New DB Coach discussion (Merged)

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6 hours ago, mcgufcm said:

Nah, I bet a split coupled with a very good record would be good enough. That's my feel. If it's 10-2 with losses to UGA and Bama, I'd Bill Curry the guy.

As for Coach Brown, I think it's a good hire in the short term, and as many have said, Gus has to win now. That means, it's a good hire. The guy can coach. I don't view this as an upgrade over McGriff, but that was a rare home run hire. He was was over-qualified for the job, and we almost held him for two years. It sucked to lose Crime Dog. No way to make that better, but Coach Brown is a good coach. He could really have a positive impact on Carlton Davis. He's done it with CBs over and over.

Also, I'll be interested to see if the 10th staff member is a recruiting specialist. If so, that could fill the void left by Crime Dog in recruiting.

9-3 with a split is a good record. 8-4 with a split is meh.

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3 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

Nobody or less than everybody knew this..I have a hunch you cannot prove your claim.

I don't need to.  There was no proof Muschamp was going to leave but everyone had a cap on him at 2 years with us.  Everyone could see Mcgriff was headed to a DC job.  And he has had no issues leaving programs in the past.  

3 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

Mcgriff was a great coach and is already a better recruiter. You can try to spin Brown into an upgrade but he isn't.

Mcgriff was a great coach, but I did not see the results I was expecting.  I would not say a better recruiter, I would say probably the same.  Brown has landed some big recruits like Mcgriff did.  I would say at the very least Brown is equal to Mcgriff.  Confident enough to say let's see what he can do before we pass judgement.  

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12 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

I don't need to.  There was no proof Muschamp was going to leave but everyone had a cap on him at 2 years with us.  Everyone could see Mcgriff was headed to a DC job.  And he has had no issues leaving programs in the past.  

Mcgriff was a great coach, but I did not see the results I was expecting.  I would not say a better recruiter, I would say probably the same.  Brown has landed some big recruits like Mcgriff did.  I would say at the very least Brown is equal to Mcgriff.  Confident enough to say let's see what he can do before we pass judgement.  

Actually you do need to, since you are so sure of it.  Muschamp was only at 1 job for 3 years except when he was head coach at Florida, which was for 4 years and an absolute train wreck.  Muschamp has a history of job hoping.  McGriff does not.  McGriff had 3 year stops at 3 different places and one of those was the NFL.  So, yes you do need to show us proof that McGriff was only going to be here 1 year.  We are waiting.

If you didn't see the results you were expecting, either you weren't paying attention or your expectations are unreasonable. McGriff is a terrific coach.  As far as the recruiting for either of these go, I highly doubt you have any idea who either of these coaches actually recruited so there's no way you can form an opinion on either one in that regard. If you do know, please share it and let see how they stack up.  We'll wait on that too.

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3 minutes ago, WarTiger said:

Actually you do need to, since you are so sure of it.  Muschamp was only at 1 job for 3 years except when he was head coach at Florida, which was for 4 years and an absolute train wreck.  Muschamp has a history of job hoping.  McGriff does not.  McGriff had 3 year stops at 3 different places and one of those was the NFL.  So, yes you do need to show us proof that McGriff was only going to be here 1 year.  We are waiting.

If you didn't see the results you were expecting, either you weren't paying attention or your expectations are unreasonable. McGriff is a terrific coach.  As far as the recruiting for either of these go, I highly doubt you have any idea who either of these coaches actually recruited so there's no way you can form an opinion on either one in that regard. If you do know, please share it and let see how they stack up.  We'll wait on that too.

I owe you one.

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2 hours ago, WarDamnEagleWDE said:

Going 1and 3 in year 5 against those teams and he is gone. Better beat 2 With one being uga or uat. In fact getting beat 4 in a row by those two, gone. 

There is no reason , with the talent we have next year ,to not feel like we should be unbeaten heading into the iron bowl. We should at least be prime for playoff position. I am not asking for this every year , but we need to make noise next year with many guys choosing to come back and JS at QB. Just my opinion .

[abw0004 10,110]

1 hour ago, WarTiger said:

Actually you do need to, since you are so sure of it.  Muschamp was only at 1 job for 3 years except when he was head coach at Florida, which was for 4 years and an absolute train wreck.  Muschamp has a history of job hoping.  McGriff does not.  McGriff had 3 year stops at 3 different places and one of those was the NFL.  So, yes you do need to show us proof that McGriff was only going to be here 1 year.  We are waiting.

If you didn't see the results you were expecting, either you weren't paying attention or your expectations are unreasonable. McGriff is a terrific coach.  As far as the recruiting for either of these go, I highly doubt you have any idea who either of these coaches actually recruited so there's no way you can form an opinion on either one in that regard. If you do know, please share it and let see how they stack up.  We'll wait on that too.

Thanks for waiting!  That was nice of you to wait for me.  Ole Miss is Mcgriff's 10th stop in his career.  Auburn was the 4th stop where he only stayed one year (Eastern Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss).  He also spent 2 years at Kentucky.  Will Muschamp has 6 one and dones.  So yes he does actually have a history.  

Now, as far as recruiting, if you read a previous post of mine on this thread you will see I actually did do homework and see who he recruited.  Brown recruited Gerod Holliman, the 4th best safety in his class, and developed him into a Jim Thorpe award winner.  Actually, he is the only coach to have 3 Jim Thorpe winners (Deon Figures, and Chris Hudson being the other two).  Mcgriff does not have any.  Brown is also responsible for bringing in Jarran Reed and DJ Pettway to Alabama.  Now let's also give Mcgriff credit, he has coached All-Americans at Miami.  He also recruited big for Ole Miss, but did not stick around to coach them.  So yes they are equal to both of their credit, being good recruiters.

At Louisvile, Brown's secondary led the nation in picks in 2014, and was 14th in he nation in 2015.  The past 3 years his team's have been in the top 30 for pass deflections.  

I actually do my homework before I post.  Sometimes I get it wrong, but I try to minimize that.  I don't hate Mcgriff either, although you are trying to paint me that way.  I just think Brown can do just as good if not better.  Hope this was worth your wait.  

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3 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

Auburn was the 4th stop where he only stayed one year

But less than everybody knew he was going to leave this year. That's the point. They figured he would leave when he could be promoted but that is it. Learn that when words like "everybody knew" are used, that eyebrows are raised...

 

And DJ Pettway and Reed were thug juco recruits. Their ranks were juco as well.  Look at his recruiting profile. A bunch of two and three stars. Don't pretend that he can recruit better than Mcgriff. 

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16 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

Thanks for waiting!  That was nice of you to wait for me.  Ole Miss is Mcgriff's 10th stop in his career.  Auburn was the 4th stop where he only stayed one year (Eastern Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss).  He also spent 2 years at Kentucky.  Will Muschamp has 6 one and dones.  So yes he does actually have a history.  

Now, as far as recruiting, if you read a previous post of mine on this thread you will see I actually did do homework and see who he recruited.  Brown recruited Gerod Holliman, the 4th best safety in his class, and developed him into a Jim Thorpe award winner.  Actually, he is the only coach to have 3 Jim Thorpe winners (Deon Figures, and Chris Hudson being the other two).  Mcgriff does not have any.  Brown is also responsible for bringing in Jarran Reed and DJ Pettway to Alabama.  Now let's also give Mcgriff credit, he has coached All-Americans at Miami.  He also recruited big for Ole Miss, but did not stick around to coach them.  So yes they are equal to both of their credit, being good recruiters.

At Louisvile, Brown's secondary led the nation in picks in 2014, and was 14th in he nation in 2015.  The past 3 years his team's have been in the top 30 for pass deflections.  

I actually do my homework before I post.  Sometimes I get it wrong, but I try to minimize that.  I don't hate Mcgriff either, although you are trying to paint me that way.  I just think Brown can do just as good if not better.  Hope this was worth your wait.  

Equal being recruiters??

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1 minute ago, cole256 said:

Equal being recruiters??

Yes.  That is how I feel about it.  Mcgriff may have gotten more 5-stars, but Brown had the ability to find players that were going to become great players.  It is easy to look at a recruiting board and go after every 5-star (don't get me wrong that's great to do), but it is big to have the ability to find 3-4 star players and make them into nationally recognized players like Brown has.  You guys can disagree with me, and I respect that, but after doing my research of his recruiting and development, I do not believe we have a drop off.

[cole256 17,043]

Lol ok! My thing about that is if things don't go right you can't say look at what the coaches had to work with....

[ScottsboroAuburnFan 462]

They are not equal recruiters, but I think Brown has a coaching Edge. That's all we need. I don't want 5* playing like 4*. I want 4* playing like 5*.  We can get good 3* and 4* no problem. Just need them coached up. He will do wonders with our current guys imo and make HS kids want to come.

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4 minutes ago, cole256 said:

Lol ok! My thing about that is if things don't go right you can't say look at what the coaches had to work with....

I can live with that.  I like who is in our secondary.  My only concern is depth at corner.  I like how Daniel Thomas broke out, and Marlon Character is apparently really done well in practices but after them I don't know yet which freshmen we can count on, yet.  We have 8 months for Brown to work with them, so let's hope that time is put to good use!

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3 minutes ago, cole256 said:

Lol ok! My thing about that is if things don't go right you can't say look at what the coaches had to work with....

 Then the excuse would be "anybody could've won with their talent."  I hear this excuse quite often.

Im curious about exactly how many players this coach developed other than the three Thorpe winners.

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4 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

I can live with that.  I like who is in our secondary.  My only concern is depth at corner.  I like how Daniel Thomas broke out, and Marlon Character is apparently really done well in practices but after them I don't know yet which freshmen we can count on, yet.  We have 8 months for Brown to work with them, so let's hope that time is put to good use!

Hypothetically, Given Brown's reputation, he would be able to coach them up until the current talent runs dry. Then we will really find out how his development skills are once he starts developing his own recruited players...unless, of course, he leaves again..

[ScottsboroAuburnFan 462]

Askew, Gonzalez, and Leonard all posted to Twitter they are excited about the hire. One mentioned the start of DBU and recruiting will go up. If kids are excited, then we are in great shape. Maybe he can swing Hunter as the 4th Thorpe winner. 

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On 01/07/2017 at 2:30 PM, FoundationEagle said:

Lmao. Gus surprises people?  In what way?  Lack of coaching ability?  Surely you aren't implying he surprises people with well timed plays are you?   The only people I've seen him surprise in the last 3 years is every fan who expected him to make good play calls or actually make an adjustment in a game. We've all been quite surprised at the complete lack of willingness or ability to change anything ever.  So I suppose you could be right.   Surprising people is his bread and butter, unfortunately it's in a bad way because everyone else came to eat bread and butter and they are getting full. 

Dude... hate on him all you want (as old and tired as the diatribes may be getting), but his entire offensive philosophy is based on misdirection, i.e. surprise. Don't forget in 2013 people were saying it was practically cheating because he'd pass out of run looks and run out of pass looks. A lot of why it has become less effective is that defensive coordinators have figured out his tendencies, which is why he desperately needs new blood with new ideas on his staff.

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On 1/7/2017 at 10:48 PM, TitanTiger said:

I love centimeter deep analysis passed off as insight.

Alabama's pass defense was ranked 11th in 2013, giving up only 180.3 yds per game and 6.6 yds per attempt.  The year after he left, they fell to 59th, giving up 226 yds per game and 6.4 per attempt. Their pass defense this season is ranked 14th with 182 yds per game and 5.7 yds per attempt.

Perhaps he didn't really enjoy working for Saban, he and Saban didn't see eye to eye, etc.  But to just throw this out there with no context like it means something is pathetic.

I love being so determined to pump sunshine that you invent possible reasons why the guy was fired.