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  1. All I know is that 275,000 people have died since January in the US of COVID. Only about 7200 or so of them were fully vaccinated. That's actually about 38 times as many. The CDC is saying 11.3x which is likely adjusted down for Delta being basically the only strain out there. I know during the height of the Delta surge in Alabama, ADPH was reporting that something like 90-95% of the deaths in the state during that period were unvaccinated people. Now, I'm not up on the new math or anything, but I'm pretty sure that that's a significant difference any way you slice it. And I'm betti
  2. Honestly, I don't have time for this. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. @AUDub or someone with perhaps more patience and a better way of communicating than I do, can you please take a whack at getting through to this guy?
  3. Let us try this again: 7200 deaths from COVID of people who were fully vaccinated: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/health/coronavirus-vaccine-powell-breakthrough.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html 275,000 deaths from COVID since Jan 31, 2021: This number: https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/06/us-covid-19-deaths-for-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/ Minus this number: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-covid-deaths-in-january.html Even on
  4. Your numbers are wrong. I don't know whether you're uncritically pulling numbers from VAERS, which would be idiotic, or from somewhere else and just mistyping them, but they're way off. I've already given you links to the correct ones. There have only been about 7200 deaths of people from COVID who were fully vaccinated. Furthermore, no where near 5,000,000 vaccinated people have experienced breakthrough infections. Through April the CDC only had about 11,000 breakthrough cases. They started focusing on hospitalizations and deaths after that, but even if you assume with the Delta v
  5. I know how to parse the data. It's you that seems to be struggling with it. I don't know whether you came up with this conclusion on your own or got it from somewhere else, but you're making a bad comparison because you aren't factoring in how less likely you are to even get COVID in the first place. It's like this: Let's say we take two groups of 10000 people, put them in an area and go hunt and fire bullets at each of them. One group has a shield that can stop bullets but has some holes in it or is of limited size (it doesn't protect your head to toe). The other is completely u
  6. First, I'll get one thing out of the way right up front. You were right about the relative difference in the age of Alabama's and Vermont's population. Vermont is slightly older but not enough to make a drastic difference in the numbers. And I'll also concede it's not a straight line to compare two states, especially with vastly different population sizes and areas of the country. That said, the rest of your post(s) on this subject are a master class in either misunderstanding data and lacking the requisite tools to properly interpret it, or rank dishonesty in parsing the data.
  7. Tell me you don't understand what a false dilemma is without telling me you don't understand false dilemmas. Of course we don't outlaw cars. We regulate their use. Just like we aren't outlawing living without a vaccine during a pandemic. We are - in a far more limited way than even our laws regarding motor vehicles - regulating what one can do or places one can go if not vaccinated. Of course there's a tangible benefit to driving cars. But there's tangible harm in allowing it to go completely unregulated. I'm thinking your question is worded wrong here.
  8. I haven't forgotten about this. Just had a busy afternoon/evening and am going through some numbers.
  9. Gender fluid is cutesy new terminology to say, "We're just making this s*** up by the second now."
  10. It has a bearing when you're making comparisons like you did - for instance calling into question whether it's accurate to say you're far less likely to die from COVID if you're vaccinated. For instance, in September Vermont had 33 total deaths from COVID. Alabama had around 1600 COVID deaths in September. But wait - Alabama is a lot larger in population than Vermont you say? And you'd be right. Alabama has around 4.9 million to Vermont's 624,000 population. That's about 7.9 times the population. So if the death rates were comparable you'd expect to see around 260 deaths in Alabama
  11. They are far more vaccinated than almost any other state in the union. 67% fully vaccinated (compared to about 40% for Alabama for instance) and 88% have received at least one dose. And that doesn't even get into how much higher a percentage of Vermont's population is older compared to others. You're looking at one month of data and extrapolating completely unwarranted conclusions from it. But given your past arguments on the matter, it's completely par for the course.
  12. What it actually tells us is that you don't know s*** about how to read or understand statistics. Let's walk through the basics again. If Vermont were 100% vaccinated, even if they had just one COVID death last month, it would mean 100% of the COVID deaths were vaccinated people. What it would NOT tell you is that the stats on how less likely one is to die from COVID are somehow off. Quit while you're behind. It's not that I don't like what they show. It's that they don't show what you're trying to act like they do.
  13. Yeah, but what they are seeing in Vermont is completely reasonable. It would be like saying "88% of people currently infected with COVID in Vermont are white" and using that as some insinuation that it tells us anything about the vulnerability of white people to the virus compared to others. But then you look and see that Vermont is 92.5% white and realize that stat tells you nothing.
  14. Because these decisions are always trying to strike a balance between carrot and stick - between "personal freedom" and responsibility and public safety. A lot of people die in car accidents each year - both those who drive them and those who are merely collateral damage like pedestrians, bicyclists, etc. We could - following the logic of your fantasy hypothetical - simply outlaw cars. That would cut down on tens of thousands of deaths and millions of injuries each year. But that's probably not the best balance of risk, freedom, and safety. So we make laws governing the use of motor vehic
  15. If alcohol, cigarettes, or lack of sunscreen ever start filling up our ICU beds all at once or somehow their effects become infectious diseases that easily spread to us all, maybe we can talk about it. One can have a general stance of letting people make poor health choices but recognize that certain situations (like a pandemic) mean that you can have a stronger, more preventative and interventionist response. This is part of the problem I have with political ideologies - sometimes they prevent people from just making the wisest decisions about the problem they are facing in the moment.
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