Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Obama doesn't seem to have a clue let alone a strategy in dealing with all the ME problems. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/06/as-russia-ramps-up-presence-in-syria-experts-make-parallels-to-ukraine-crisis/?intcmp=hpbt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Obama doesn't seem to have a clue let alone a strategy in dealing with all the ME problems. http://www.foxnews.c...s/?intcmp=hpbt1 Hell he doesn't ! " Not my problem ! " is his motto. I've started living like that myself. Screw everyone else, I'm out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japantiger 4,051 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Duh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 734 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm not a big fan of his foreign policy, but letting someone else pour blood and treasure over there for a change isn't the worst thing he's ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonc 466 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I am still trying to understand the rationale of comparing Ukraine to Syria. I would love for Russia to claim Syria. We could just sit back and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonc 466 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Your points on strategy may be right, I just don't know. However, sitting back could be a strategy. I guess what I am saying is, you make the comparison about WWII and you imply you want us to get involved? How does that make things better? I'm ok if we are not the first ones in for once. If Russia wants to get involved, have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The difference between Syria and Ukraine? Russia claims Ukraine by force every 100 years or so and then lets it go free for few years, then takes it back for another hundred years. No such history with Syria, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,829 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I am still trying to understand the rationale of comparing Ukraine to Syria. :dunno:/> I would love for Russia to claim Syria. We could just sit back and watch. Yes, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Obama doesn't seem to have a clue let alone a strategy in dealing with all the ME problems. http://www.foxnews.c...s/?intcmp=hpbt1 All the better reason to keep out of it, don't you think? Or are you looking for a POTUS with a plan to jump in and "solve" it? :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,598 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. Yep! Wash our hands of it and let the middle east hate Russia for awhile. I say go get em Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Your points on strategy may be right, I just don't know. However, sitting back could be a strategy. I guess what I am saying is, you make the comparison about WWII and you imply you want us to get involved? How does that make things better? I'm ok if we are not the first ones in for once. If Russia wants to get involved, have at it. There is an old saying that history repeats it's self. You need to read the history of what happened because we let the Russians go into Berlin first. One key result is called....The Cold War. Maybe it's my old military background but IMHO sitting back is NEVER a good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Obama has a foreign policy. It's to destroy the reputation of the United States. Drawing red lines and then not following up is a prime example. If you're not going to do anything then don't say you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Obama has a foreign policy. It's to destroy the reputation of the United States. Drawing red lines and then not following up is a prime example. If you're not going to do anything then don't say you are. I agree. That was a rookie mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NC1406 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Your points on strategy may be right, I just don't know. However, sitting back could be a strategy. I guess what I am saying is, you make the comparison about WWII and you imply you want us to get involved? How does that make things better? I'm ok if we are not the first ones in for once. If Russia wants to get involved, have at it. There is an old saying that history repeats it's self. You need to read the history of what happened because we let the Russians go into Berlin first. One key result is called....The Cold War. Maybe it's my old military background but IMHO sitting back is NEVER a good strategy. I fully support our military but IMO it is time for us to refrain from using them as nation builders. This process has not worked with either party leading the charge. If we must fight, send in our best and let them do their job with full support. We should be prepared for some bad press in the short term but if our troops are really needed then history will sort out if we were on the wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Your points on strategy may be right, I just don't know. However, sitting back could be a strategy. I guess what I am saying is, you make the comparison about WWII and you imply you want us to get involved? How does that make things better? I'm ok if we are not the first ones in for once. If Russia wants to get involved, have at it. There is an old saying that history repeats it's self. You need to read the history of what happened because we let the Russians go into Berlin first. One key result is called....The Cold War. Maybe it's my old military background but IMHO sitting back is NEVER a good strategy. I fully support our military but IMO it is time for us to refrain from using them as nation builders. This process has not worked with either party leading the charge. If we must fight, send in our best and let them do their job with full support. We should be prepared for some bad press in the short term but if our troops are really needed then history will sort out if we were on the wrong side. yYep even this Dem. Senator says we have no strategy for Syria. http://www.lifezette.com/referral/senator-us-doesnt-have-policy-for-syria/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 We have no strategy for anything in the world. Well we do actually. Its called surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonc 466 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Why do some of you sound like you want us more involved in Syria? Have we not learned from Iraq and Afghanistan? Fighting Assad means helping Al Qaeda. While I would like to help the humanitarian crisis that has now ensued, I think we need to stay off the ground, and frankly I think we are already doing too much in Syria. This won't end well no matter which way it goes, and I would prefer to stay out of it. The problem is Obama has not had any meaningful strategy in the ME. It seems to change by the day. Do something.......pull out as you suggest or stay and do something. Afghanistan is a classic example. Obama was going to pull all troops out. Now he is being told that would be a huge mistake. Iraq is now inviting the Russians to come in and help them fight ISIS. Obama's tenure has been a tortuous pathe of changing policies and direction. Can you even summarize what his ME strategy is? It just seems to me that we are doing the same thing Truman and Eisenhower did after Germany was defeated......not standing up to the Russians. And we all know how that worked out. Your points on strategy may be right, I just don't know. However, sitting back could be a strategy. I guess what I am saying is, you make the comparison about WWII and you imply you want us to get involved? How does that make things better? I'm ok if we are not the first ones in for once. If Russia wants to get involved, have at it. There is an old saying that history repeats it's self. You need to read the history of what happened because we let the Russians go into Berlin first. One key result is called....The Cold War. Maybe it's my old military background but IMHO sitting back is NEVER a good strategy. Why not? Why should we get involved? What's at risk at this point other than more American lives and another instable place in a region we can't possibly fix. Not sure I see an upside to jumping in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,598 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Obama has a foreign policy. It's to destroy the reputation of the United States. Drawing red lines and then not following up is a prime example. If you're not going to do anything then don't say you are. I agree. That was a rookie mistake. More like J.V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Obama has a foreign policy. It's to destroy the reputation of the United States. Drawing red lines and then not following up is a prime example. If you're not going to do anything then don't say you are. I agree. That was a rookie mistake. More like J.V. It's clear you are a "morning" person. (I'm not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,598 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Obama has a foreign policy. It's to destroy the reputation of the United States. Drawing red lines and then not following up is a prime example. If you're not going to do anything then don't say you are. I agree. That was a rookie mistake. More like J.V. It's clear you are a "morning" person. (I'm not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telling tiger 156 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Gee, who would have imagined this could've happened? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/world/middleeast/russian-missiles-aimed-at-syria-crashed-in-iran-us-officials-say.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Gee, who would have imagined this could've happened? http://www.nytimes.c...s-say.html?_r=0 Maybe the same people who could imagine this? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/asia/obama-apologizes-for-bombing-of-afghanistan-hospital.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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