrorist groups.

True, but untreated cancer leads to death 100% of the time, but it is a very fine line....thanks again.

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autigerment.....I know this is not the thread for a medical discussion but untreated cancer does not always lead to death. If a person gets a slow growing cancer at mid life, something else is likely to cause his death before the cancer does Moot point though I guess.

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How much these polls really mean is questionable. The average person does not keep up with all the various Moslem groups and those that are and are not terrorists. Asking the person in the European country first if they are Moslem and then their position on ISIS would have been better.

Note that the Moslems in Gaza seem most aware of ISIS due their location. There are either against 85% or 13% for ISIS.

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autigerment.....I know this is not the thread for a medical discussion but untreated cancer does not always lead to death. If a person gets a slow growing cancer at mid life, something else is likely to cause his death before the cancer does Moot point though I guess.

I know...but we all get the point. LOL

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Statement From Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby

Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. Kirby provided the following statement:

At the request of the Government of Iraq, the United States military today airdropped humanitarian aid to the town of Amirli, home to thousands of Shia Turkomen who have been cut off from receiving food, water, and medical supplies for two months by ISIL. The United States Air Force delivered this aid alongside aircraft from Australia, France and the United Kingdom who also dropped much needed supplies.

In conjunction with this airdrop, U.S. aircraft conducted coordinated airstrikes against nearby ISIL terrorists in order to support this humanitarian assistance operation.

These military operations were conducted under authorization from the Commander-in-Chief to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian assistance and to prevent an ISIL attack on the civilians of Amirli. The operations will be limited in their scope and duration as necessary to address this emerging humanitarian crisis and protect the civilians trapped in Amirli.

The U.S. military will continue to assess the effectiveness of these operations and work with the Department of State, the U.S. Agency for International Development, as well as international partners including the Government of Iraq, the United Nations, and non-government organizations to provide humanitarian assistance in Iraq as needed.

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This is the type of stuff that we should be paying attention to.

The percentage expressed for each state roughly parallels the Muslim population with the exceptions of France and Gaza.

Germany is 3.7% Muslim, UK is 4.4% Muslim, France 5-10% Muslim, Gaza 99% Muslim.

Unemployment for Muslim young men is very high in France. Can't remember the exact number but I believe it is over 50%. The French national unemployment number is 10%. The voting in of Socialist French President is credited to the French Muslims http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3523/islamization-of-france# .

Unemployed people tend to project their frustrations on other situations. Might this be the case reflected in the polls about ISIS you cite ?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fr.html (People & Society section notes religion percentages)

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Morning reports say it has been confirmed, and the WH admits, that Obama has received daily briefings on ISIS for over a year. And yet as the threat has grow day by day he still doesn't have a plan.

Speaking openly on the morning news, the parents of a Navy Seal killed by terrorists said "the biggest threat to the security of our country resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave,"

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Morning reports say it has been confirmed, and the WH admits, that Obama has received daily briefings on ISIS for over a year. And yet as the threat has grow day by day he still doesn't have a plan.

Speaking openly on the morning news, the parents of a Navy Seal killed by terrorists said "the biggest threat to the security of our country resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave,"

"Information only, no politics" :rolleyes:

(And thus the original :rolleyes: )

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