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The VICTIMS, you know, Baylor students, have charged that Briles and Starr were warned about the predatory behavior and did nothing about it, except in some instances cover it up. It is also not, "one" person who committed the assaults. If someone holds themselves up as a paragon of virtue, it is a good idea to behave that way....

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/how-a-sexual-assault-scandal-engulfed-baylors-football-program.html/

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Don't you think blaming societal PC changes is a cop out? Aren't we ALL part of society and therefore are responsible for our own actions? It's very dangerous to put blame on anything other than ourselves and the last time I looked, we all are part of society. People need to look in the mirror and stop looking for someone to blame...just sayin'.

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Don't you think blaming societal PC changes is a cop out? Aren't we ALL part of society and therefore are responsible for our own actions? It's very dangerous to put blame on anything other than ourselves and the last time I looked, we all are part of society. People need to look in the mirror and stop looking for someone to blame...just sayin'.

When u look in the mirror do u see someone who sexually assaults people or someone who covers it up?
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Don't you think blaming societal PC changes is a cop out? Aren't we ALL part of society and therefore are responsible for our own actions? It's very dangerous to put blame on anything other than ourselves and the last time I looked, we all are part of society. People need to look in the mirror and stop looking for someone to blame...just sayin'.

Agree. And I guarantee you I do not participate in PC crap. No grey areas on the core values in my life and the lives of my family members.
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The issues involving the players could happen anywhere ....including such "class" universities as Vandy.

On the other hand, the actions ...or lack of action by the Baylor administration is inexcusable....although we see PSU even today, trying to wash JoPa clean.

Interesting that U of Washington might have shipped Baylor some "damaged goods" ...yet for the most part has escaped criticism from the media.

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Recent deposed testimonies show that Penn State had heard about and coaches had FIRST HAND witnessed Sandusky's actions, in FULL action, cough cough, DECADES before anything was done about it. Not enough soap to wash that legacy clean....My opinion, it is America and I'm entitled to it. Sacrifice children to insure sports success? Hell fricking NO.

With UTk and Baylor, hopefully, this will make institutions more responsible for the actions of the coaches, admin and players. Damn shame that common humanity didn't manage that in the first place.

In a sort of related issue, BYU, recently was accused by MULTIPLE women students of not only ignoring their complaints of rape and assault but, of treating the victims as more of a criminal than the attackers and rapists. Inexcusable.

http://www.sltrib.co...ctims-of-sexual

UC Berkley was charged with underreporting and being slow to respond to a rash of assaults, many of them occurring within the Greek system. According to this article, 31 colleges and universities are under Fed investigation for some variation of the same issues.

http://time.com/2917931/college-sexual-violence/

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I think it's time to let the schools know that there are bigger things in life than wins and losses. This punishment needs to be ugly, it needs to be miserable, and it needs to be followed through with (unlike Penn State).

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Art Briles' head will roll for this.

Bye bye Rhett. :hellyeah:

lol

Have to go to Pensacola for work today. Twin Peaks or Hooters? Not sure if I want to go over to Pensacola Beach but I'm not ruling it out either.

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I think it's time to let the schools know that there are bigger things in life than wins and losses. This punishment needs to be ugly, it needs to be miserable, and it needs to be followed through with (unlike Penn State).

SMU's death penalty didn't stop impermissible benefits. Mandatory minimums didn't win the war on drugs. They're just nuisances that force folks to be more careful.

As long as there are drugs, people will do them. As long as there is big money in college athletics, cheating and blind eyes and shady athletes and shadier coaches/admins will prevail. But rape? Damn. I started to call it the exception and not the rule, but this thread reveals far too long of a list.

Were I a Baylor fan, I'd be hitting the eject button big time right now. It's not even lack of institutional control. The institution's control is the entire problem. They need a whole new institution. Yikes.

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Women don't get raped at Baylor, because they teach abstinence only and pre-marital sex is verbotten, so it never happens. Hell, they weren't even allowed to dance together until recently. Plus, if a breach of those official commandments from the administration occurred, it was because the woman caused it.

Maybe but more likely as with most formerly church supported schools, the Christian influence is long gone and the schools have adopted society's norms.....which is not very encouraging.

It makes one wonder just how bad things are, in these poor neighborhoods, outside of football or basketball recruits? The only time we see/hear of these sexual, stolen gun, drug, or violent crimes is when it involves an athlete. Can you imagine what is happening with all of the non-athletes in these communities?

How can we have fallen this far as a society?

We have a society that is hell bent on being PC instead of pursuing that which is CORRECT...

Wait... are we seriously saying that rich white dudes don't commit crimes? Or that non-athlete college students don't commit crimes? Y'all are really just gonna run with that? You only hear about the athletes because they're freaking athletes. Surely this doesn't have to explaine... sigh. Nevermind.

And LOL at PC and "CORRECT" being mutually exclusive ideas. "Yeah, I don't think you should discriminate against people who don't look or act like you, so that means I'm okay with you stealing stuff and assaulting people." I've redacted a less civil response and will instead just say that I disagree with your stance.

Lastly... "Society's norms" encourage rape? And for the powers to be to cover it up? Really? I recommend you watch a movie called 'Spotlight'. It merely confirms what a lot of us already knew, but it sounds like it might turn on some lights for some around here.

Oh, and what Ken Starr has learned is that he's unemployed. Imagine that, the guy who spent $39 million of taxpayer money on a politically motivated witch hunt is a complete hypocrite and allowed actual bad things to happen to non-consenting kids on his watch.

The Baylor board of regents on Tuesday fired six-year school president and chancellor Ken Starr, sources tell HornsDigest.com.
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Women don't get raped at Baylor, because they teach abstinence only and pre-marital sex is verbotten, so it never happens. Hell, they weren't even allowed to dance together until recently. Plus, if a breach of those official commandments from the administration occurred, it was because the woman caused it.

Maybe but more likely as with most formerly church supported schools, the Christian influence is long gone and the schools have adopted society's norms.....which is not very encouraging.

It makes one wonder just how bad things are, in these poor neighborhoods, outside of football or basketball recruits? The only time we see/hear of these sexual, stolen gun, drug, or violent crimes is when it involves an athlete. Can you imagine what is happening with all of the non-athletes in these communities?

How can we have fallen this far as a society?

We have a society that is hell bent on being PC instead of pursuing that which is CORRECT...

Wait... are we seriously saying that rich white dudes don't commit crimes? Or that non-athlete college students don't commit crimes? Y'all are really just gonna run with that? You only hear about the athletes because they're freaking athletes. Surely this doesn't have to explaine... sigh. Nevermind.

And LOL at PC and "CORRECT" being mutually exclusive ideas. "Yeah, I don't think you should discriminate against people who don't look or act like you, so that means I'm okay with you stealing stuff and assaulting people." I've redacted a less civil response and will instead just say that I disagree with your stance.

Lastly... "Society's norms" encourage rape? And for the powers to be to cover it up? Really? I recommend you watch a movie called 'Spotlight'. It merely confirms what a lot of us already knew, but it sounds like it might turn on some lights for some around here.

Oh, and what Ken Starr has learned is that he's unemployed. Imagine that, the guy who spent $39 million of taxpayer money on a politically motivated witch hunt is a complete hypocrite and allowed actual bad things to happen to non-consenting kids on his watch.

The Baylor board of regents on Tuesday fired six-year school president and chancellor Ken Starr, sources tell HornsDigest.com.

We really do need to make America Great Again! You know, like it once was.
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Yeah, this makes complete sense now....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kenneth-starr-who-tried-to-bury-bill-clinton-now-only-praises-him/ar-BBtp5L8?li=BBnbcA1

Kenneth Starr, Who Tried to Bury Bill Clinton, Now Only Praises Him

An unlikely voice recently bemoaned the decline of civility in presidential politics, warned that “deep anger” was fueling an “almost radical populism” and sang the praises of former President Bill Clinton — particularly his “redemptive” years of philanthropic work since leaving the White House.

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The voice was that of Kenneth W. Starr, the former Whitewater independent counsel, whose Javert-like pursuit of Mr. Clinton in the 1990s helped bring a new intensity to partisan warfare and led to the impeachment of a president for only the second time in the nation’s history.

The presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump, increasingly seems to be trying to relitigate the scandals that Mr. Starr investigated, dredging up allegations of sexual transgressions by Mr. Clinton to accuse Hillary Clinton — the likely Democratic nominee — of having aided and enabled her husband at the expense of Mr. Clinton’s female accusers.

But Mr. Starr expressed regret last week that so much of Mr. Clinton’s legacy remains viewed through the lens of what Mr. Starr demurely termed “the unpleasantness.”

His remarks seemed almost to absolve Mr. Clinton, if not to exonerate him.

“There are certain tragic dimensions which we all lament,” Mr. Starr said in a panel discussion on the presidency at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

“That having been said, the idea of this redemptive process afterwards, we have certainly seen that powerfully” in Mr. Clinton’s post-presidency, he continued, adding, “President Carter set a very high standard, which President Clinton clearly continues to follow.”

He called Mr. Clinton “the most gifted politician of the baby boomer generation.”

“His genuine empathy for human beings is absolutely clear,” Mr. Starr said. “It is powerful, it is palpable and the folks of Arkansas really understood that about him — that he genuinely cared. The ‘I feel your pain’ is absolutely genuine.”

For some time, Mr. Starr, a Christian who is now the president and chancellor of Baylor University, a private Baptist school in Waco, Tex., has sought to put his years as a political combatant behind him. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, some of his associates expressed regret that so much of the Clinton administration’s efforts had been spent fighting those battles rather than addressing the growing threat posed by Osama bin Laden. And in 2010, Mr. Starr told Fox News that he regretted that his investigation of Mr. Clinton had taken so long and that it “brought great pain to a lot of people.”

The panel discussion in Philadelphia was occasioned by the release of “The Presidents and the Constitution: A Living History,” to which Mr. Starr contributed a chapter on Ronald Reagan. The book’s editor, who wrote the chapter on Mr. Clinton, is Ken Gormley, who also wrote the 2010 book “The Death of American Virtue: Clinton vs. Starr.”

“It’s sad that the chapter is so rooted in the unpleasantness, as I used to call it, the recent unpleasantness,” Mr. Starr said.

He did not mention any of the current presidential candidates by name in last week’s discussion. But Mr. Starr, 69, alluded to Mr. Trump, saying he was concerned about “the transnational emergence of almost radical populism, deep anger, a sense of dislocation.”

He also seemed to echo Mr. Trump, however, saying, “Our children are not going to do as well as we did or as our parents’ generation,” and pointing to demographic shifts as a source of “considerable instability.”

Then again, Mr. Starr also alluded to the danger posed by income inequality, a central theme of Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign. “We simply have not adjusted as a society to what seems to be the 1 percent and the 99 percent,” Mr. Starr said.

But it was Mr. Starr’s keening over the coarsening and polarization of American politics that seemed most noteworthy. He did not volunteer any responsibility for it — though Mr. Clinton, who in 2006 accused Mr. Starr of “indicting innocent people because they wouldn’t lie,” might well lay considerable blame at his feet.

A federal judge in the Reagan administration and the solicitor general under President George Bush, Mr. Starr was named independent counsel in 1994, taking over the investigation of the Whitewater real estate venture and the suicide of Vincent W. Foster Jr., a deputy White House counsel. He expanded the investigation to include the Paula Jones lawsuit and the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Mr. Starr’s conclusion that Mr. Clinton had committed perjury in sworn testimony denying having had “sexual relations” with Ms. Lewinsky eventually led to Mr. Clinton’s impeachment.

“Whether it’s Whitewater or whether it’s Vince or whether it’s Benghazi. It’s always a mess with Hillary,” Mr. Trump recently told The Washington Post.

Mr. Starr now is contending with criticism of his own leadership over Baylor’s handling of sexual assault charges leveled against several of its football players.

In the panel discussion last week, he reached back to an earlier presidency — that of Lyndon B. Johnson. Saying today’s divisiveness “deeply concerns me,” he recalled Johnson’s appealing for comity before a joint session of Congress.

“I remember this so vividly — he said, ‘Come, let us reason together.’ Can we talk with one another?” Mr. Starr said. “The utter decline and erosion of civility and discourse has, I think, very troubling implications.”

He quoted E. Gordon Gee, the president of West Virginia University, as saying, “The world has become a shouting match.”

“There are always places for shouts and strong feelings, but the genius of American democracy and of presidential leadership,” Mr. Starr continued, “is to bring unity out of our diversity. E pluribus unum — out of many, one. And we don’t seem to hear too many voices saying, ‘Let us find common ground.’ ”

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no politics here guys take it to the correct forum if you want to discuss

Sorry Golf, I thought it was relevant to the Baylor football story.

No biggie and it wasn't directed just to you.

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