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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Only Trump would need for someone else to write a criticism of white supremacists.
  2. In marking the one-year anniversary of a white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville, the president again fails to differentiate between bigots and those who oppose them. (excerpts): When violence erupted during a white-nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, one year ago this weekend, President Trump was slow to respond. When he did, his response was shockingly diffident, condemning the “egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides.” The president was faster to comment on the anniversary of the march. Saturday morning, he tweeted: Donald J. Trump The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. We must come together as a nation. I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. Peace to ALL Americans! 9:26 AM - Aug 11, 2018 .....Trump’s tweet Saturday shows that his vision of what happened hasn’t gotten any clearer with the passage of a year. He’s still unable to name Nazis, white supremacists, and white nationalists for what they are, and unable to differentiate between those groups and those that oppose them. The condemnation of “all types of racism” is, on its face, a positive, but it can also be read as a coded reference to the idea that there is a anti-white racist movement seeking “genocide” of white people. White supremacists will certainly read it that way. By declining to name the aggressors, Trump places the ralliers on an even footing with those who came out to oppose them. “I am not putting anybody on a moral plane,” the president said a year ago, but once again he has done just that. Given his refusal to differentiate between the groups, his lament for social division rings false. It’s proper for there to be division between polite society and Nazis, white supremacists, and the like. Besides, the president has seldom passed up an opportunity to sow social division where it suits him. Just a day ago, he was once again railing at NFL players who have kneeled during the National Anthem to protest racial injustice, inserting himself into a feud that is not his concern in order to profit from racial tension. ......... Nazis and open white supremacists may not constitute a significant portion of the president’s base, but white voters who nurse racial resentments and anxieties are. As a result, Trump has an interest in soft-pedaling any criticism of the Nazis themselves, and of encouraging the racial resentments, concluding there’s more to be gained from doing so than there is to be by condemning white supremacists. The result is an American president who can’t bring himself to condemn Nazis as Nazis. To read the full piece, go to: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-cant-trump-just-condemn-nazis/567320/
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    I don't believe it. He's lying. Someone wrote this for him.
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    Omarosa probably needs to be prosecuted

    All the more reason for Trump not to have hired her. Trump desperately needed a few black faces to display and she sucked up to him. She'd still be there if it weren't for Kelly.
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Somehow, I find reading a prepared statement at a press conference a week later unpersuasive. I am sure his racists followers get the same message.
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Yes. Absolutely. That's exactly my point. Furthermore, "the logical extension of what you purport and inferences spawned therefrom" suggests you are inclined to do the same thing. "Black Supremacy" is not a feature of the BLM or any other civil rights movement, regardless of the statements of a given individual here or there. (Lewis Farrakan is a favorite 'go-to' for equivocators). In fact, most, if not all, black rights movements are promoting equality, not superiority. Nazis and White Supremacists are motivated by a completely different belief system they are quite clear about. Does Trump really believe that? I don't know, but it's clear he is willing to overlook or accept blatant racism if he thinks it benefits him politically. I am dismayed and a little shocked that so many on this forum are willing to do the same. I would have hoped we were all better than that by now.
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    Omarosa probably needs to be prosecuted

    Nah. Jon Lovette nailed it. Nobody but Trump would have hired her in the first place.
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    Omarosa probably needs to be prosecuted

    I did. She's coming out with a book.
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    And to my original point, Trump cannot single out White Supremacists as unacceptable because he doesn't want to upset his base.
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Well, the specific dichotomy we are facing here is Nazis/White Supremacists, vs. pretty much everyone else but white supremacists. Pointing out the inevitable outlier individuals among the opposition to argue a case of some sort of moral equivalency reveals a lack of understanding at best, or empathy with white supremacists at worst.
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    That's a gross over-generalization. Like I said, the "counter protestors" also include clergy and many others who aren't looking for a fight. If a bunch of white supremacists put on a demonstration in my town, I'd counter demonstrate to let them and everyone else know they don't represent my community. It's shameful that you and a few others are trying to draw this equivalency. Trump is clearly pandering to racial resentment by fostering the notion there are two equivalent sides to this. There's not. You should be ashamed of yourself. Will you buy into just anything Trump says?
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    It was white supremacists who organized to demonstrate their racist beliefs, not their opposition. To equate organized white supremacists to all of the people who oppose them - including many religious leaders - is what is insane. Trump is pandering to people who would equate the BLM movement to Nazis and white supremacists. Such as yourself.
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    Greater threat— Mueller or Putin?

    "Let me slide" ?
  14. homersapien

    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    So, do you have an explanation of why Trump can't bring himself to criticize white supremacists? Or are you one of those he's pandering to by not doing so?
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    Greater threat— Mueller or Putin?

    Is that meant to be some sort of threat?
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Are you representing Tex4?
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    Greater threat— Mueller or Putin?

    Brother Salty, are you finally moving toward revisionism, or is that a quote from someone else?
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    Not sure I get your point. Can you please try to simplify it?
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    Omarosa probably needs to be prosecuted

    I'm sure she's not the only one.
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    Omarosa probably needs to be prosecuted

    Kelly was firing her.
  21. homersapien

    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    ......Trump isn’t uncomfortable with dealing with controversy personally. My colleague Emily Stewart notes “he has criticized plenty of individuals and groups by name — including NFL players for peacefully protesting during the national anthem and NBA player LeBron James just in the last week alone.” To Trump, that seems like good politics. For some reason, he believed calling out the protesters would not be. If there was one thing this polarized country could actually agree on, it was that we crushed the Nazis and it was great. Now? Who knows. Regardless, his stance on Charlottesville didn’t measurably shift his base’s attitudes toward him. Trump has said again and again what he thinks. He’s had a year to change his mind. He hasn’t. If Trump wanted to indict the alt-right, he could. He just doesn’t want to. https://www.vox.com/2018/8/11/17679108/donald-trump-unite-the-right-nazis-white-suppremacy
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    Why Can’t Trump Just Condemn Nazis?

    This is just sad. I'll give you - and PT - the benefit of doubt and assume this response is the result of extreme cognitive dissonance instead of outright racism. (As if it makes a huge practical difference.)
  23. homersapien

    Obsessed

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/10/trump-vacation-bedminster-manafort-china-border-wall-773388?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f100-dd93-ad7f-f905c62a0000&nlid=630318 Report: Trump Repeatedly Talks About Ending Mueller Probe ........Trump’s mood has darkened during periods when the Russia story has dominated, according to close confidants. “Every day you wake up and it’s Manafort this, Manafort that. It’s crazy,” said one close adviser. “How do you get away from it?” Trump “can’t miss” the media coverage of the trial, his attorney Rudy Giuliani added in an interview with POLITICO. “The only thing he keeps reiterating is he thinks Manafort has been treated in an unfair way for a guy who’s alleged to have committed a white-collar crime,” he said. South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who golfed with Trump last weekend and had dinner with Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, told an event hosted by the Greenville County Republican Party and radio station WGTK that the president brought up ending the Mueller probe “about 20 times.” Graham added: “I told the president, ‘I know you don’t like it. I know you feel put upon. You just got to ride it out.'”......
  24. As measures come into effect, Europe says it has the law on its side. Senior European officials on Monday castigated U.S. President Donald Trump’s renewed sanctions on Tehran as “illegal” and in violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution, and they vowed to intensify efforts to thwart the U.S. measures and preserve the Iran nuclear accord. The effort to preserve the nuclear deal, led by the EU and by the three European architects of the accord — France, Germany and the U.K. — puts the United States in direct conflict with its largest and most powerful NATO allies. It represents the sharpest break between Washington and its European partners on foreign policy since Trump took office and began calling into question decades of diplomatic norms...... read the rest at: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-to-thwart-trump-on-iran-calling-u-s-sanctions-illegal/