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...a good case for a little more clarity in thread titles. If I had not actually read this earlier post, I would not have realized from its title that it was about Hunter Biden.

Not meant as an attack on anyone, just a plea for more clarity in titles. ;)

(As for the subject matter: He broke the rules, he pays the consequences. Neither the first nor the last to do so, not even the first or the last relative of a politician to do so.)

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...a good case for a little more clarity in thread titles. If I had not actually read this earlier post, I would not have realized from its title that it was about Hunter Biden.

Not meant as an attack on anyone, just a plea for more clarity in titles. ;)/>

(As for the subject matter: He broke the rules, he pays the consequences. Neither the first nor the last to do so, not even the first or the last relative of a politician to do so.)

In this case he received special treatment to start this attempt at a naval reserve career. Biden is 44 years old and most officers are commissioned at 22. The maximum age to receive a commission in the military is 35 which required a waiver for hunter Biden. Most military officers are retired by the age of 44. He also received another waiver for a drug related incident when he was younger. Then he gets a very nice assignment as a navy public relations officer. Now is has he thrown all that away due to failing a drug test for cocaine. Dumb.

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cptau.....Yep he obviously got special treatment because of who he is but he's not the first and unfortunately won't be the last. Politics rules. We now have an Ebola Czar with no medical experience to coordinate the coordinators.

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I don't know if he got special treatment. There are several degrees that the military will take and let you enlist as an officer with after the age of 35. I know that doctors, nurses, people with masters in public health, health care administration etc can usually enroll up to the age of 42 and even then get a waiver if older based on the needs.

42 appears to be the worded cut off for law degrees, but elsewhere it states they will waive age based on need on their site. His name/father probably helped, but it is not like they stretched the rules way out for him. He was what 43?

http://www.navy.com/...rney-legal.html

Also I think a good manager is a good manager. I've seen and been involved in the management side of both public health and health care admin. A medical background is not necessarily needed when it comes to people, supplies, etc etc. Same game different product.

Anyway the guy messed up, and owned it. Something most people in the world don't do today.

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I don't know if he got special treatment. There are several degrees that the military will take and let you enlist as an officer with after the age of 35. I know that doctors, nurses, people with masters in public health, health care administration etc can usually enroll up to the age of 42 and even then get a waiver if older based on the needs.

42 appears to be the worded cut off for law degrees, but elsewhere it states they will waive age based on need on their site. His name/father probably helped, but it is not like they stretched the rules way out for him. He was what 43?

http://www.navy.com/...rney-legal.html

Also I think a good manager is a good manager. I've seen and been involved in the management side of both public health and health care admin. A medical background is not necessarily needed when it comes to people, supplies, etc etc. Same game different product.

Anyway the guy messed up, and owned it. Something most people in the world don't do today.

Medical officers can be commissioned up to age 47 without a waiver. They also do not have to retire at the age of 55 from the military. Medical officers obtain a commission using the direct commission programs setup for physicians, dentists, pharmacists, chaplains, lawyers, etc.

The reason other officers have the age 35 age cutoff is so they can have a 20 year retirement. There are other reasons related to general physical condition and health. Before commissioning they have to graduate from a service academy, ROTC, or a 12 week officer candidate school. A new naval public relations officer would have to go through one of those 3 commission paths.

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The Bush twins were crucified by the media when they were caught having a drink in college. You have to dig deep into the news to find a story about ole Joe's boy doing cocaine and being discharged from the Naval Reserve.

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I don't know if he got special treatment. There are several degrees that the military will take and let you enlist as an officer with after the age of 35. I know that doctors, nurses, people with masters in public health, health care administration etc can usually enroll up to the age of 42 and even then get a waiver if older based on the needs.

42 appears to be the worded cut off for law degrees, but elsewhere it states they will waive age based on need on their site. His name/father probably helped, but it is not like they stretched the rules way out for him. He was what 43?

http://www.navy.com/...rney-legal.html

Also I think a good manager is a good manager. I've seen and been involved in the management side of both public health and health care admin. A medical background is not necessarily needed when it comes to people, supplies, etc etc. Same game different product.

Anyway the guy messed up, and owned it. Something most people in the world don't do today.

Medical officers can be commissioned up to age 47 without a waiver. They also do not have to retire at the age of 55 from the military. Medical officers obtain a commission using the direct commission programs setup for physicians, dentists, pharmacists, chaplains, lawyers, etc.

The reason other officers have the age 35 age cutoff is so they can have a 20 year retirement. There are other reasons related to general physical condition and health. Before commissioning they have to graduate from a service academy, ROTC, or a 12 week officer candidate school. A new naval public relations officer would have to go through one of those 3 commission paths.

Well I would assume if you are going to be a officer they would make you do OCS.

But the rest doesn't apply. My field would only require at minimum a 3 year commitment and the listed cut off age is 41. Unless you are considering administration and social workers for example as "medical officers". I thought that term strictly applied to physicians, nurses, dentists, etc.

Qualifications

To qualify for Active Duty employment consideration as a Health Care Administrator in the Navy Medical Service Corps, you must meet these basic requirements:

  • Be a U.S. citizen currently practicing in the U.S. (contact a
    Navy Medical Recruiter for details)
  • Master’s degree with a major in health care, hospital or health services administration (MHA). MHAs must be accredited by the Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Management Education (CAHME)
  • Or a master’s degree in business administration (MBA) with a concentration in Health Care Administration. MBAs must be accredited by the American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB)
  • Or have a master’s degree in public health accredited by CEPH in Public Health (Concentration in Administration)
  • Be willing to serve a minimum of three years of Active Duty
  • Be between the ages of 18 and 41
  • Be in good physical condition and pass a full medical examination

You may also be expected to meet certain preferred requirements:

  • Residency completion and employment experience in Health Care Administration (PPO, HMO, Managed Care)
  • GPA of 3.0 or higher on a 4.0 scale
  • Letters of recommendation from military or civilian personnel

http://www.navy.com/...nistration.html

Just noticed mine is not reserves, too lazy to look up and see if that is different. Which it probably is.

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The Bush twins were crucified by the media when they were caught having a drink in college. You have to dig deep into the news to find a story about ole Joe's boy doing cocaine and being discharged from the Naval Reserve.

Didn't they get hit with multiple citations in a matter of weeks though. And were using fake ID's, which is a real no no around here. Just look through several arguments that involve identification.

Personally 19 year olds in Austin are going to drink so noone should of gotten bent out of shape about it.

Honestly of course they are going to hit the conservatives hard about things of this nature, due to the fact that the conservatives are most often the most critical of other people that do such things. It's like how people like to call out liberals if they show any hint of racial or religious bias for example.

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The mayor of Austin sent out a SWAT Team for two college age girls drinking underage.

The people who crucify these kids are just sick.

Leave them the hell alone.

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Here's the dealio.

10 U.S. Code § 14703 - Authority to retain chaplains and officers in medical specialties until specified age

(a) Retention.— Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 1407 of this title and except for officers referred to in sections 14503, 14504, 14505, and 14506 of this title and under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense—

(1) the Secretary of the Army may, with the officer’s consent, retain in an active status any reserve officer assigned to the Medical Corps, the Dental Corps, the Veterinary Corps, the Medical Services Corps (if the officer has been designated as allied health officer or biomedical sciences officer in that Corps), the Optometry Section of the Medical Services Corps, the Chaplains, the Army Nurse Corps, or the Army Medical Specialists Corps;

(2) the Secretary of the Navy may, with the officer’s consent, retain in an active status any reserve officer appointed in the Medical Corps, Dental Corps, Nurse Corps, or Chaplain Corps or appointed in the Medical Services Corps and designated to perform as a veterinarian, optometrist, podiatrist, allied health officer, or biomedical sciences officer; and

(3) the Secretary of the Air Force may, with the officer’s consent, retain in an active status any reserve officer who is designated as a medical officer, dental officer, Air Force nurse, Medical Service Corps officer, biomedical sciences officer, or chaplain.

Separation at Specified Age.— An officer may not be retained in active status under this section later than the date on which the officer becomes 68 years of age.

So if we bring on an Officer who is that old, they will be required to sign an understanding that they will not be entitled to a military retirement.

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I am wondering what made him decide to join the military at that age in the first place. I am not trying to imply anything just being curious.

Maybe he has political aspirations and his advisors thought military experience on his resume' would help. It worked for Bush 2.

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Here's a case from 2007:

Doctor, 61, joins Navy to honor son

Bill Krissoff decides to enlist in the medical corps after his eldest child is killed in Iraq.

SAN DIEGO — When Marines came to his door a year ago to tell him that his eldest son had been killed in Iraq, Bill Krissoff reacted like any father: with confusion, devastation, then numbness.

Nathan Krissoff was so young, a lover of poetry, a champion athlete, a leader whose maturity and selflessness had impressed fellow Marines.

The father in Krissoff found no resolution to his grief. The physician in him did.

At an age when many people think about retirement, Krissoff decided earlier this year that he would enlist as a doctor. He was 60 years old, decades above the military's preferred demographic.

Still, with a medical degree from the University of Colorado and specialty training at San Francisco General Hospital and UC Davis, Krissoff seemed easily qualified for a reserve commission in the Navy medical corps, which tends to Marines.

Krissoff had a flourishing private practice in Truckee, Calif. After a lifetime of swimming, kayaking and skiing, he was lean and fit.

But his age was a sticking point. His application bogged down in the military bureaucracy. He thought things might be hopeless.

Then, in late August, Krissoff and his wife, Christine, were invited to meet with President Bush after his speech to the American Legion convention in Reno.

At the end of the hourlong meeting, Bush asked Krissoff and other relatives of service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan whether there was anything he could do for them. Krissoff mentioned his desire to enlist.

Karl Rove, then the president's top political advisor, took notes. Once back at the White House, he turned the matter over to Marine Gen. Peter Pace, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

A few days later, Krissoff got a call from Lt. Cmdr. Ken Hopkins, a Navy nurse now on medical recruiting duty. With a push from the top, Krissoff's enlistment application began to speed through the process of interviews and background checks.

"Suddenly, I got all the support I needed from the bureaucracy to get this done," Hopkins said.

On Nov. 17, Krissoff, now 61, was commissioned a lieutenant commander in the Navy reserves, assigned to the medical corps. Rove sent flowers and a note of congratulations.

Because of the need for doctors and other health professionals, the military offers reserve commissions to qualified applicants.

It is not uncommon, Hopkins said, for civilian doctors at the top of the profession to look to the military for a new challenge. The commitment is light: a weekend a month and two weeks every summer.

But if a reservist wants to do more, the Navy is more than willing to put him or her on active duty at a base, a military hospital or a combat zone.

Several weeks of training in military-style medicine lie ahead, but Krissoff believes he is on his way to honoring his late son, 1st Lt. Nathan Krissoff, by deploying to a field hospital in Iraq.

He is closing up his orthopedic medicine practice in Truckee. He and his wife are moving to San Diego to be close to the Marine Corps 4th Medical Battalion.

They also will be near their other son, Austin, 24, a Marine officer at Camp Pendleton.

"I'm just a doctor who wants to help Marines; I'm not trying to change the world," Krissoff said in a telephone interview. "I'm inspired by both my sons' dedication to service."

Nathan Krissoff, 25, an intelligence officer with the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion, was killed Dec. 9, 2006, by a roadside bomb while riding in a Humvee outside Fallouja, west of Baghdad.

Hundreds of Marines, soldiers and sailors attended a memorial service for him in the auditorium at Camp Fallouja.

Even by the mournful standards of such events, the memorial was emotional. Marines hugged one another, and many had tears in their eyes. Officers and enlisted personnel eulogized Krissoff, a graduate of Williams College, as a natural leader, charismatic but humble.

Lt. Col. William Seely, the battalion commander, said the young officer had shown "great courage and steadfast dedication" against "oppression, tyranny and extremism."

Sgt. Maj. Kenneth Pickering barked out the "Final Roll Call," calling Krissoff's name three times. With no response, a lone bugler played taps.

The difference between practicing medicine in Truckee and tending the wounded in Iraq is lost on no one involved in the enlistment. Krissoff will get refresher training in trauma medicine.

"Operating in a well-lighted surgical theater with air-conditioning is different than operating in a tent in a field," said Hopkins, who served in Iraq during the assault on Baghdad in 2003.

Krissoff concedes a kind of role-reversal is at play. "Usually it's the father who tries to lead the sons by example," he said. "In this case, my sons led me." And what would his son Nathan think of his desire to enlist and deploy to a war zone?

"He'd just say, 'Way to go, Pops,' " said Krissoff, a slight quaver edging into his voice.

http://articles.lati...ocal/me-doctor1

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Difference......Krissoff didn't get caught with cocaine.

I was providing an example that someone in their 60s can be commissioned as a medical officer. I couldnt care less about Biden. The system worked.

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Here's a case from 2007:

Doctor, 61, joins Navy to honor son

Bill Krissoff decides to enlist in the medical corps after his eldest child is killed in Iraq.

SAN DIEGO — When Marines came to his door a year ago to tell him that his eldest son had been killed in Iraq, Bill Krissoff reacted like any father: with confusion, devastation, then numbness.

Nathan Krissoff was so young, a lover of poetry, a champion athlete, a leader whose maturity and selflessness had impressed fellow Marines.

The father in Krissoff found no resolution to his grief. The physician in him did.

At an age when many people think about retirement, Krissoff decided earlier this year that he would enlist as a doctor. He was 60 years old, decades above the military's preferred demographic.

Still, with a medical degree from the University of Colorado and specialty training at San Francisco General Hospital and UC Davis, Krissoff seemed easily qualified for a reserve commission in the Navy medical corps, which tends to Marines.

Krissoff had a flourishing private practice in Truckee, Calif. After a lifetime of swimming, kayaking and skiing, he was lean and fit.

But his age was a sticking point. His application bogged down in the military bureaucracy. He thought things might be hopeless.

Then, in late August, Krissoff and his wife, Christine, were invited to meet with President Bush after his speech to the American Legion convention in Reno.

At the end of the hourlong meeting, Bush asked Krissoff and other relatives of service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan whether there was anything he could do for them. Krissoff mentioned his desire to enlist.

Karl Rove, then the president's top political advisor, took notes. Once back at the White House, he turned the matter over to Marine Gen. Peter Pace, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

A few days later, Krissoff got a call from Lt. Cmdr. Ken Hopkins, a Navy nurse now on medical recruiting duty. With a push from the top, Krissoff's enlistment application began to speed through the process of interviews and background checks.

"Suddenly, I got all the support I needed from the bureaucracy to get this done," Hopkins said.

On Nov. 17, Krissoff, now 61, was commissioned a lieutenant commander in the Navy reserves, assigned to the medical corps. Rove sent flowers and a note of congratulations.

Because of the need for doctors and other health professionals, the military offers reserve commissions to qualified applicants.

It is not uncommon, Hopkins said, for civilian doctors at the top of the profession to look to the military for a new challenge. The commitment is light: a weekend a month and two weeks every summer.

But if a reservist wants to do more, the Navy is more than willing to put him or her on active duty at a base, a military hospital or a combat zone.

Several weeks of training in military-style medicine lie ahead, but Krissoff believes he is on his way to honoring his late son, 1st Lt. Nathan Krissoff, by deploying to a field hospital in Iraq.

He is closing up his orthopedic medicine practice in Truckee. He and his wife are moving to San Diego to be close to the Marine Corps 4th Medical Battalion.

They also will be near their other son, Austin, 24, a Marine officer at Camp Pendleton.

"I'm just a doctor who wants to help Marines; I'm not trying to change the world," Krissoff said in a telephone interview. "I'm inspired by both my sons' dedication to service."

Nathan Krissoff, 25, an intelligence officer with the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion, was killed Dec. 9, 2006, by a roadside bomb while riding in a Humvee outside Fallouja, west of Baghdad.

Hundreds of Marines, soldiers and sailors attended a memorial service for him in the auditorium at Camp Fallouja.

Even by the mournful standards of such events, the memorial was emotional. Marines hugged one another, and many had tears in their eyes. Officers and enlisted personnel eulogized Krissoff, a graduate of Williams College, as a natural leader, charismatic but humble.

Lt. Col. William Seely, the battalion commander, said the young officer had shown "great courage and steadfast dedication" against "oppression, tyranny and extremism."

Sgt. Maj. Kenneth Pickering barked out the "Final Roll Call," calling Krissoff's name three times. With no response, a lone bugler played taps.

The difference between practicing medicine in Truckee and tending the wounded in Iraq is lost on no one involved in the enlistment. Krissoff will get refresher training in trauma medicine.

"Operating in a well-lighted surgical theater with air-conditioning is different than operating in a tent in a field," said Hopkins, who served in Iraq during the assault on Baghdad in 2003.

Krissoff concedes a kind of role-reversal is at play. "Usually it's the father who tries to lead the sons by example," he said. "In this case, my sons led me." And what would his son Nathan think of his desire to enlist and deploy to a war zone?

"He'd just say, 'Way to go, Pops,' " said Krissoff, a slight quaver edging into his voice.

http://articles.lati...ocal/me-doctor1

Very interesting. This is something I was unaware of.
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