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  1. Praying - for his general health - and - specifically for his pain to abate, for his rest, for his, you and your families strength and for the Lord to provide His strength and love and for our community and family to surround you with our love and care.
  2. I was trying to highlight the language used. I certainly didn’t want anything offensive. I removed the post.
  3. Finally a thought with some justification. + one cookie for Brad. An argument can be made for risk and future medical compensation. Perhaps offer insurance for loss of ability like the pros. This though falls into the "benefit" category not the sales of likeness and name. Good argument. Everyone - Got to step away - dang job - y'all don't hurt anybody while I'm out. Don't anybody get offended if I don't reply - feel free to call me abusive names. Brad appreciate the level tone of your ideas.
  4. I'm trying to breakdown the "Everybody getting money" For the student Besides tuition, books, tutors, room and board - other benefits include: Health Insurance / Auburn provides a supplemental policy to augment your primary insurance (approx 12k / year, lower for age, higher for risk - we handle deductible and co pay Stipend 5586 (Applies to football only) We have on staff doctor, training facilities, meal plans for athletes We pay for catastrophic injury that occurs in an event (200K+ for gym knees, an acl with rehab 35-50K, etc...) travel expenses, uniforms and other equipment, etc. Getting/Taking Money At Auburn who is not athlete: Coaches: Bazillions (market value) Auburn Students: 9.6 Million went back to the general budget, works out to about 355 dollars per student in offset costs Recruiting: $2.2 million Team travel: $5.7 million Sports equipment: $5.4 million Game expenses: $3 million Fundraising, marketing promotion: $4.3 million Spirit groups: $509,826 Facilities debt service: $12.9 million Direct overhead and administrative expenses: $13.3 million Medical, insurance: $980,666 Membership, dues: $189,617 Student-athlete meals: $1.5 million Other operating expenses: $9.5 million Bowl expenses: $2.3 million Broadcast networks (CBS, ESPN) All the fine folks over there from announcers to ground crew to office staff, logistics, etc. NCAA last year in retained earnings got wealthy at the tuned to 83 dollars and a few cents per athlete. I am absolutely certain in this entire chain I have missed or skipped people or entire groups "getting money" off the athletes back. I am also pretty sure, looking at the chain, 230K in compensation puts you in the upper tier of this bunch. Opinions? NCAA athletics is business these fine folks are on the payroll to make it function.
  5. I get it - I am of the crowd that thinks $234,000 in compensation including a cash stipend is my thought of "thought of the kid getting any money." Is the scholarship compensation package inadequate to purchase the likeness and name rights of the athlete? How much more is required? If typical management contracts are in place, Garth Brooks and Tom Cruise cannot go out and profit directly off their name and likeness. They sold it to their management companies for the compensation they receive. Same thing with movies - the studios own the rights to the name and likeness of the actors used for the scope of the movie.
  6. The information TigerHorn is referring came from me. And it is not false. It is explicitly stated in some scholarships where conflict of interest is a concern. I happen to have two of those scholarships with each of my children. That clause is very common in research scholarships where physical or intellectual product is produced. The scholarship and any associated stipend is considered compensation in the context of "work for hire." The inherent problem is you working for someone outside the university who may pay you and lay claim for your work under the same intellectual property and work for hire laws that the university has claimed. Obviously you had a scholarship that did not put at risk university rights, therefore you did not have this clause. All PhD clauses with stipends that I have seen have it. My older son had to get a waiver to from the university to be paid $100 for each of two text books he was asked to review for a publisher. It was very clearly stated that if he accepted payment for any work performed outside of his scholarship that his scholarship would be revoked and he would be at risk for being sued for damages and loss to the university. The clause was so important that both sons had to initial the section and sign a contract. Consider it the equivalent of a non-compete clause that is very common. As a genuine question, did your scholarship contract require you to notify the department of your outside job?
  7. Oh this jinx business. I couldn't watch the game live this past weekend and we won. That means.... oh man... I'm getting depressed.
  8. Hi DAG!! BTW we're 4-0. You can take the bag off your profile. Just sayin'
  9. Someone please pull the financial sheets and show me who is making billions. On the other hand, I think Bryan Bresee signature on a Auburn jersey might be worth 100K, I mean, as long as it's official, as in on the team. Hope Dabo doesn't get too upset. It's capitalism.
  10. First - drop the narrative that there are some getting rich from college sports. Who's getting rich? NCAA had enough retained earnings to pay each student athlete 83 dollars and change if they distributed 100% retained earnings last year. AUBURN: (One of the few profitable exceptions) Total Sports Related Revenues $105,951,256 Total Sports Related Expenses $96,315,836 Net $9,635,420 Most universities operate athletics at a net loss. 16 NBA teams operate at a net loss. Auburn is one of a few that operate at a profit. Well that is 2 of the 22 NCAA sanctioned sports at Auburn are profitable. The rest are a net loss. Only a few schools have a profit in athletics, the ones that do are putting it back into facilities (capital costs,) operational costs or the general budget. So anyone who is throwing around the idea that some magical pot of billions is laying around and these kids are getting any of it need to get off their unicorn and think. Several are advocating making money by monetizing their name and likeness. I see this as the only option and I don't like it. This money can only come from outside the traditional institutional cash flow - i.e. selling yourself in the open market. Now it's a bidding war. I see no other path. Hit me with your best argument or alternative. I take criticism well so fire away (actually I've reached an age were I really don't care about what other people think of me so you can't hurt my feelings - one of the few perks of growing old.) Also who are their "professional peers." I would say farm teams and minor leagues. So how does farm/minor compensation at 12-36K a year compare to a D1 athlete compensated at 200K+ a year. A lot of the farm/minor league players have to pay their own insurance, pay club fees, gym fees, equipment, etc. So I'm going straight to an real practical example and we'll see where we wind up. There are a bunch of Auburn #2 and #34 jerseys around and it's not because those numbers are any more special than the other 98 in 00 to 99. They have their value in the names of the individuals that wore them. Now who own's the royalty from those shirts? That's right in the shed of you namesake/likeness profiteers. I can take a white t-shirt and print a 2 or 34 on it. How many will I sell? Or same plain white shirts with Newton or Jackson on the back? Plain white shirt - "NEWTON." Some of you more entrepreneurial minded get yourself 100 white t-shirts and print Jackson on the back and sell them next weekend. Good luck. So when you put that name on an Auburn jersey there is some value. It's why the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB teams sell shirts and split the proceeds among the team. Ouch. So the only real reason to give an athlete money directly outside the in place compensation is to grease the gears. I see no good path here. The money, so to speak is in the 230K+ yr at Auburn. They can go pro right now - in the minors/farm. Even just the athletes living expenses are about the total a minor/farm player gets. Add all the other on top.
  11. Dag - Great question. I do want fairness but every approach I have thought of has failures. Percent of gate (like we would pay entertainers) shifts Auburn football proceeds out of other programs. Certain sports don't collect money that way (we'd be lucky to have 18-20 at our soccer match.) Smaller schools - well don't go there. More stipend? Maybe Funding that outside the institution? As soon as that path starts players get bought. The wealthy schools win. Read the University of Nike Funding managed by a national external group (not named NCAA!) I don't see it getting funded. I am open to ideas. I am still in the "they are compensated by scholarship" crowd until i see the light. I am open to ideas. (If I don't answer I'm stepping away - Be back later.) Thanks
  12. Pay them. OK. What is their open market value? Say they quit school and went pro tomorrow Sell yourself. How well does that name & likeness value stand up in the open market? Are they valued because of their name or their name associated with a particular team of which the institution owns ALL rights. If you took housing, meals and training programs alone, without the tuition, stipend, tutors, travel, equipment allowance, insurance ,... it stifles what the free market pays toward players in farm teams and minor leagues. Scholar athletes get compensated far more. See this post: Only 2% go pro and only a small percent of them will have significant "name" value. This is an extreme edge case. 98% get a heck of a deal. 22 NCAA sports @ Auburn with 530+ athletes. How many turn a profit to pay the player? Tennis? Golf? Soccer? Volleyball? NCAA can't pay them. If NCAA spent the entire retained earnings on the 460,000 athletes for 2018 it would come to $83 and some change. The schools would have to pay them; something I'm sure they'd love to do given the current (hostile and rightly so) environment over student debt. Keep in mind even in the pros 16 NBA teams operate at a net loss. NFL teams are profitable after the owner has invested billions in capital for infrastructure. I don't want to be a jerk to these players but the schools can't afford to onboard these costs. So we're left with selling yourself in the "open" market. How does that work? Just take cash for your name at the local mall? Also keep in mind that MOST scholarships for advanced degrees require the student to NOT receive money from any other source. In the same way, by contract recording artists and models cannot sell their name & likeness outside their contracts, as the companies holding their contract have compensated them for that privilege. This is not new ground, just new to amature athletics. JMHO EDIT: As a addenda, I really would like to know the amount these players are being shafted. Is there a figure out there or a driving cause? I really want to be fair and just. Who is the poster child for amature athletic financial abuse?
  13. Worked the numbers on page 6 - Already a goo discussion here - Both arguments presented well
  14. Yes, but are they signed?
  15. Hi Santa! I see you got my Christmas list. Thanks in advance