Cruz: I'm a Christian first, American Second

[aujeff11 6,243]

After Cruz declared on the campaign trail that he is a "Christian first, and an American second," a writer from Patheos gave a couple good points on his rather disturbing declaration.

First, the article asks what would the response be if a Muslim made this declaration about his religion? Christian Privilege?

And then to finish off the article, he concludes that Cruz is more fit to lead a Christian church than to lead a nation if the former holds his loyalty. What say you?

And Raptor, please read the article for once. Even if it requires clicking a link.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/01/ted-cruz-preaches-theocracy-im-a-christian-first-american-second/

[AU_Tiger_88 417]

I say he is a typical politician and will say anything that polls well and thinks it will get him votes...much like the rest of them running for office...

[aujeff11 6,243]

I say he is a typical politician and will say anything that polls well and thinks it will get him votes...much like the rest of them running for office...

That may get him a nomination. It will be used against him later on though.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

I was waiting for Ted to have an altar call last night. His touch can drive the liberal demons from anyone. His power is grounded in his principles. He is ready to be God's sword and, smite socialism, ISIL, and big government.

[homersapien 11,357]

After Cruz declared on the campaign trail that he is a "Christian first, and an American second," a writer from Patheos gave a couple good points on his rather disturbing declaration.

First, the article asks what would the response be if a Muslim made this declaration about his religion? Christian Privilege?

And then to finish off the article, he concludes that Cruz is more fit to lead a Christian church than to lead a nation if the former holds his loyalty. What say you?

And Raptor, please read the article for once. Even if it requires clicking a link.

http://www.patheos.c...merican-second/

He don't need to read anything. He already knows what it says. Regardless, it won't affect his opinion - which is founded on his omnipotence.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

"He don't need to read anything. He already knows what it says. Regardless, it won't affect his opinion - which is founded on his omnipotence. "

It is a divine gift from heaven, bestowed through the power of radio and RUSH.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

I don't particularly like Cruz for various reasons. But that said, I am also a Christian first and an American second. In fact, that is how it should be for any serious Christian. Put another way, you sometimes here people say that the order of importance of things in their life are God first, family second, country third. This is not a startling revelation or anything new to the American political scene.

[aujeff11 6,243]

I don't particularly like Cruz for various reasons. But that said, I am also a Christian first and an American second. In fact, that is how it should be for any serious Christian. Put another way, you sometimes here people say that the order of importance of things in their life are God first, family second, country third. This is not a startling revelation or anything new to the American political scene.

]To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

[AURaptor 1,122]

Why should I bother reading the article? I would think that George Washington would say pretty much the same thing, so why is it such an issue Even if I, a nonbeliever, I can get over Ted's religion, why can't you?

I think he is quite simply the best man suited for the job. At least, the best man running at this time.

[cooltigger21 0]

Nothing disturbing at all about that. If you are a Christian, or any other faith for that matter, your faith comes first before your family or anything else. It is is the old saying God, family, country.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

[cooltigger21 0]

Jeff, here is the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christianity is a religion and nothing else. Islam is a religious belief but it is also a political belief. The religion and the state are all part of the same set of beliefs.

[Grumps 3,704]

Pretty lame article. I don't understand why people cannot understand that being a Christian does not mean that that one wants the government to require everyone to become a Christian. It is easily possible to govern with Christian values and still keep a separation of church and state. Also, a Muslim can say the same thing. He/she would not get elected, but he/she can still say it.

[Mims44 1,867]

If given the choice, I'd rather have a guy that claims he is an American first and a believer of any faith second.

And no it wouldn't be the same if he was muslim... this is a vastly christian population. Even those that don't hate muslims are still more comfortable with the normal religious beliefs of their area.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

If given the choice, I'd rather have a guy that claims he is an American first and a believer of any faith second.

And no it wouldn't be the same if he was muslim... this is a vastly christian population. Even those that don't hate muslims are still more comfortable with the normal religious beliefs of their area.

My thoughts exactly. If you are going to be the president of the country then you should be an American first.

Course I think it is just a PR stunt cause it hits home for all the Obama is a Muslim people. It is like those Shelby commercials.... not gonna tell you what I will or want to do, or how I will help you or the State of AL but by God I'm fighting Obama everyday!!!

[homersapien 11,357]

Why should I bother reading the article? I would think that George Washington would say pretty much the same thing, so why is it such an issue Even if I, a nonbeliever, I can get over Ted's religion, why can't you?

I think he is quite simply the best man suited for the job. At least, the best man running at this time.

Why indeed! :roflol:

[homersapien 11,357]

Jeff, here is the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christianity is a religion and nothing else. Islam is a religious belief but it is also a political belief. The religion and the state are all part of the same set of beliefs.

That was touchingly ironic.

[DKW 86 7,419]

I don't particularly like Cruz for various reasons. But that said, I am also a Christian first and an American second. In fact, that is how it should be for any serious Christian. Put another way, you sometimes here people say that the order of importance of things in their life are God first, family second, country third. This is not a startling revelation or anything new to the American political scene.

DITTO.

[DKW 86 7,419]

Course I think it is just a PR stunt cause it hits home for all the Obama is a Muslim people. It is like those Shelby commercials.... not gonna tell you what I will or want to do, or how I will help you or the State of AL but by God I'm fighting Obama everyday!!!

Shelby must be very very afraid of something this year.

[JoeBags7277 734]

No fan of Cruz, but I have no problem with this. Faith (for those who have it), family, and community should all take precedence over which side of a political boundary you were born on.

[aujeff11 6,243]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/ted-cruz-scares-the-me-th_b_9138720.html

This Huff post article suggested it. I have to wonder about Cruz as our president because there may or may not be some secular (American) values that he won't agree with. If so, will he try and impose his own personal religious beliefs on the others? Dominionists certainly feel like it is their responsibility to do so.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

Pretty lame article. I don't understand why people cannot understand that being a Christian does not mean that that one wants the government to require everyone to become a Christian. It is easily possible to govern with Christian values and still keep a separation of church and state. Also, a Muslim can say the same thing. He/she would not get elected, but he/she can still say it.

Not to mention, it's not as if some secular leader wouldn't be seeking to impose his or her moral values on the country in various ways. Virtually every law on the books is merely codifying the moral and ethical views of some on everyone else.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

[alexava 6,973]

Does this mean he will not work on Sunday.

[DKW 86 7,419]

To my original first point, do you think a Muslim could get away with saying that? I mean we already ask them to jump through hoops as it is just to show they are innocent.

Probably not. Probably couldn't get away with saying that "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God" as John F. Kennedy did either. Then again, Muslims are dealing with a violent segment of their people that doesn't have a real parallel with other religions. I'm not saying it's right, just saying why it is.

Also, isn't his dad a dominionist?

No idea.

Even if it is commonplace for Christians to believe God first, county second, I think it is really stupid that he said that while running for president.

How is Cruz any different than former Pres. Jimmy Carter in being open about his beliefs and priorities?

He is EVILE because he isnt a member of one particular party...