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  1. I was willing to give a couple years to prove it, he did Saturday. The timeline has shifted for me. Jake is right though, both can be true at the same time. Unfortunately, many only realize the 2nd part without recognizing that the first had a huge impact on the 2nd
    35 points
  2. 31 points
  3. And that's how it should be. The instant and intense hatred for CBH after his announcement was strange. Too many got their lenses muddied in February and couldn't find their way back from the loud and unfounded rumors. Many just doubled down on their hypocritical disdain in an attempt to save face. Those that were willing to show patience were criticized regularly. I do believe though that the majority of those lost their patience this last Saturday too. I did. It was wholly embarrassing and we need to now pivot.
    27 points
  4. I can’t stand Jake Crane. He insists upon himself. But he hit the nail on the head with this one. Harsin is and has never been good enough to do this job. And the signs have alwayyyyys been there. Always. This isn’t a surprise to those of us who have been paying attention.
    23 points
  5. Agreed. As a volunteer for the university, we should appreciate that he freely gives his time and does his best! Now, if he were making, like, 5 million a year to put a quality product on the field, it would be a different story. Anyone making that kind of money damn well better be held accountable. Oh Wait....
    20 points
  6. Appreciate it. No spiking the ball here. I was consistent going back to last year that I wanted to be wrong. Honestly, this was a trifecta of bad hires and we just have to move on. my wishes for the fan base are: A) understand that the bot, the boosters, etc are not out to ruin football. They want to win. They didn’t set out to ruin the guy’s reputation this summer…it was from a genuine disturbance and documented grievance within the program. B)understand that the media is gonna say whatever they want. Last week it was how bad we were to let go of the AD. This summer it was how dare we don’t give this guy a chance. We can sit and debate who we can get and who’s available, (that’s gaslighting at its finest btw) but no Auburn person could see that on Saturday and think we are more hopeful going forward. Bruce Pearl is the epitome of what we want and deserve in our football program, and we should go after that—even if we fail— wholeheartedly. war Eagle always!
    20 points
  7. We have overwhelming data that suggest that by a coach’s second recruiting cycle, he should be making some headway. Harsin is not. With the transfer portal, we have evidence of similar coaches in year two upgrading their roster in key places. Harsin has not. When Bruce Pearl took over an awful roster, he said that they were “my guys.” He didn’t pen blame on the previous regime. I honestly don’t understand how any Auburn fan could watch that today and think we are headed in the right direction. But you do you.
    19 points
  8. If you decide to call out your line to step up their game, you do it to their face in the locker room, not on social media.
    18 points
  9. Can you provide any evidence that Harsin has done anything to start.the process you speak of? And Harsin was doing nothing to help get a leg up in recruiting before the PTB did their thing. Not attending key events, visiting recruits we had a reasonable shot at, etc. There are programs in the SEC that were dumpster fires of a program (namely Arkansas, Tennessee, and to an extent Ole Miss) and their coaches in fairly short order have turned them into competent, competitive programs.. I’ve seen nothing out of Harsin to suggest he’s doing the same here.
    18 points
  10. Coach Harsin doesn't owe us an explanation for anything. The witch hunt has started and people will look for anything reason to complain. Stop the bellyaching and see what happens.
    16 points
  11. Not the type of leadership you want from QB1. A few hours earlier TJ was fine to play according to CBH. It makes you wonder...
    16 points
  12. This is how I remember it, timing wise. Some hated Harsin from the start, some defended him until Saturday. But many of us got excited about Harsin in the beginning, then when he lost the last 5 games, wasn't recruiting well, hired an OC that lasted 10 days, and Mason left, it felt like a program in chaos. It wasn't any one thing, it was the combination. And that was before all the rumors and investigation.
    16 points
  13. I thought this needed a thread. Kudos to Tank for being a great teammate and leader during rough times for the team and program.
    15 points
  14. I've always thought Marshall was a bit of an aging clown but he sums it up nicely here ... this, more than anything is why Harsin was never going to work at Auburn. His way ... turns out, is not better than the 'bunch of potatoes' at Auburn who don't know anything. It was all so obvious a year ago. It's inevitable now. It was something of an experiment to begin with, hiring the Boise State coach. It was Jay Gogue’s and Allen Greene’s experiment, and they are gone. It hasn’t worked. The results on the field started downhill the second half of last season and are still going downhill at increasing speed. He has taken a different approach to recruiting than any SEC program of which I am aware, and it hasn’t worked. He hired coordinators with SEC experience and then went back to his comfort zone after one season. Against Penn State, Auburn gave up five rushing touchdowns, a sobering fact that flies in the face of Harsin’s talk of toughness. It has nine turnovers in three games and has not forced even one. The team we saw against Penn State looked a lot like the one that struggled against San Jose State. To be successful, the coach at Auburn needs to be – must be – as relentless on the recruiting trail as the rivals to the east and to the west. Every word Kirby Smart or Nick Saban utter is with recruiting in mind. Saban doesn’t need the money he gets for doing TV commercials, but he does it for recruiting. You can’t watch a football game without seeing Saban. A successful coach must be able to surround himself with coaches who are also relentless recruiters and can teach the game. He needs to sell his vision to those who support the program. The one absolute in SEC football is you cannot win without difference-makers. You just can’t. You might find a way to win a game here and there, but players are who win championships. Auburn has some of those, but not nearly enough. And don’t be deceived: Difference-makers are recruited far more often than they are developed. The Harsin watch will overwhelm everything else surrounding Auburn football until something concrete happens. That is too bad for the young men who give so much to put on those blue jerseys. But it’s reality. LINK (Non-Premium Content)
    15 points
  15. Ran into an old acquaintance today at a business luncheon in Bham and got some very interesting information that confirms my theory on the power structure within the program. This individual was a top 5 “supporter” of the program in the 90s. He is no longer on that level today but he knows everyone inside the power grab. Some of you who may have some connections or network at Auburn may can connect some dots. First, I think we all can agree Auburn has made some head scratching hires the last 15+ years but it was not because some big names were not interested. At least 3 elite top 10 coaches reached out during the last three hirings and expressed their interest in the opening. All three had the same concern of the rumored power struggle outside the locker room. The names I heard would shock some here, unfortunately for the program they were all told there was a set way Auburn did things and that system was not going to change anytime soon. Obviously, all passed on the opening. One of which was a active NFL coach at the time, played for a title and would have been a recruiting giant. Fast forward to this week. Auburn was contacted after the game Saturday and informed two very prominent coaches had an interest if they were looking to make any changes. One is active today as a head coach and one has been a head coach and currently weighing his options. Either one of these would immediately put us back in the conversation and solve our recruiting struggles. Both expressed they would only be interested if they garnered exclusive decisions making for the program and were guaranteed 5+ years. Of course there is no opening today and no formal search committee but there is big time interest from some home run hires already at week 4. I was told, if Auburn looks to make a change this year, we will know buy the next hire if the leadership has finally decided to break the system and go a different direction or if the good ole boy network stayed in place and they select another middle tier coach with some potential or limited success and extra baggage to come on board. I guess we will see how things play out.
    15 points
  16. This is exactly how I feel ..minus the freeze thing(although I could get on board). People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn. No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn. His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed. Yes, I wanted CBH to be the next Saban and take us to the CFP promise land. Yes, I still think his vision is what we need at Auburn. However, just like Gus, who I supported until he proved himself, I believe CBH is now more detrimental to Auburn than what he can do for Auburn. The deck was severely stacked against him, but he hasn't figured out how to play with it and therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.
    15 points
  17. 14 points
  18. LOL. Imagine had Harsin had to have dealt with Tennessee's mess, like Heupel did. This guy inherited a capable SEC QB (Nix), a star RB (Tank), and a good defense. Tennessee lost nearly half their roster to the portal and all of their best players left; on top of the fact that they were much worse than Auburn to begin with. I'm tired of hearing how Harsin apparently walked into a no-win situation. He created or exasperated all of his problems himself and didn't fix any of the problems that he inherited. Any coach who is brought in to replace someone who was fired is going to need to fix SOMETHING, so even suggesting that Harsin was limited because he inherited a poor OL is lame as s***. With massive resources, he doubled down on hiring his buddy-coaches from the MWC - and they all look hopelessly inept. I don't think it's a given at all that he will be successful elsewhere. So far we've seen that he's capable of winning at a pre-built program where everything was left well oiled and tidy for him, and he already knew everything that needed to be known because his entire resume was spent coaching at that school. Where else is he going to get that same picture-perfect scenario? He's failed miserably at Auburn in a rebuild type scenario and he'll need to do that at 99% of the places that he'll need to go next. Good luck to him, maybe he's learned something here that will help him. Unfortunately for him, his comments and continual mentions about "the coup" suggest that he's probably just going to leave AU under the premise that he did nothing wrong and he just got treated unfairly here.
    14 points
  19. The beginning of the end is when the team unravels from the inside out
    13 points
  20. Just want to bring up how many of you were the guys laughing when myself and others were pointing out how he needed to try to talk and understand the players. You laughed and said we were losing the players that were too soft and weak....I literally said it won't be funny when it's time to look at recruiting
    13 points
  21. Wow!!!! Voicing what many of the fans think. I was prepared to fire him last year, but was fully behind our team. Now, I don’t think I can back this coach. I’ll wait to see what happens and I will still support the team. Always. But wow.
    13 points
  22. They just wanted it more than we did. The loss, that is.
    12 points
  23. Again, What's best for Auburn is for CBH to be ultra successful. If he finds a way to turn this season and recruiting around, then that's freaking awesome! That means AUBURN is winning and has found some semblance of stability. Will it happen? I believe last Saturday showed it won't...BUT I SURE HOPE TO HELL HE DOES! Auburn's success should be all that matters. Adjust feathers, straightens neck, stands tall...ok, ready to have my words twisted. Y'all may now proceed...
    12 points
  24. Doesn't really matter with this OL
    12 points
  25. I’d like to respectfully ask you to not down any of our recruits by name. We don’t know what they are capable of becoming with good quality coaching, which we are in desperate need of.
    11 points
  26. 1. Killer Mustache 2. Shrek like physical build. 3. Must have been a previous Oline coach for Auburn.
    11 points
  27. I came down from PA for the game. My wife bought tickets for some PSU cousins nearby, and they report Auburn as their “favorite SEC experience so far,” having visited Tuscaloosa, Athens, and Knoxville, plus Clemson. Saw this on Twitter too. Also ran into Hall’s and Brahms’ parents, who were extremely nice. Always good to remember what makes Auburn Auburn.
    11 points
  28. I don’t understand some of you guys. “Who in their right mind” would want to coach at Auburn? I don’t know. Somebody who likes millions of dollars? Someone who wants the resources of a top 15 program at their disposal? Someone who wants to be in the thick of the country’s most fertile recruiting ground? Someone who wants to compete at the highest level at a place that has proven it can reach the pinnacles of the sport? Y’all are just intentionally over dramatic. Auburn is a *GREAT* job. But, oh wait. There’s a chance you might get fired for poor performance? Yeah - what a totally unique Auburn problem.
    11 points
  29. I am actually excited about Ashford and Holden. Those two are the future and if we are going down, let's go down with those two.
    10 points
  30. Not true. Hire the right guy and we can be relevant much quicker than 4 years based on current college football landscape
    10 points
  31. Sad and petty, thanks for reinforcing your reputation. You're right though. I did support both hires...and moved on once they proved themselves. Why? Because that's what would've been best for Auburn. You, however, haven't supported either of them at a single point in either tenure. From either's announcement you've spewed your vitriol all over the place for anyone to listen. Pushing rumors, fanning flames, and tearing them down every chance you had. You should be really proud of being right, though! I had hope they both would be successful and lead Auburn into the future. How silly of me to want what's best for Auburn, right? You, on the other hand, have proven extensively that Auburn comes in 2nd behind your desire to be told you're right. So you were right about Green and Harsin. That said, never supporting Green or Harsin, championing every misstep, and never giving them a chance is well, Sad and petty. Again, congratulations! Like I said, 100% the fan that Auburn doesn't need. Also FTR, I'd rather support and be hopeful and be proven wrong 1000 times than never support and happen to be right.
    10 points
  32. IMO, Stoops' program building process is a bit slow for what we need.
    10 points
  33. He’s not wrong, but read the room dude. You never blame others for your shortcomings. It’s a team sport. Maybe the OL should retweet about TJ missing wide open receivers.
    10 points
  34. I am super excited about that, but also I fear for his life.
    10 points
  35. If you know what you're doing, you can win big at Auburn. If we get the right coach, watch out. This whole poor pitiful Harsin was treated unfairly stuff is nonsense - dude makes $5M/yr, will leave with 3X that and made our program worse since the day he stepped on campus. Bye.
    10 points
  36. This is some self defeatist, ho-hum attitude if I’ve ever seen it.
    10 points
  37. That game was an abomination and he shouldn’t be the coach one more day.
    9 points
  38. This is really trippy though. I put my phone down and the forum was all like this I literally put my phone down for 10 seconds and return to this
    9 points
  39. Say what you will, but many of Mr. Finley's points were spot on. The rotation of QB's is a detriment to the flow of the offense, and the play calling has been atrocious. There are ways to slow down the pass rush with slants, shallow crossing routes, screens, and draws. We have done almost none of that. I was really big on Harsin at the beginning, mainly because he wasn't Gus, as Gus had made Auburn football where it was just not enjoyable for me anymore. Harsin talked a good game, and I expected to have a fundamentally sound, and innovative offensive football team. That's obviously not the case, and the experiment needs to come to an abrupt end as soon as possible. There has been much talk, and speculation on who we would like to see replace him. I have opinions like everybody else, but one thing I can say is if Hugh Freeze had a kid like Landen King on his roster you better know where he is on the field if you're coaching defense against him in the RedZone. I'll leave it at that.
    9 points
  40. How's our offensive line? His scheme His roster management His inability to evolve His pigeonholing players His lack of discipline His lack of accountability His paranoia His inability to beat UGA, LSU, UA consistently His inability to win on the road His inability to win a bowl game There are a few more but you get the picture
    9 points
  41. The bad news for Harsin is the support he’s lost from others like me who had taken a position of ‘give him resources and time.’ Unfortunately for him he has neither. So it’s difficult to not move on, now, and get with the business of salvaging the program before it’s dead.
    9 points
  42. Put Will Friend in at QB, so he can experience trying to quarterback without a line. 🙄
    9 points
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