Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Military pilots are complaining. Good for them. It's time our guys started to question their incompetent CIC. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/us-military-pilots-complain-hands-tied-in-frustrating-fight-against-isis/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 A spokesman for the U.S. Air Force’s Central Command pushed back: “We refute the idea that close air support strikes take 'an hour on average'. Depending on the how complex the target environment is, a strike could take place in less than 10 minutes or it could take much longer. "As our leaders have said, this is a long-term fight, and we will not alienate civilians, the Iraqi government or our coalition partners by striking targets indiscriminately." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'll go with the pilots every time. Spokesmen are paid to spew BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 As for the F-18 Pilot, there's this: http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/career/personnelconductandseparations/Pages/OfficerResignations.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,796 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'll go with the pilots every time. Spokesmen are paid to spew BS. This is a complex operation. We're not just taking on a country we are at war with. Strikes need to be strategic, not indiscriminate at the discretion of whatever individual is flying an aircraft at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,121 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's refuted. Guess that settles it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Military pilots are complaining. Good for them. It's time our guys started to question their incompetent CIC. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/us-military-pilots-complain-hands-tied-in-frustrating-fight-against-isis/ We don't have forward air controllers on the ground locating targets and ISIS like all effective terrorist groups hides in civilian population areas like the terrorists do in Gaza. Shock and awe has turned into Shock and yawn. http://www.npr.org/2014/10/14/356177222/judging-effectiveness-of-airstrikes-against-isis-remains-challenging http://internationalterrorismstudyproject.com/2014/10/14/isis-adapts-to-us-airpower-shock-and-yawn-misses-the-mark/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I am not a military expert, but I didn't know it was the pilot's job to define the rules of engagement, assign targets, or question lawful orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Tiger_88 417 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. More than likely it is a Public Affairs Officer and not an Aviator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Tiger_88 417 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I am not a military expert, but I didn't know it was the pilot's job to define the rules of engagement, assign targets, or question lawful orders. It isn't but with the current ROE it makes the job of fighting the enemy that much more difficult, especially when you are the one with the eyes on the enemy and those that are making the decisions or allowing the attack are either in quatar or back in Tampa or DC. They have the targets in sight but aren't allowed to drop their ordnance. Aviators are trained not to just drop on anything....they are trained professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,560 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Military pilots are complaining. Good for them. It's time our guys started to question their incompetent CIC. http://www.foxnews.c...t-against-isis/ Careful there PT. You're talking about Navy boys' hero. He don't like people criticizing him like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,464 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Military pilots are complaining. Good for them. It's time our guys started to question their incompetent CIC. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/us-military-pilots-complain-hands-tied-in-frustrating-fight-against-isis/ How dare we give a damn about innocent civilians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Tiger_88 417 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Ok here is a question for this board: How many of you have every flown a combat mission? Some of you on here think that the way these are going down are the way things should be...there has been a tightening down on the ROE so it is near impossible to take out what has been clearly ISIL targets and not innocent civilians. The request process has gotten out of hand due to politics. If you really want to ensure that no one is hurt by us then pull out. You will have to put boots on the ground to drive them out if that is the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,464 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The enemy choosing to demonically use innocent people as human shields does not give us, who claim to be the good guys, absolution from the moral imperative to avoid civilian casualties. War doesn't mean "all bets are off" and that we can cast off restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. You have no idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,560 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. You have no idea what you are talking about. Has it been extensive or not, AUUSN? I get a new email just about every day from DOD on another replacement at the highest levels of every service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The enemy choosing to demonically use innocent people as human shields does not give us, who claim to be the good guys, absolution from the moral imperative to avoid civilian casualties. War doesn't mean "all bets are off" and that we can cast off restraint. No but, sometimes, it's unavoidable. We could defeat these people in very short order and save a lot of innocent lives in the process if we'd take the handcuffs off.afraid of killing even one innocent person in going after the bad guys. Think of all the innocent Christians and others they have killed because we are They know we will do anything to avoid even one civilian casualty and that's why they use them as human shields. We've had to kill some innocent civilians before in past wars in going after the enemy to save more of them and our own troops too. If you aren't willing to risk even one civilian getting killed then you will never fight any war anywhere at any time. Might as well disarm and forget having a military. In war sometimes decisions like that have to be made. It's not a thing to be celebrated but still sometimes it has to be done. Wars are messy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. You have no idea what you are talking about. How the hell they ever let an idiot like you in the Navy I'll never know. Go back and play with your Obama doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. You have no idea what you are talking about. Has it been extensive or not, AUUSN? I get a new email just about every day from DOD on another replacement at the highest levels of every service. Start listing names of these supposed purged Officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The "Spokesperson" is probably a pilot as well who works in the CAOC. The general officers in charge will not risk their careers going against the administration's party line. Perhaps that is the real problem. We no longer have leaders with the courage necessary to accept the consequences of exercising their conscience. Perhaps we have too many bureaucrat Generals and not enough fighting Generals? BOOM! Everyone needs to do some research on the massive turnover of brass within the highest ranks over the last 4 years. It will make you go....hmmmmmmmm Well the military brass, at the highest levels has been purged of anyone who won't kiss Obamas butt. The ones that remain are either full supporters or more concerned about their own career than doing the right thing by the men and women in their command. You have no idea what you are talking about. How the hell they ever let an idiot like you in the Navy I'll never know. Go back and play with your Obama doll. You still have no idea what you are talking about. Every day, every, single, day you come here and spout nonsense. I really pity you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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