2016 Tx Tech GT QB Davis Webb (Flip to Cal 5/18/16)

[Mikey 16,545]

CGM will never admit that he is a 100% DT QB coach. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we are even recruiting a pro-style QB. Not to say we won't recruit one at some point though.

As he very well shouldn't. He's had too much success with drop-back passers to lie and say he's strictly a DT guy.

[thaitopher 807]

Check out @Kevin_Gemmell's Tweet:

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287]

Check out @Kevin_Gemmell's Tweet:

Colorado coach Mike MacIntyre says he speaks with Davis @Davis_Webb7 almost every day and has all the confidence he'll come to Colorado.

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

IF it is true that Gus is moving to try to get Jenkins while not offering Webb then that would mean Gus is acknowledging that he is a DT QB coach only and a DT QB coach that must rely on a transfer DT QB to be successful (and striking out with JF3). IF Gus is still pursuing Webb and Jenkins after signing JF3 then that indicates that Gus is really using the shotgun approach to try to find a ready-to-play QB after failing to develop JJ and SW.

wde

Are you even serious right now?

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

While I get the lack of faith in Marshall's intel, I don't get where you see a flaw in my logic if what he's saying is, in fact, true. If we have no interest in Webb, who is arguably the best available QB out there and has proven he's better, right now, than any QB on our roster, but we do have interest in Jenkins who is both going to be a challenge to get, because of his personal issues, and not a proven commodity in the big leagues, that immediately tells me that:

1. Gus is not confident with our ability to run the zone-read with our current QBs, but wants to bad enough to put in the work it's going to take to land Eli, who is a zone-read specialist.

2. Gus is confident enough with our drop back passers to not pursue anyone in that area, in case we don't land Eli (or do and he doesn't work out) and we need to run a more play-action offense.

I don't see any other logic to put to it. It's not like Jenkins is some lights out QB that is worth all of the effort to have on board no matter what, and it's not like Sean, and potentially Queen are busts (contrary to what some uninformed people are spreading).

And, no AUIH1... this is not Gus saying that he is a dual-threat only coach or that he needs a transfer QB. That line of thought is getting boring.

[AUIH1 1,515]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

IF it is true that Gus is moving to try to get Jenkins while not offering Webb then that would mean Gus is acknowledging that he is a DT QB coach only and a DT QB coach that must rely on a transfer DT QB to be successful (and striking out with JF3). IF Gus is still pursuing Webb and Jenkins after signing JF3 then that indicates that Gus is really using the shotgun approach to try to find a ready-to-play QB after failing to develop JJ and SW.

wde

Are you even serious right now?

Yes. Obviously you disagree. Please give your opinion. Thanks.

[AUIH1 1,515]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

While I get the lack of faith in Marshall's intel, I don't get where you see a flaw in my logic if what he's saying is, in fact, true. If we have no interest in Webb, who is arguably the best available QB out there and has proven he's better, right now, than any QB on our roster, but we do have interest in Jenkins who is both going to be a challenge to get, because of his personal issues, and not a proven commodity in the big leagues, that immediately tells me that:

1. Gus is not confident with our ability to run the zone-read with our current QBs, but wants to bad enough to put in the work it's going to take to land Eli, who is a zone-read specialist.

2. Gus is confident enough with our drop back passers to not pursue anyone in that area, in case we don't land Eli (or do and he doesn't work out) and we need to run a more play-action offense.

I don't see any other logic to put to it. It's not like Jenkins is some lights out QB that is worth all of the effort to have on board no matter what, and it's not like Sean, and potentially Queen are busts (contrary to what some uninformed people are spreading).

And, no AUIH1... this is not Gus saying that he is a dual-threat only coach or that he needs a transfer QB. That line of thought is getting boring.

What is it then? Is it, in your opinion, Gus still trying to build depth? FWIW, I didn't start "that line of thought", but rumors are trending in that direction. Of course, we will ultimately know for certain based on who is signed as a graduate transfer or a HS recruit at QB going forward.

wde

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

IF it is true that Gus is moving to try to get Jenkins while not offering Webb then that would mean Gus is acknowledging that he is a DT QB coach only and a DT QB coach that must rely on a transfer DT QB to be successful (and striking out with JF3). IF Gus is still pursuing Webb and Jenkins after signing JF3 then that indicates that Gus is really using the shotgun approach to try to find a ready-to-play QB after failing to develop JJ and SW.

wde

Are you even serious right now?

Yes. Obviously you disagree. Please give your opinion. Thanks.

My opinion- last year showed Gus what it means to have as much potential QB talent on the roster as possible. Has little to nothing to do with scheme, as Gus can mold an O to any QB and be good at it.

If SW goes down, JJ is a scary back up and JF3 maybe doesn't have the every down capability that Gus would like to have in a back up. TQ can't stay healthy and a tFr QB is scary as well.

I don't like to peg Gus as a read option DT guy. It's just not true.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

While I get the lack of faith in Marshall's intel, I don't get where you see a flaw in my logic if what he's saying is, in fact, true. If we have no interest in Webb, who is arguably the best available QB out there and has proven he's better, right now, than any QB on our roster, but we do have interest in Jenkins who is both going to be a challenge to get, because of his personal issues, and not a proven commodity in the big leagues, that immediately tells me that:

1. Gus is not confident with our ability to run the zone-read with our current QBs, but wants to bad enough to put in the work it's going to take to land Eli, who is a zone-read specialist.

2. Gus is confident enough with our drop back passers to not pursue anyone in that area, in case we don't land Eli (or do and he doesn't work out) and we need to run a more play-action offense.

I don't see any other logic to put to it. It's not like Jenkins is some lights out QB that is worth all of the effort to have on board no matter what, and it's not like Sean, and potentially Queen are busts (contrary to what some uninformed people are spreading).

And, no AUIH1... this is not Gus saying that he is a dual-threat only coach or that he needs a transfer QB. That line of thought is getting boring.

What is it then? Is it, in your opinion, Gus still trying to build depth? FWIW, I didn't start "that line of thought", but rumors are trending in that direction. Of course, we will ultimately know for certain based on who is signed as a graduate transfer or a HS recruit at QB going forward.

wde

Honestly, if Gus is pushing for the zone-read this year, my best guess is that he is afraid the new crop of receivers won't be game ready by the time we need them, to make Sean successful. The one thing we know we have no shortage of is good running backs, so the zone-read is one player away from being a high percentage offence. Right now, play action is several receivers and probably a tight end away from click on all cylinders. Only the coaches know if we have those pieces and they might not even really know until Fall practice.

The other option I can think of, though more damning, is that he doesn't have a solution for the red zone without the zone-read. I hope that is not the case.

As for depth, if I was Gus and I was even considering making zone-read a priority, depth would also be a concern, since we only have 1 zone-read QB and based on reports, he's only about 1 and a quarter threat.

And, yes, I know you didn't start the rumor... I think Willieguns might get that dishonor, but you perpetuate it as much or more than anyone else. It's just not true and even the most elementary look into Gus's history makes that abundantly clear.

[AUIH1 1,515]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

While I get the lack of faith in Marshall's intel, I don't get where you see a flaw in my logic if what he's saying is, in fact, true. If we have no interest in Webb, who is arguably the best available QB out there and has proven he's better, right now, than any QB on our roster, but we do have interest in Jenkins who is both going to be a challenge to get, because of his personal issues, and not a proven commodity in the big leagues, that immediately tells me that:

1. Gus is not confident with our ability to run the zone-read with our current QBs, but wants to bad enough to put in the work it's going to take to land Eli, who is a zone-read specialist.

2. Gus is confident enough with our drop back passers to not pursue anyone in that area, in case we don't land Eli (or do and he doesn't work out) and we need to run a more play-action offense.

I don't see any other logic to put to it. It's not like Jenkins is some lights out QB that is worth all of the effort to have on board no matter what, and it's not like Sean, and potentially Queen are busts (contrary to what some uninformed people are spreading).

And, no AUIH1... this is not Gus saying that he is a dual-threat only coach or that he needs a transfer QB. That line of thought is getting boring.

What is it then? Is it, in your opinion, Gus still trying to build depth? FWIW, I didn't start "that line of thought", but rumors are trending in that direction. Of course, we will ultimately know for certain based on who is signed as a graduate transfer or a HS recruit at QB going forward.

wde

Honestly, if Gus is pushing for the zone-read this year, my best guess is that he is afraid the new crop of receivers won't be game ready by the time we need them, to make Sean successful. The one thing we know we have no shortage of is good running backs, so the zone-read is one player away from being a high percentage offence. Right now, play action is several receivers and probably a tight end away from click on all cylinders. Only the coaches know if we have those pieces and they might not even really know until Fall practice.

The other option I can think of, though more damning, is that he doesn't have a solution for the red zone without the zone-read. I hope that is not the case.

As for depth, if I was Gus and I was even considering making zone-read a priority, depth would also be a concern, since we only have 1 zone-read QB and based on reports, he's only about 1 and a quarter threat.

And, yes, I know you didn't start the rumor... I think Willieguns might get that dishonor, but you perpetuate it as much or more than anyone else. It's just not true and even the most elementary look into Gus's history makes that abundantly clear.

I have only "perpetuated it" very recently (like within the last 5 days and only in a couple of posts) when posts from others have indicated that Gus was not going to offer Webb while really pursuing Jenkins. The most elementary look into Gus' history is to look at Tulsa in 2008 and Chris Todd in 2009 and believe that those years are evidence of Gus being a drop back passing type of coach or more specifically, use Chris Todd in 2009 as evidence that Gus is willing or good at using a drop back passer in his O scheme. 2009 was 7 years ago and Gus literally had no other options.

wde

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287]

Ummmm it will take more than Philip Marshall for me to believe all of that, and the fact that they are now moving to try to get Jenkins makes me think the opposite of that actually

Agree

While I get the lack of faith in Marshall's intel, I don't get where you see a flaw in my logic if what he's saying is, in fact, true. If we have no interest in Webb, who is arguably the best available QB out there and has proven he's better, right now, than any QB on our roster, but we do have interest in Jenkins who is both going to be a challenge to get, because of his personal issues, and not a proven commodity in the big leagues, that immediately tells me that:

1. Gus is not confident with our ability to run the zone-read with our current QBs, but wants to bad enough to put in the work it's going to take to land Eli, who is a zone-read specialist.

2. Gus is confident enough with our drop back passers to not pursue anyone in that area, in case we don't land Eli (or do and he doesn't work out) and we need to run a more play-action offense.

I don't see any other logic to put to it. It's not like Jenkins is some lights out QB that is worth all of the effort to have on board no matter what, and it's not like Sean, and potentially Queen are busts (contrary to what some uninformed people are spreading).

And, no AUIH1... this is not Gus saying that he is a dual-threat only coach or that he needs a transfer QB. That line of thought is getting boring.

What is it then? Is it, in your opinion, Gus still trying to build depth? FWIW, I didn't start "that line of thought", but rumors are trending in that direction. Of course, we will ultimately know for certain based on who is signed as a graduate transfer or a HS recruit at QB going forward.

wde

Honestly, if Gus is pushing for the zone-read this year, my best guess is that he is afraid the new crop of receivers won't be game ready by the time we need them, to make Sean successful. The one thing we know we have no shortage of is good running backs, so the zone-read is one player away from being a high percentage offence. Right now, play action is several receivers and probably a tight end away from click on all cylinders. Only the coaches know if we have those pieces and they might not even really know until Fall practice.

The other option I can think of, though more damning, is that he doesn't have a solution for the red zone without the zone-read. I hope that is not the case.

As for depth, if I was Gus and I was even considering making zone-read a priority, depth would also be a concern, since we only have 1 zone-read QB and based on reports, he's only about 1 and a quarter threat.

And, yes, I know you didn't start the rumor... I think Willieguns might get that dishonor, but you perpetuate it as much or more than anyone else. It's just not true and even the most elementary look into Gus's history makes that abundantly clear.

I have only "perpetuated it" very recently (like within the last 5 days and only in a couple of posts) when posts from others have indicated that Gus was not going to offer Webb while really pursuing Jenkins. The most elementary look into Gus' history is to look at Tulsa in 2008 and Chris Todd in 2009 and believe that those years are evidence of Gus being a drop back passing type of coach or more specifically, use Chris Todd in 2009 as evidence that Gus is willing or good at using a drop back passer in his O scheme. 2009 was 7 years ago and Gus literally had no other options.

wde

To that argument I give you:

===Pass vs. run balance===

*2006 [[2006 Arkansas Razorbacks football team|Arkansas]]: 302 vs. 546 (64% run)

*2007 [[2007 Tulsa Golden Hurricane football team|Tulsa]]: 564 vs. 562 (50%)

*2008 [[2008 Tulsa Golden Hurricane football team|Tulsa]]: 432 vs. 674 (61% run)

*2009 [[2009 Auburn Tigers football team|Auburn]]: 364 vs. 550 (61% run)

*2010 [[2010 Auburn Tigers football team|Auburn]]: 296 vs. 652 (69% run)

*2011 [[2011 Auburn Tigers football team|Auburn]]: 292 vs. 536 (65% run)

*2012 [[2012 Arkansas State Red Wolves football team|Arkansas State]]: 411 vs. 540 (57% run)

*2013 [[2013 Auburn Tigers football team|Auburn]]: 285 vs. 729 (72% run)

He will mold his offense to his team strengths. Lately his teams have had a running threat. Look at Aplin, Johnson, the 2011 debaucle and Todd to see what he could do if SW were his QB for a year.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

I have only "perpetuated it" very recently (like within the last 5 days and only in a couple of posts) when posts from others have indicated that Gus was not going to offer Webb while really pursuing Jenkins. The most elementary look into Gus' history is to look at Tulsa in 2008 and Chris Todd in 2009 and believe that those years are evidence of Gus being a drop back passing type of coach or more specifically, use Chris Todd in 2009 as evidence that Gus is willing or good at using a drop back passer in his O scheme. 2009 was 7 years ago and Gus literally had no other options.

wde

Gus isn't a drop back passing type coach either. Gus is a take the best QB you have and build an offense, with a lot of misdirection, around them type coach. Gus's focus isn't what the QB does as much as what everyone else is doing. The #1 key to his offense is being able to run multiple plays out of the same look, so the D doesn't know what's coming. He also likes to use tendencies against the defense. He knows they look for A to indicate B, so he gives them A, but then does C. Then, as soon as they figure out he's giving them C, he gives them B. Finally, he concentrates on speed in order to wear down bigger, stronger lines and catch the D out of position. All of this can be accomplished whether you QB runs or not.

Does he like the read option... yes he does. Why? Because it's misdirection.

Does he like play action... yup... he likes that too. Why? Because it's misdirection.

The wrap around hand-off, fake bubble, fake hand-off, pump fake, the throw back to the Tight-end, and numerous other tricks Gus has used over the years have proven to be just as effective as the zone-read... if he has a good passer and good receivers.

The one advantage that a running QB gives him is that, if everything breaks down, a good one might gain a few yards or maybe even make something big out of nothing, while the passer will probably just throw the ball away, unless he has a receiver with a knack for getting open.

[PoetTiger 1,896]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

[WarDamnEagleWDE 12,737]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

Yes.

[augolf1716 21,094]

Find out soon enough

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

The discussion was all based on official (or as official as Phillip Marshall can be) reports that we aren't interested in Webb, even if he wants to come and that we are very interested in Eli.

[cole256 17,039]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

You think he wants winners that can execute....good stuff...

[FoundationEagle 637]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

You think he wants winners that can execute....good stuff...

Cherry pick and leave out the next part of whether it's a dt QB or a traditional...even better stuff lmao.

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

You think he wants winners that can execute....good stuff...

Cherry pick and leave out the next part of whether it's a dt QB or a traditional...even better stuff lmao.

B*tch and moan about how all Cole does on the boards is argue... Instigates new argument... With Cole. Good stuff lmao.

[FoundationEagle 637]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

You think he wants winners that can execute....good stuff...

Cherry pick and leave out the next part of whether it's a dt QB or a traditional...even better stuff lmao.

B*tch and moan about how all Cole does on the boards is argue... Instigates new argument... With Cole. Good stuff lmao.

I haven't said anything about cole in a long time. Put words in my mouth while doing the same exact thing you just accused me of. Fan freaking tastic stuff. Lmao.

[cole256 17,039]

Sweet baby you guys know you can take off with a topic.....maybe Gus just did not like Webb or maybe Webb preferred Colorado. Not sure how this turned into a preferred Gus QB debate. I think he wants winners who can execute his offensive plan. Whether it's a DT QB or a Traditonal QB. Right now the guys he has are just a bit shaky on the execution side. Besides does this Eli Jenkins rumor have any legs...is he really an option?

You think he wants winners that can execute....good stuff...

Cherry pick and leave out the next part of whether it's a dt QB or a traditional...even better stuff lmao.

B*tch and moan about how all Cole does on the boards is argue... Instigates new argument... With Cole. Good stuff lmao.

You see the set up lol. Then when I reply it's a problem lol. Meanwhile he's in every argument about a qb himself. Seems it's less about arguing and more about agreeing with him or not, as far as what the problem is, but that's just my opinion

[War Knight 514]

Well,if nothing else this was a good read

[augolf1716 21,094]

Damn straight.......

[Maverick.AU 13,279]

Headed to Cal

[PoetTiger 1,896]

Headed to Cal

Saw that...also Kiper him as his top rated senior QB ..