Notes on Malzahn's Auburn Offense (Merged)

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4 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

As far as Stidham's wheels, I'd expect to see something similar to what we did with Sean, with the hope that we might get a little Baker Mayfield action as well.

I hope you are right friend. If Gus can design an offense around Stidham that averages anywhere close to 300 passing yards a game I will be ecstatic, completely surprised, but ecstatic. 

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11 minutes ago, Tiger said:

One thing is for sure, we are going to need JS's legs to bail us out of some predictable playcalling that is likely to occur. Here's to hoping Gus gets his mojo back though

Even if he gets his mojo back, he's always required some fancy footwork from his QBs because his plays have so many moving parts that can break.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

10 minutes ago, Eagle-1 said:

I hope you are right friend. If Gus can design an offense around Stidham that averages anywhere close to 300 passing yards a game I will be ecstatic, completely surprised, but ecstatic. 

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised, Sean was averaging close to 250 for a stretch and Stidham is more likely to gain big chunks of yards. Just based on what we saw his freshman year, without an extra off-season to get better, I'd expect Stidham to be worth around 50-100 more yards per game than Sean.  He could get the majority of that with one pass.

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I swear Gus isn't the same since his early success with Marshall.  He may have been the best and worst thing to happen to Malzahn.  If he insists on running Stidham occasionally, I do hope somebody teaches him to slide. We can't have anymore of what SW tried in the bowl game. 

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34 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised, Sean was averaging close to 250 for a stretch and Stidham is more likely to gain big chunks of yards. Just based on what we saw his freshman year, without an extra off-season to get better, I'd expect Stidham to be worth around 50-100 more yards per game than Sean.  He could get the majority of that with one pass.

I agree with this. I think some here forgot that when we had QB that could throw it deep with accuracy, WRs like Coates was a vital part to stretching the field and opening up the running game too. We simply could not get that with SW or JF3, so defenses would play more in the box, and play zone of man to man, figuring the QB couldnt hit his WRs on deeper patterns.

So If JS can do what he has shown to do in his film, then CGM and CRL will be calling deeper pass plays...to the happiness of AU fans..))

[aujeff11 6,243]

2 hours ago, lionheartkc said:

The fact that it came almost entirely against our most over matched opponents should have told him that it negated his entire thesis, just like the fact that he lumped in the time that Sean was playing with an injury to his throwing arm skewed those numbers.

Reading the article, I don't think the writer had any sort of agenda, but he needs to brush up on his statistical analysis skills before running with something like that.

Vitale showed the QB's stats against power 5 teams and and then against the non power-5. It's not like he was showing SW's stats against power five and JF3 's against non power five opponents. 

And Sean played hurt for a game and a half out of 12. No reason for JF3 and Johnson to have such a wide chunk of deep plays when they threw much less than SW.

2 hours ago, lionheartkc said:

Not defensive at all, just a fan of accurate analysis.

No. You're a fan of the content that you agree with. 

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6 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

No. You're a fan of the content that you agree with. 

Umm...doesn't that apply to everyone?

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3 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

No. You're a fan of the content that you agree with. 

Classic response of someone who doesn't like it when the facts don't fit there agenda.  

That's fine, Jeff, you can spend the rest of the off season trying to convince everyone that Sean deserves your moniker of "powderpuff".  We'll all just smile and nod and then go about our business as polite society does with someone who refuses to get it.

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Just now, bigbird said:

Umm...doesn't that apply to everyone?

Just like  "everyone" would say they're a fan of accurate analysis?

 

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7 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

That's fine, Jeff, you can spend the rest of the off season trying to convince everyone that Sean deserves your moniker of "powderpuff".  We'll all just smile and nod and then go about our business as polite society does with someone who refuses to get it.

As such, you can continue to point out SW's YPA as a counter point against the claims that SW cannot throw the deep ball and I will continue to mock your "accurate analysis."

Just be prepared to also note that SW's YPA was the biggest against the likes of Arky State, Louisiana Monroe, and Mississippi State. And his longest pass play in two years is 48 yards.

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7 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Umm...doesn't that apply to everyone?

Almost everyone

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For starting QBs Alex Smith has the lowest yards per attempts in the NFL yet they were tops in the NFL in margin of victory. Funny thing about football is it's a team sport. Takes everyone healthy and a little luck to run the table.

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6 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

For starting QBs Alex Smith has the lowest yards per attempts in the NFL yet they were tops in the NFL in margin of victory. Funny thing about football is it's a team sport. Takes everyone healthy and a little luck to run the table.

Your Forever SW Group has been pointing toward his YPA as proof that he is capable of hitting the deep ball. And now you're trying to minimize it. How rich is that? 

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1 minute ago, aujeff11 said:

As such, you can continue to point out SW's YPA as a counter point against the claims that SW cannot throw the deep ball and I will continue to mock your "accurate analysis."

Just be prepared to also note that SW's YPA was the biggest against likes of Arky State, Louisiana Monroe, and Mississippi State. And his longest pass play in two years is 48 years.

See... that's what's hilarious about your argument is I've never once said that Sean did not need to improve his deep ball, though "cannot throw it" is another one of your gross overstatements as he hit nearly 50% of his deep passes. I have said numerous times that it is the one glaring weakness in his game, and gone into detail about how I expect it needs to be addressed if he is to ever improve.  What I have said, and you don't seem to get, is the fact that his YPA was the highest in the league, and he did struggle with the deep ball, underlines how effective he is with his other passes. It takes several intermediate completions and A LOT of short completions to make up for the YPA bump you get from a long ball, yet he outpaced all of the QBs in the SEC who have no issue with the long ball until he got hurt.

Arkansas State (10.6), Louisiana Monroe (14)... sure... and LSU (9), Mississippi State(11.3), and Ole Miss(11.2)...  Wow, look at that, his YPA was higher against 2 SEC opponents than it was against Arkansas State and almost as high against one of the best defenses in the country.  Huh... 

48 years is a LONG pass. All typo kidding aside, Franklin is a long ball specialist... his longest pass was 55 yards... what's your point?

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Just now, lionheartkc said:

what's hilarious about your argument is I've never once said that Sean did not need to improve his deep ball, thoug

and I've never said you didn't. Your point?  You still point it out every time people points his issues at the deep ball. 

 

1 minute ago, lionheartkc said:

as he hit nearly 50% of his deep passes.

Prove it. 

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2 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

Franklin is a long ball specialist... his longest pass was 55 yards... what's your point?

No he isn't. He isn't a specialist at anything when it comes to throwing the ball. Maybe better than SW but...You've got to be kidding me?

 

4 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

Wow, look at that, his YPA was higher against 2 SEC opponents than it was against Arkansas State

 And those SEC opponents had WAC defenses.  Look at their defensive stats and carry on. 

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4 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

 And those SEC opponents had WAC defenses.  Look at their defensive stats and carry on. 

Yup... destroy one of your arguments and you dig for another excuse... Every QB he is being compared to played against those same defenses and he still bested them until he got hurt. 

Ok... time to smile and nod.  Have a good night Jeff.

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7 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

What I have said, and you don't seem to get, is the fact that his YPA was the highest in the league

How am I supposed to attack this?

-That our weak armed QB leading the SEC is an indictment on the QB talent in the SEC?

-Or should I ask you to holler at me whenever he finishes the season with the leading YPA? Not after he does well against a bunch of s***ty teams.

-Or the best one yet? Oh yeah! Alex Smith!

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4 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

Yup... destroy one of your arguments and you dig for another excuse... Every QB he is being compared to played against those same defenses and he still bested them until he got hurt. 

You literally didn't destroy one argument. Saying you did doesn't affirm that you did either. 

 

You pointed out that SW barely had a higher YPA against Ole Miss and Moo State than Arky State but you forget to point out that they are just as bad. 

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Done with this crap take it to PM's if you want to continue. Thread will be locked if not, 

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2 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

Your Forever SW Group has been pointing toward his YPA as proof that he is capable of hitting the deep ball. And now you're trying to minimize it. How rich is that? 

Dude get over the mystical posts that you use your imagination to try and prove "points" where have I glamoured over SW ability to throw the deep ball?...................I'll wait on that one. SW is capable of throwing it but not his strong suit.Not to mention if you actually go back and watch film instead of spewing from the mouth you'll realize a number of these deep balls were dropped of WR let of on a route. SW is strongest in the middle of the field and the deep out. You obviously missed the point in the comparison to Alex Smith and the YPA that you don't have to have a QB capable of taking the top off a defense. It's been proven over and over that a quick slant or deep dig route can be just as effective and more effiecient when then person throwing is actually healthy and WRs run correct routes. You might need a bigger bag or popcorn....js

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7 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

It's been proven over and over that a quick slant or deep dig route can be just as effective and more effiecient when then person throwing is actually healthy

Just as effective? Hardly. Without the top being blown off every now and then, the defenders will crowd the quick slant windows. Alex Smith is a horrible comparison anyways. We need the deep ball. Gus has lamented that fact himself. Kansas City obviously needs differently in a much more NFL conservative offense.  

And what you are arguing hasn't been "proven over and over" either. 

Get your popcorn ready ?

9 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

Dude get over the mystical posts that you use your imagination to try and prove "points" where have I glamoured over SW ability to throw the deep ball?...................I'll wait on that one

Sentence doesn't make sense but, because I can speak to your intent, please show where I explicitly said that you said it. I said your "Forever SW" 

 

14 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

Not to mention if you actually go back and watch film instead of spewing from the mouth you'll realize a number of these deep balls were dropped of WR let of on a route

Blaming the receivers again in a manner that also doesn't make sense.