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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gun-range-owner-declares-her-business-a-muslim-free-zone/ar-BB6Dmn1

And so it begins. Will we see more business's declaring themselves off limits to people based on religion? This is exactly what ISIS wants. This will surely lead to others discussing if right now should Muslims even be allowed to have 2nd amendment rights.

I do like that on her Facebook she lays into Target and refuses to do business there because they have made a decision on who should and shouldn't carry guns in there store for their patron. Then she turns around and does the exact same thing, well except that instead of including everyone she singles out a specific religion. Nice hypocrisy.

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There's a tug of war going on here, where the PC elites, those who ignore the elephant in the room are telling everyone that Islam isn't the problem, when those committing the most heinous acts man kind has seen at least since the Khmer Rouge are professing themselves to be Islam.

The people won't be fooled for ever.

Oklahoma beheading was anything but 'work place violence'. Same w/ the Ft. Hood shootings.

The more violent Islam becomes, as more and more 'moderates' remain silent, the people will fear and openly deride those who call themselves Muslim, more and more.

All the brow beating and shaming by the " elites ", those who try to mock and ridicule those who distrust Muslims, it will only fall on deaf ears.

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So then you are saying that we should start stripping all Muslims in the United States of any rights they have then? or perhaps with the large number running around the United States it would just be simpler to repeal the 2nd Amendment as a whole?

Have you read some of the comments here, or especially comments in the articles about them by others? I don't blame the moderates for laying low and trying not to gain attention. Then if they do speak out then they are ignored or labeled as liars. There were several postings on here with links to them speaking out and they were ignored for the most part cause the question keeps getting asked.

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

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Sounds reasonable compared to what surely lies ahead. Sticking your head in the sand only gets you a sandy head........ :-\

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Sounds reasonable compared to what surely lies ahead. Sticking your head in the sand only gets you a sandy head........ :-\/>

Exposes ones backside as well...

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And ISIS rejoices at the ignorant among us.

Good thing there were no "Christain Free Zones" during my time in the Middle East because I would have missed out on some outstanding lamb chops. Abu Ali welcomed me into his resurant with open arms and bought me tea everytime.

ISIS is baiting us into a war

The Islamic State wants to die. Its fighters long for martyrdom and its leaders long for an apocalyptic confrontation with the West that they believe will rally the Islamic world to global jihad.

The entire Western framework for international relations, politics and economics all depends on one assumption—human beings will act according to what they perceive to be their own best self-interests. From capitalism’s pursuit of profit to socialism’s march of history, we always assume that humans want to better their condition. We assume humans want to survive.

Well, how do we fight an enemy who wants to die? And yes, Islamic State fighters long for death like you and I long to breathe. How can we be so naïve to assume that there is any rational, explainable objective driving the actions of a group whose ranks comprise young men from around the world who rejoice at the chance to die?

http://www.blueforcetracker.com/article/ISIS-is-baiting-us-into-a-war

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Nah the comments were better than that, it involved marking them with pork products.

I don't see where the over reaction is in my question is. She has publicly declared her business a Muslim Free Zone and has a large amount of support with many suggesting other American business's should do the same.

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Umm, no.

How do you arrive @ that conclusion ? I think this says more about you than you'd like.

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

Cool with me. If you respect what she did and would respect someone doing it to you equally the same, that's fair. I can respect that.

Problem is, majority of Americans would view that as a one way street though.

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

Cool with me. If you respect what she did and would respect someone doing it to you equally the same, that's fair. I can respect that.

Problem is, majority of Americans would view that as a one way street though.

"Majority of Americans"? I am routinely questioned for links by the lefties in here..do you have a link that bares that statement out? I am of theopinion that most americans have had about enough of these people's barbaric antics

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

Cool with me. If you respect what she did and would respect someone doing it to you equally the same, that's fair. I can respect that.

Problem is, majority of Americans would view that as a one way street though.

"Majority of Americans"? I am routinely questioned for links by the lefties in here..do you have a link that bares that statement out? I am of theopinion that most americans have had about enough of these people's barbaric antics

What does barbaric antics have to do with anything?

I'm saying most would not react like you and say "its ok if a business owner turns me away cause its his business".

IE "I support a business saying no Muslims", but then a business says "No, I want serve your child icecream cause they are Christian" to the same person and you have stepped on their rights. Unless you believe that to be false and majority of Americans would accept this.

What the hell dude. I compliment you on you saying you view it one way regardless of the outcome for you or against you and respect that and you come back with more left/right bull****?

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

So do you think all Muslims adhere to the concept of jihad and violence or not? Do we just lump them all in that category regardless? That is what the owner of this business is doing.

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

Cool with me. If you respect what she did and would respect someone doing it to you equally the same, that's fair. I can respect that.

Problem is, majority of Americans would view that as a one way street though.

"Majority of Americans"? I am routinely questioned for links by the lefties in here..do you have a link that bares that statement out? I am of theopinion that most americans have had about enough of these people's barbaric antics

What does barbaric antics have to do with anything?

I'm saying most would not react like you and say "its ok if a business owner turns me away cause its his business".

IE "I support a business saying no Muslims", but then a business says "No, I want serve your child icecream cause they are Christian" to the same person and you have stepped on their rights. Unless you believe that to be false and majority of Americans would accept this.

What the hell dude. I compliment you on you saying you view it one way regardless of the outcome for you or against you and respect that and you come back with more left/right bull****?

It was an honest question about the link. Sorry you got offended. I dont even view this issue through a religious lens. I believe the business owner has every right to run her business as she sees fit. The end.

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

So do you think all Muslims adhere to the concept of jihad and violence or not? Do we just lump them all in that category regardless? That is what the owner of this business is doing.

Im not that preoccupied with ALL Muslims. What I am talking about is the essence of the Islamic tradition. Study it. Clearly not all Muslims choose to become militant extremists but the teachings are there if wish go in that direction.

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

So do you think all Muslims adhere to the concept of jihad and violence or not? Do we just lump them all in that category regardless? That is what the owner of this business is doing.

Im not that preoccupied with ALL Muslims. What I am talking about is the essence of the Islamic tradition. Study it. Clearly not all Muslims choose to become militant extremists but the teachings are there if wish go in that direction.

So, do we just lump them all together as Muslims to make sure we cover the ones you are "preoccupied" with?

And clearly, there is enough fodder in the bible to justify terrorism if a Chrsitian really wants to go in that direction.

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Letter signed by 125 Muslim scholars to ISIS:

http://lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf

"1- It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.

2- It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic language.

3- It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.

4- It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.

5- It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.

6- It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.

7- It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.

8- Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

9- It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

10- It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat;in any way;Christians or any; People of the Scripture.

11- It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.

12- The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

13- It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.

14- It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.

15- It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.

16- It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

17- It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.

18- It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.

19- It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God.

20- It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.

21- Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

22- It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.

23- Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.

24- After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

Islam is mercy and its attributes are merciful. The Prophet, who was sent as a mercy for all the worlds, summarized a Muslim’s dealings with others by saying: He who shows no mercy, will not be shown mercy and Have mercy and you will be shown mercy; But, as can be seen from everything mentioned, you have misinterpreted Islam into a religion of harshness, brutality, torture and murder. As elucidated, this is a great wrong and an offence to Islam, to Muslims and to the entire world.

Reconsider all your actions; desist from them; repent from them; cease harming others and return to the religion of mercy."

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

So do you think all Muslims adhere to the concept of jihad and violence or not? Do we just lump them all in that category regardless? That is what the owner of this business is doing.

Im not that preoccupied with ALL Muslims. What I am talking about is the essence of the Islamic tradition. Study it. Clearly not all Muslims choose to become militant extremists but the teachings are there if wish go in that direction.

So, do we just lump them all together as Muslims to make sure we cover the ones you are "preoccupied" with?

And clearly, there is enough fodder in the bible to justify terrorism if a Chrsitian really wants to go in that direction.

If you could point to the Christians in the world currently lopping of heads of innocents who wont convert to their religion you may avoid me telling you once again your strawmen arguments are useless. Clearly, youre hellbent on defending something you know next t0 nothing about. Im not sure how to deal with all Muslims. Glad its not my call.

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So Blue, if you or your family were turned away and told my business is whatever free, based off your race, religion, etc would you have a issue with that? Or would you have the same attitude toward them that you do for this woman?

Nope! Anything else? The country has gotten into a posture of expressing imaginary grievances about everything. if i was a party to a group that was killing innocents world wide, frankly, i would expect such treatment. Having been a business owner and possessing a clear understanding about everything that implies, I respect the rights of independent businesses to run their business ANYWAY they feel best serves themselves and their customers.

Cool with me. If you respect what she did and would respect someone doing it to you equally the same, that's fair. I can respect that.

Problem is, majority of Americans would view that as a one way street though.

"Majority of Americans"? I am routinely questioned for links by the lefties in here..do you have a link that bares that statement out? I am of theopinion that most americans have had about enough of these people's barbaric antics

What does barbaric antics have to do with anything?

I'm saying most would not react like you and say "its ok if a business owner turns me away cause its his business".

IE "I support a business saying no Muslims", but then a business says "No, I want serve your child icecream cause they are Christian" to the same person and you have stepped on their rights. Unless you believe that to be false and majority of Americans would accept this.

What the hell dude. I compliment you on you saying you view it one way regardless of the outcome for you or against you and respect that and you come back with more left/right bull****?

It was an honest question about the link. Sorry you got offended. I dont even view this issue through a religious lens. I believe the business owner has every right to run her business as she sees fit. The end.

I was just using a religious example. So maybe that is why it didn't come out right. It could be anything (hair, breathe, clothing, cat lover, LSU fan etc).

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And there we have the standard over reaction & hyperbole laden response. What next,false claims that Muslims should be forced to sew a patch in their clothing? A snazzy crescent & star number, perhaps?

Hyper over reaction to very real concerns will only make matters worse, not better.

Isn't that exactly where the "it's all about Islam" logic takes you?

Exactly how much do you know about Islam? Muslims choose for themselves how much of the religion they're going to practice but Islam IS NOT a religion that, in its essence, espouses peace. If you insist it does, you will be grossly mistaken. It is at least as much political as anything else because its thrust is world domination but NOT by missionary efforts. I dont think you understand "jihad" and everything it implies. I have NO problem whatsoever with this lady's position..its HER call because its HER business. That we have a bunch of liberal self professed geniuses criticizing her makes me like it even more.

So do you think all Muslims adhere to the concept of jihad and violence or not? Do we just lump them all in that category regardless? That is what the owner of this business is doing.

Im not that preoccupied with ALL Muslims. What I am talking about is the essence of the Islamic tradition. Study it. Clearly not all Muslims choose to become militant extremists but the teachings are there if wish go in that direction.

So, do we just lump them all together as Muslims to make sure we cover the ones you are "preoccupied" with?

And clearly, there is enough fodder in the bible to justify terrorism if a Chrsitian really wants to go in that direction.

If you could point to the Christians in the world currently lopping of heads of innocents who wont convert to their religion you may avoid me telling you once again your strawmen arguments are useless. Clearly, youre hellbent on defending something you know next t0 nothing about. Im not sure how to deal with all Muslims. Glad its not my call.

Clearly there have been many incidents in the past where Christians did exactly that.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that given the right political and sociological conditions, it could happen again. After all, the holocaust happened in the middle of the last century. And while that wasn't a strictly religious-motivated event, it certainly was conducted by a Christian society.

And your comment of how to "deal with all Muslims" is reflective of the possibility.

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