DE Recruiting

[McLoofus 35,182]

PS- In case it wasn't clear, or or , etc...

As IronMan said, spot on.

And here I had all these snarky comments prepared and you had to go and play nice. WHATEVER!

I was going to suggest McLoofus run for President. Sounded like he had pretty good judgment.

Ooh, ooh, now you guys fight!

Nah, Mikey and I don't fight. He's ornery, but he's a good guy.

And quite the historian of the program. I was pretty bummed when I realized that he actually knows what he's talking about.

[AUbritt 611]

PS- In case it wasn't clear, or or , etc...

As IronMan said, spot on.

And here I had all these snarky comments prepared and you had to go and play nice. WHATEVER!

I was going to suggest McLoofus run for President. Sounded like he had pretty good judgment.

Ooh, ooh, now you guys fight!

Nah, Mikey and I don't fight. He's ornery, but he's a good guy.

And quite the historian of the program. I was pretty bummed when I realized that he actually knows what he's talking about.

Not sure I'd go quite that far. I'm willing to say that we all realize the fact that it's Mikey when he's doing the talking.

Just teasing, Mikey.

[LKEEL75 2,566]

How many NFL, SEC, or ACC teams have two or more pass rush "specialists" on their team? Sabans weakness, according to experts, was a lack of a speed rush guy in 2011 and 2012. My point is, with Lawson on the field, the other DE is a lot better pass rusher, and this discussion is not happening. We've got what we got, at this point, and it's about what everbody else has if Carl doesn't go down, the best I can tell.

I dunno. Seems like we've had overlap as far as I can remember- Carl + Dee, Dee + Corey, Corey + Antoine, Antoine + Antonio, Antonio + Quentin, Quentin + Stanley...

(As for the NFL, they have 53-man rosters, so that's a little different.)

And further more, according to other "experts" on here Lawson is gone after next year and freshmen don't make an impact so seems to me that we need freshmen in next year so they are ready when Lawson leaves. So it definitely makes me wonder why after 2 years we are not in better communications with DL prospects when other schools don't seem to need that much time (ie: as already mentioned UT)? I am by no means suggesting the firing of anyone. I do believe this is one of the best coaching staffs in all of college football. But just because you are the best (or one of) doesn't mean you don't have short comings or faults.

[ValleyTiger 2,894]

Are we even recruiting Beckner as a DE?

I don't think "recruiting as" means anything. Once they sign and get here, or to any other major college, they are placed where they can best help their team, which normally means that's the position where they will best help themselves too. :-\

A cynic would say that sounds a lot like "tell 'em what they want to hear and after they're signed put 'em where you need 'em." He'd be correct.

Yeah, Mikey, the point was that Beckner is more like Daniels in that he's a future DT therefore he more than likely isn't going to be an the solution to the pass rush if he's used at DE.

I know I didn't say all that, but there was scuttlebutt that the coaches were "recruiting" him as a DT anyways.

[Mikey 16,565]

Anyways, for now it's lookin' like we all better hope Lawson makes a full recovery and Thornton and Kennion put on 25 pounds of muscle each and keep their speed. So far it's only been one-half of a season with no pass rush and I've already seen enough.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Anyways, for now it's lookin' like we all better hope Lawson makes a full recovery and Thornton and Kennion put on 25 pounds of muscle each and keep their speed. So far it's only been one-half of a season with no pass rush and I've already seen enough.

Yup.

[AUbritt 611]

Anyways, for now it's lookin' like we all better hope Lawson makes a full recovery and Thornton and Kennion put on 25 pounds of muscle each and keep their speed. So far it's only been one-half of a season with no pass rush and I've already seen enough.

Yup.

Agreed.

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

Anyways, for now it's lookin' like we all better hope Lawson makes a full recovery and Thornton and Kennion put on 25 pounds of muscle each and keep their speed. So far it's only been one-half of a season with no pass rush and I've already seen enough.

Yup.

Agreed.

Uh huh.

[au75 75]

You're right

[mcgufcm 4,096]

Kennion didn't look small this year. He got hurt. It happens. I think he'd be playing if healthy.

[Mikey 16,565]

Kennion didn't look small this year. He got hurt. It happens. I think he'd be playing if healthy.

Sure he would be playing, out of necessity. Thornton had to have some sort of surgery or he'd be playing for the same reason. Harrell and Lawson too. This clearly demonstrates why no team can afford to count noses at a given position, assume all will work out fine and none will get injured thus decide to ignore that position for a year. As you said, "It happens".

Right now we have four DE's down, but three of them have yet to prove they can contribute. Somebody needs to be out there lookin' for some talent at DE.

[AuburnNTexas 7,134]

We will be better at DE next year then many think. One disruptive DE Lawson makes others better just because of teams needing to double that guy. Others played better last year with Dee Ford there. What we will have next year is:

DaVonte Lambert Junior - Big kid might look better with Lawson needing to be double teamed.

Elijah Daniel Sophmore - more experience and a lot of talent I expect him to blossom next year and maybe this year

Keymiya Harrell Junior - Minimal impact

Justin Thornton Freshman - Healthy and a year to get bigger and stronger

Gimel President Sophmore - shown some skills stopping the run will never be an elite Pass rusher

Raashed Kennion Freshman - healthy and a year to get bigger and stronger

Andrew Williams Freshman - healthy and a year to get bigger and stronger

Carl Lawson Sophmore - Nothing needs to be said we all think he will be great

I agree we want a couple of solid guys every year at DE, one not all will pan out and it takes some a year or two to grow and fit into SEC defense. We got three last year but because of being freshman and being hurt we didn't see if they will be SEC DE's but odds are at least 1 of the three and possibly 2 or all three will pan out. so next year we will be better at DE just with Lawson coming back healthy and hungry. If we can get a good to great DE this year take him but don't settle then 2016 becomes a super important year to get DE's.

Adams is becoming a force at DT so next year we will have two disruptive forces in D-Line at same time with Lawson's return. If Teams have to double Adams and Lawson then we have 4 players on D locking up 6 players on O as TE will have to help on Lawson. One key player can elevate a whole team on D.

[ellitor 33,078]

Elijah Daniel Sophmore - more experience and a lot of talent I expect him to blossom next year and maybe this year

Much more likely to be a DT than DE going foward starting next year.

[mcgufcm 4,096]

Much, much more likely.

Mikey, I don't know that Thornton or Harrell would be out there regardless. Kennion got some praise in fall practice, and he was getting reps. He looks like a long pass-rush guy. I don't think it's unfair to expect three redshirt freshmen to contribute. I think it would be less fair to expect us to gin up a true freshman that's going to make any difference next year. Probably not going to happen. That's my mindset. The current recruiting class will likely have very little impact for the product on the field next year... that's especially true along the lines.

If you told me our starting DL next year was Lawson/Adams/Daniel/Lambert going left to right, I'd tell you that pass rush isn't going to be an issue. Different year. Different personnel.

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Seems like this staff goes after more top offensive guys and not so much on defense.

[Mikey 16,565]

Much, much more likely.

Mikey, I don't know that Thornton or Harrell would be out there regardless. Kennion got some praise in fall practice, and he was getting reps. He looks like a long pass-rush guy. I don't think it's unfair to expect three redshirt freshmen to contribute. I think it would be less fair to expect us to gin up a true freshman that's going to make any difference next year. Probably not going to happen. That's my mindset. The current recruiting class will likely have very little impact for the product on the field next year... that's especially true along the lines.

If you told me our starting DL next year was Lawson/Adams/Daniel/Lambert going left to right, I'd tell you that pass rush isn't going to be an issue. Different year. Different personnel.

I think you are proving my point. Instant help is unlikely to come from signees so no major team can afford to take a year off at any position, regardless of how many appear to be coming back.

Now, with Kennion, Lawson and Harrell out and the miseries at pass rusher, I'm pretty sure Thornton would be getting his chance were he not also laid up.

[lala 327]

Agreed, have to get a couple DL, DE's and LB's ever year. Occasionally you'll get a Lawson who can play in yr 1, but keep the cupboard full of options. This yr we had 1 injury and that has resulted into big issues with our D. Thinking after next, we have Thorton, Harrell and Kennion to fill one side with Lambert on the other. Got to be thinking years ahead plus competition makes them better

[aujeff11 6,243]

Agreed, have to get a couple DL, DE's and LB's ever year. Occasionally you'll get a Lawson who can play in yr 1, but keep the cupboard full of options. This yr we had 1 injury and that has resulted into big issues with our D. Thinking after next, we have Thorton, Harrell and Kennion to fill one side with Lambert on the other. Got to be thinking years ahead plus competition makes them better

Plus, Andrew Williams should be competing for a role as well.

[C'viewTiger 242]

Are we even recruiting Beckner as a DE?

I don't think "recruiting as" means anything. Once they sign and get here, or to any other major college, they are placed where they can best help their team, which normally means that's the position where they will best help themselves too.

A cynic would say that sounds a lot like "tell 'em what they want to hear and after they're signed put 'em where you need 'em." He'd be correct.

I know this happens all the time, but it does seem like CGM does at least give the kid a chance to play the position he was recruited/wanted to if the promise was made during the recruiting process.

Honestly, I think this is all any kid could ask for. If they don't make it in that position give 100% where you can help the team and try to make it to the next level there. jmo

[aufootball1 42]

This kills me, but Auburn is loosing big on DL recruiting.. as of right know, we will be lucky to sign (2) DL's in February.

I don't know the cause of this, but our recruiters have got to do better on defense recruiting.

On the other hand, offense recruiting is on FIRE!

[ellitor 33,078]

This kills me, but Auburn is loosing big on DL recruiting.. as of right know, we will be lucky to sign (2) DL's in February.

I don't know the cause of this, but our recruiters have got to do better on defense recruiting.

On the other hand, offense recruiting is on FIRE!

We'll get 3 to 5 on the DL in February. Now if they are the caliber DLs you want is an entirely different question.

[aufootball1 42]

3 maybe, 4 or 5? Right now as #Auburn stands, that's a huge step out.

But if we could pull signing T.Thompson or Payne, that could be a HUGE 3.. War Eagle!

[1TexasTiger 55]

Can we please step back from the ledge just a bit. We signed all these guys last year not to mention the class of Lawson, Adams, and Daniel plus the year before.

DE Raashed Kennion

DL DaVonte Lambert

DT Dontavious Russell

DT Devaroe Lawrence

DE Justin Thorton

DL Andrew Williams

Recruiting has ups and downs and this also is a light year year DLineman. Most of the top guys aren't really interested in AU.

It will be OK.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Can we please step back from the ledge just a bit. We signed all these guys last year not to mention the class of Lawson, Adams, and Daniel plus the year before.

DE Raashed Kennion

DL DaVonte Lambert

DT Dontavious Russell

DT Devaroe Lawrence

DE Justin Thorton

DL Andrew Williams

Recruiting has ups and downs and this also is a light year year DLineman. Most of the top guys aren't really interested in AU.

It will be OK.

I feel so much better

[Mikey 16,565]

So, at DE next year we'll have untested players in Kennion, Andrew Williams and Thornton plus Lawson coming back from a knee injury. Add to that that "Most of the top guys aren't really interested in AU." and it's time to relax?

You should have added my favorite: "we'll be fine", as that seems to be the standard statement when things don't look good in any given area.