La Tech just had a player ejected for targeting...

[boisnumber1 2,817]

And he hit the navy QB in the gut with his helmet. No exaggeration. It wasnt called on the field but the replay booth called it targeting. The NCAA needs to get a grip on this rule. The inconsistency on how this is called is ridiculous and a real issue.

[DAG 33,955]

14 minutes ago, boisnumber1 said:

And he hit the navy QB in the gut with his helmet. No exaggeration. It wasnt called on the field but the replay booth called it targeting. The NCAA needs to get a grip on this rule. The inconsistency on how this is called is ridiculous and a real issue.

 

I could be wrong, but I think it was the fact that he ducked his head, exposing the crown to the QBs gut for impact, which ultimately could hurt the tackler as well. At least that is what I saw.

[PowerOfDixieland 3,225]

Yeah, I was under the impression the hit had to be initiated with the crown of the helmet, which it was, and the contact had to be at the shoulders or above, which it wasn't even close.  Looked too close to even call roughing the passer to me.  What caught my eye was the two 5' 8" receivers going for over 350 yards, those guys are tiny.  Great game to watch, not a lot of defense on either side.

[WarTiger 3,896]

38 minutes ago, boisnumber1 said:

And he hit the navy QB in the gut with his helmet. No exaggeration. It wasnt called on the field but the replay booth called it targeting. The NCAA needs to get a grip on this rule. The inconsistency on how this is called is ridiculous and a real issue.

I didn't see it, but if that's an accurate description of the play then it was a great call.

[WarTiger 3,896]

10 minutes ago, PowerOfDixieland said:

Yeah, I was under the impression the hit had to be initiated with the crown of the helmet, which it was, and the contact had to be at the shoulders or above, which it wasn't even close.  Looked too close to even call roughing the passer to me.  What caught my eye was the two 5' 8" receivers going for over 350 yards, those guys are tiny.  Great game to watch, not a lot of defense on either side.

There are two separate rules for Targeting.  ANY contact initiated with the crown of the helmet is a targeting foul, regardless of where the opponent is hit.  This used to be called SPEARING in the rule book but they have merged it in with the targeting provision.   The other aspect of targeting does NOT require helmet contact and is ANY contact initiated above the shoulders.   What you stated above is basically combining the two and its just a misinterpretation of the rule.  Here's the entire rule directly from the book:

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact
With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an
opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there
be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question,
it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head
or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head
or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet,
forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at
least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is
a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for
purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making
a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of
targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an
upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in
the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with
forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both
feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to
attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact
with the crown of the helmet
Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to
receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has
not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball
carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick
or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who
has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect
himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier..
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose
forward progress has been stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession
• A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding
feet-first.
PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball
fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first
down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other
rules. For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the
remainder of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the
second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the
game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs
in the second half of the last game of the season, players
with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during
the postseason or the first game of the following season.
The disqualification must be reviewed by Instant Replay
(Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and S47]
When the Instant Replay Official reverses the
disqualification:
If the targeting foul is not in conjunction with another
personal foul by the same player, the 15-yard penalty for
targeting is not enforced. If the player commits another
personal foul in conjunction with the targeting foul, the
15-yard penalty for that personal foul is enforced according
to rule. (A. R. 9-1-4-VII-VIII)
For games in which Instant Replay is not used:
If a player is disqualified in the first half, at the option
of the conference or by pre-game mutual agreement of the
teams in inter-conference games, during the intermission
between halves the Referee will be provided a video of the
play in question for his review in the officials’ private secure
location. The Referee will review the video to determine
whether the disqualification is reversed. The decision of the
Referee is final. (A. R. 9-1-4-IX)
Note: The video source and the location of the review will
be determined prior to the game through mutual agreement
of the teams and the Referee.
If a player is disqualified in the second half, the
conference has the option to consult the national
coordinator of football officials who would then facilitate
a video review. Based on the review, if and only if the
national coordinator concludes that the player should
not have been disqualified, the conference may vacate
the suspension. If the national coordinator supports the
disqualification, the suspension for the next game will
remain.

[PowerOfDixieland 3,225]

No wonder their isn't consistency, I wouldn't read the rule either.

[AUsince72 11,084]

3 hours ago, WarTiger said:

There are two separate rules for Targeting.  ANY contact initiated with the crown of the helmet is a targeting foul, regardless of where the opponent is hit.  This used to be called SPEARING in the rule book but they have merged it in with the targeting provision.   The other aspect of targeting does NOT require helmet contact and is ANY contact initiated above the shoulders.   What you stated above is basically combining the two and its just a misinterpretation of the rule.  Here's the entire rule directly from the book:

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact
With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an
opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there
be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question,
it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head
or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head
or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet,
forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at
least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is
a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for
purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making
a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of
targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an
upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in
the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with
forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both
feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to
attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact
with the crown of the helmet
Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to
receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has
not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball
carrier.
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick
or the return.
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who
has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect
himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier..
• A player on the ground.
• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose
forward progress has been stopped.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession
• A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding
feet-first.
PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball
fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first
down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other
rules. For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the
remainder of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the
second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the
game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs
in the second half of the last game of the season, players
with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during
the postseason or the first game of the following season.
The disqualification must be reviewed by Instant Replay
(Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and S47]
When the Instant Replay Official reverses the
disqualification:
If the targeting foul is not in conjunction with another
personal foul by the same player, the 15-yard penalty for
targeting is not enforced. If the player commits another
personal foul in conjunction with the targeting foul, the
15-yard penalty for that personal foul is enforced according
to rule. (A. R. 9-1-4-VII-VIII)
For games in which Instant Replay is not used:
If a player is disqualified in the first half, at the option
of the conference or by pre-game mutual agreement of the
teams in inter-conference games, during the intermission
between halves the Referee will be provided a video of the
play in question for his review in the officials’ private secure
location. The Referee will review the video to determine
whether the disqualification is reversed. The decision of the
Referee is final. (A. R. 9-1-4-IX)
Note: The video source and the location of the review will
be determined prior to the game through mutual agreement
of the teams and the Referee.
If a player is disqualified in the second half, the
conference has the option to consult the national
coordinator of football officials who would then facilitate
a video review. Based on the review, if and only if the
national coordinator concludes that the player should
not have been disqualified, the conference may vacate
the suspension. If the national coordinator supports the
disqualification, the suspension for the next game will
remain.

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[Randman5000 4,223]

The problem with this rule is that people think that Targeting means helmet to helmet. 

[AU64 10,122]

16 minutes ago, Randman5000 said:

The problem with this rule is that people think that Targeting means helmet to helmet. 

 Of course, the problem is not with the RULE.....it is with the many people who do not understand what it covers.    Seems to me that "leading with the crown of the helmet "  is the major reason the penalty gets called.

[WarTiger 3,896]

25 minutes ago, Randman5000 said:

The problem with this rule is that people think that Targeting means helmet to helmet. 

That isn't the problem with or the fault of the rule.  That's the fault of the fans (and broadcasters) for not actually doing any research and educating themselves on what the rule is. 

[Randman5000 4,223]

6 minutes ago, WarTiger said:

That isn't the problem with or the fault of the rule.  That's the fault of the fans (and broadcasters) for not actually doing any research and educating themselves on what the rule is. 

Yeah that's what I meant. Being sarcastic. 

[doc4aday 1,887]

That was a bad call without a doubt. I was watching the game with my son at his home near Waco. I have seen worse plays than that that never were flagged for that  violation. In general, that was one of the worst called games I have seen this bowl season. 

[WarTiger 3,896]

I just found the play in question and it was TEXTBOOK targeting.  Absolutely PERFECT CALL.   Leading with the crown of the  helmet is ILLEGAL regardless of where the contact occurs on the opponent.  PERFECT CALL.

[Barnacle 9,064]

LOUD NOISES!!! 

[PowerOfDixieland 3,225]

I'M SCREAMING, LISTEN TO ME DAMMIT!!!!

[AU64 10,122]

We have been talking about this issue for the entire season. I guess it is possible that WT is frustrated at his inability to get his point across.

[Barnacle 9,064]

23 hours ago, AU64 said:

We have been talking about this issue for the entire season. I guess it is possible that WT is frustrated at his inability to get his point across.

I was just messing with him. I don't expect that he intends to be "yelling" but he uses ALL CAPS pretty liberally, and I get a kick out of it. 

He's definitely right, though.