homersapien 11,354 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 It might happen if someone has the money and time to travel and is sooooo motivated to think their one vote will be decisive-- voter ID might not change that much, though. So the burden is to prove rampant fraud before a logical policy can be enacted? There's NOTHING else in the world that allows for people to just assume you are who you say you are. Why the special exemption for this? Before you say it's racist or it disproportionately affects poor people, are you willing to say that forcing an ID for medical care or food stamps is racist? If not, why are they different? Still with the racist obsession. Who has claimed it is racist? It will affect poor whites as equally as poor blacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 It might happen if someone has the money and time to travel and is sooooo motivated to think their one vote will be decisive-- voter ID might not change that much, though. So the burden is to prove rampant fraud before a logical policy can be enacted? There's NOTHING else in the world that allows for people to just assume you are who you say you are. Why the special exemption for this? Before you say it's racist or it disproportionately affects poor people, are you willing to say that forcing an ID for medical care or food stamps is racist? If not, why are they different? Nobody has demonstrated the status quo is illogical. The burden logically rests on those seeking change. ID isn't necessary for emergency care, but the right to vote is more fundamental to the preservation of a free people. It is essential to representative government. Look at the actual agenda of politicians pushing this. It has next to nothing to do with fraud. Look at NC-- a state issued college ID is no longer acceptable as proof. Why not? Because college students more frequently vote Democratic. But a concealed carry permit is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouchyfish 67 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Will requiring ID for government benefits in the future depress the number poor people utilizing it? I just have a really hard time understanding how a government ID card will hinder voter turnout of the poor. (Unless they're forced to pay for it like a drivers license-now if THAT'S the case, scrap the idea.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 Still haven't seen any evidence of widespread fraud. Another imaginary problem for the deluded to get all worked up over. Awesome! So then you are okay with IDs being asked for to be able to vote. Glad that one of you guys is on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. Does requiring an ID for obtaining food stamps or prescription drugs depress participation in those programs by the poor? College IDs aren't state issued, they're issued by the university, and much easier faked than an actual state issued ID. And I dare you to find a college kid who doesn't have ID. Especially at Chapel Hill. Dumb arguement is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. He knows they have ID. It's intellectually dishonest to assert otherwise. They'll find ONE case of some 100 year old person who never got a driver's license. But ignore the fact that stuff like this http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/06/state_to_provide_free_ids_unde.html exists. "It'll hurt poor people" "Um IDs are free" "But the poor people, think of the poor people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yep. Honesty knows no economic class. Obviously if someone doesn't want to show an ID, they are hiding something. Honest people have nothing to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yep. Honesty knows no economic class. Obviously if someone doesn't want to show an ID, they are hiding something. Honest people have nothing to hide. This. And notice nobody has answered my question of why it's OK to require ID to get government aid, but not to vote in a government election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. Still never answered the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. Still never answered the question. It's still reverberaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. Still never answered the question. It's still reverberaten. I've asked a simple question. Why do you refuse to answer it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,811 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. Still never answered the question. It's still reverberaten. I've asked a simple question. Why do you refuse to answer it? Maybe he's impersonating you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. It's funny to us how, in your weird little mind, you think that you own this forum, and think that every thread is created just for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouchyfish 67 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. It's funny to us how, in your weird little mind, you think that you own this forum, and think that every thread is created just for you. He would have made a great heel in the 1980's WWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. But not everybody does. Everybody doesn't have a car or need a drivers license. Everybody doesn't have a college ID (whoops, forget that example, they are no good anyway) You all seem to be overlooking the fact that to vote, you first have to register first and be on the voting list in your polling place. I don't see a problem here that needs to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I really like it when I back off sometimes and let you guys do that "reverb" thing. It's funny to watch. It's funny to us how, in your weird little mind, you think that you own this forum, and think that every thread is created just for you. Really? That's bizarre! Anyway, I am glad I elicited a laugh, as that was my intent. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. But not everybody does. Everybody doesn't have a car or need a drivers license. Everybody doesn't have a college ID (whoops, forget that example, they are no good anyway) You all seem to be overlooking the fact that to vote, you first have to register first and be on the voting list in your polling place. I don't see a problem here that needs to be addressed. Everbody aint just like me? Well, they should be or they should just go somewheres else. This is America, Jack. Everybody needs to get on board with the program or go the heck somewheres else. I hate them people that don't think like me or look like me. They aint American. You either love my flag and the government for which it stands or get out. Hommer, don't get me wrong and don't be putting words in my mouth, its ok for us to be individuals so long as we are doin it the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. But not everybody does. Everybody doesn't have a car or need a drivers license. Everybody doesn't have a college ID (whoops, forget that example, they are no good anyway) You all seem to be overlooking the fact that to vote, you first have to register first and be on the voting list in your polling place. I don't see a problem here that needs to be addressed. So you agree, requiring people to show ID for government services hurts the poor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. But not everybody does. Everybody doesn't have a car or need a drivers license. Everybody doesn't have a college ID (whoops, forget that example, they are no good anyway) You all seem to be overlooking the fact that to vote, you first have to register first and be on the voting list in your polling place. I don't see a problem here that needs to be addressed. Everbody aint just like me? Well, they should be or they should just go somewheres else. This is America, Jack. Everybody needs to get on board with the program or go the heck somewheres else. I hate them people that don't think like me or look like me. They aint American. You either love my flag and the government for which it stands or get out. Hommer, don't get me wrong and don't be putting words in my mouth, its ok for us to be individuals so long as we are doin it the same way. Nice to have you back, ICHY. I missed your input. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 1. There is little indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. 2. It will depress voter participation of poorer people. (Just like the laws restricting early voting and Sunday voting.) Next Question. How would it depress voter participation of poor people??? You wouldn't be asked for blood, for goodness sakes, just for an ID that everybody should have anyway. Please explain this. But not everybody does. Everybody doesn't have a car or need a drivers license. Everybody doesn't have a college ID (whoops, forget that example, they are no good anyway) You all seem to be overlooking the fact that to vote, you first have to register first and be on the voting list in your polling place. I don't see a problem here that needs to be addressed. So you agree, requiring people to show ID for government services hurts the poor... Not if they are receiving services as a consequence and the ID is supplied to them when they apply. But this discussion is about the right to vote, not applying for a government service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Nice to have you back, ICHY. I missed your input. :-) Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 146 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 But this discussion is about the right to vote, not applying for a government service. But the same theory applies does it not? - Poor people vote - Poor people get food stamps Making poor people have an ID to get food stamps doesn't hurt them. Making them have the same ID to vote does. That makes no sense. And WHY ON EARTH would you have any reason NOT to show identification? The ONLY reason I could see you not wanting to show ID is if you were up to no good. Aren't we to assume all these people who are getting food stamps are the same people you're trying to protect from having to show their ID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 But this discussion is about the right to vote, not applying for a government service. But the same theory applies does it not? - Poor people vote - Poor people get food stamps Making poor people have an ID to get food stamps doesn't hurt them. Making them have the same ID to vote does. That makes no sense. And WHY ON EARTH would you have any reason NOT to show identification? The ONLY reason I could see you not wanting to show ID is if you were up to no good. Aren't we to assume all these people who are getting food stamps are the same people you're trying to protect from having to show their ID? Food stamps are not comparable to a citizen's right to vote. One is a benefit of citizenship, one is a right of citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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