What's the explanation?

[TexasTiger 12,810]

I'm not generally given to conspiracy theories. Instead, I tend to for the most likely explanation. I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation for these facts:

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And there can be no doubt that Trump is Moscow’s man. Throughout the campaign, his pro-Russian policies were his only inflexibly consistent proposals. After winning the Republican nomination, his team asked for only one change to the entire party platform—removing support for Ukraine in its fight against Russia, contradicting almost the whole Republican foreign policy establishment.

LONGREAD: How Donald Trump won the presidency

On the campaign trail Trump inexplicably defended Putin at every turn, even when it would seem to undermine his own political chances. Once elected, Trump quickly brought back Paul Manafort, his former campaign chair who had been forced to resign after public concerns about his close ties to Russian oligarchs. His pick for National Security Adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, is a former contributor to the Russian state propaganda network RT, openly admires Putin, and joined him at a gala dinner last year. Flynn is being paired with a deputy who once said “Vladimir Putin is the one who really deserves that Nobel Peace Prize.” And, topping all of this, Trump’s likely Secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson,has been described as the closest American to Putin. As the CEO of Exxon Mobil he tirelessly campaigned to remove Russian sanctions, and last year he was awarded one of that country’s highest civilian honours for his efforts in promoting Russian interests."

http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/russias-american-coup/

I open to suggestions.

[Grumps 3,693]

7 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

I'm not generally given to conspiracy theories. Instead, I tend to for the most likely explanation. I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation for these facts:

"

And there can be no doubt that Trump is Moscow’s man. Throughout the campaign, his pro-Russian policies were his only inflexibly consistent proposals. After winning the Republican nomination, his team asked for only one change to the entire party platform—removing support for Ukraine in its fight against Russia, contradicting almost the whole Republican foreign policy establishment.

LONGREAD: How Donald Trump won the presidency

On the campaign trail Trump inexplicably defended Putin at every turn, even when it would seem to undermine his own political chances. Once elected, Trump quickly brought back Paul Manafort, his former campaign chair who had been forced to resign after public concerns about his close ties to Russian oligarchs. His pick for National Security Adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, is a former contributor to the Russian state propaganda network RT, openly admires Putin, and joined him at a gala dinner last year. Flynn is being paired with a deputy who once said “Vladimir Putin is the one who really deserves that Nobel Peace Prize.” And, topping all of this, Trump’s likely Secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson,has been described as the closest American to Putin. As the CEO of Exxon Mobil he tirelessly campaigned to remove Russian sanctions, and last year he was awarded one of that country’s highest civilian honours for his efforts in promoting Russian interests."

http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/russias-american-coup/

I open to suggestions.

My best guess is that Russia fully expected Mrs. Clinton to win and just wanted to aggravate her by doing things to help Trump. Just like many Americans, Russia's leaders may think that a Trump presidency makes the U.S. a laughingstock, which makes Russia look better in comparison. Lastly, the Russian leaders may think that Trump would be more open to business deals than would Mrs. Clinton.

Whatever the reason, I find it laughable that some seem to think that Trump ran for president in order to help Russia. That seems equivalent to believing that Obama is a devout Muslim who was born in Kenya.

[TexasTiger 12,810]

27 minutes ago, Grumps said:

My best guess is that Russia fully expected Mrs. Clinton to win and just wanted to aggravate her by doing things to help Trump. Just like many Americans, Russia's leaders may think that a Trump presidency makes the U.S. a laughingstock, which makes Russia look better in comparison. Lastly, the Russian leaders may think that Trump would be more open to business deals than would Mrs. Clinton.

Whatever the reason, I find it laughable that some seem to think that Trump ran for president in order to help Russia. That seems equivalent to believing that Obama is a devout Muslim who was born in Kenya.

Did you look at the facts articulated about Trump adopting pro-Russian positions no other politician articulated and that did not seem to promote his candidacy? I don't see the basis for your analogy. The question isn't why Russia preferred Trump as much Trump's adopting pro Kremlin positions.

[homersapien 11,353]

3 hours ago, Grumps said:

My best guess is that Russia fully expected Mrs. Clinton to win and just wanted to aggravate her by doing things to help Trump. Just like many Americans, Russia's leaders may think that a Trump presidency makes the U.S. a laughingstock, which makes Russia look better in comparison. Lastly, the Russian leaders may think that Trump would be more open to business deals than would Mrs. Clinton.

Whatever the reason, I find it laughable that some seem to think that Trump ran for president in order to help Russia. That seems equivalent to believing that Obama is a devout Muslim who was born in Kenya.

Who thinks that? I missed it.

[TexasTiger 12,810]

Garry Kasparov– Verified account ‏@Kasparov63

I'm still waiting for Trump to say something about global affairs that hasn't literally been said first by the Kremlin. https://twitter.com/business/status/820762623167832064 …

[homersapien 11,353]

On 1/14/2017 at 5:22 PM, Grumps said:

My best guess is that Russia fully expected Mrs. Clinton to win and just wanted to aggravate her by doing things to help Trump. Just like many Americans, Russia's leaders may think that a Trump presidency makes the U.S. a laughingstock, which makes Russia look better in comparison. Lastly, the Russian leaders may think that Trump would be more open to business deals than would Mrs. Clinton.

Whatever the reason, I find it laughable that some seem to think that Trump ran for president in order to help Russia. That seems equivalent to believing that Obama is a devout Muslim who was born in Kenya.

That does nothing to address all of the close ties Trump and his entourage have with Putin.  There's something going on here.  I suspect there are hints in Trump's tax returns.

[Grumps 3,693]

7 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That does nothing to address all of the close ties Trump and his entourage have with Putin.  There's something going on here.  I suspect there are hints in Trump's tax returns.

I think Trump has ties with LOTS of people. That happens when you have a worldwide corporation.

What do YOU think is going on homer?

[homersapien 11,353]

4 minutes ago, Grumps said:

I think Trump has ties with LOTS of people. That happens when you have a worldwide corporation.

What do YOU think is going on homer?

I think he has lots of ties with Putin which are secret.

[TexasTiger 12,810]

Julia Davis–  ‏@JuliaDavisNews

#Russia's state TV is overjoyed about #Trump's commentary, counting days to his inauguration. Title of the segment: "Trump Slapped the West"

 

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38 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That does nothing to address all of the close ties Trump and his entourage have with Putin.  There's something going on here.  I suspect there are hints in Trump's tax returns.

Evidently you never had a problem with the Podesta Group. Who did such fine work for Modern Ukraine and Uranium One.

Who all profited from these entities?

Clinton Foundation? Yes!

Bill Clinton? Yes! $500,000 speech

Podesta? Yes! Sits on the board of the named group that his brother runs......He fact he was the founder....,.

[WDavE 332]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

That does nothing to address all of the close ties Trump and his entourage have with Putin.  There's something going on here.  I suspect there are hints in Trump's tax returns.

Evidently you never had a problem with the Podesta Group. Who did such fine work for Modern Ukraine and Uranium One.

Who all profited from these entities?

Clinton Foundation? Yes!

Bill Clinton? Yes! $500,000 speech

Podesta? Yes! Sits on the board of the named group that his brother runs......He fact he was the founder....,.

 

 

Before you ask..... Wall Street Journal

 

John Podesta and the Russians

When did Clinton’s top aide stop doing business with Moscow?

By

James Freeman

Oct. 23, 2016 6:42 p.m. ET

Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta has responded to the WikiLeaks publication of his private emails by suggesting they were stolen by the Russians to elect Donald Trump. What he doesn’t like to talk about is the business he’s done with a Kremlin-backed investment firm and the lengths he’s gone to avoid scrutiny of this relationship

[homersapien 11,353]

5 minutes ago, WDavE said:

Evidently you never had a problem with the Podesta Group. Who did such fine work for Modern Ukraine and Uranium One.

Who all profited from these entities?

Clinton Foundation? Yes!

Bill Clinton? Yes! $500,000 speech

Podesta? Yes! Sits on the board of the named group that his brother runs......He fact he was the founder....,.

 

 

Before you ask..... Wall Street Journal

 

John Podesta and the Russians

When did Clinton’s top aide stop doing business with Moscow?

By

James Freeman

Oct. 23, 2016 6:42 p.m. ET

Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta has responded to the WikiLeaks publication of his private emails by suggesting they were stolen by the Russians to elect Donald Trump. What he doesn’t like to talk about is the business he’s done with a Kremlin-backed investment firm and the lengths he’s gone to avoid scrutiny of this relationship

How does that change anything relating to what I posted?   Does it excuse the connections Trump has to Putin?

The Podesta deal reflects the wheeling/dealing done by people in positions of power.  It's dispiccable but it doesn't change a damn thing about Trump's bromance with Putin.  

It certainly doesn't explain or excuse why the Trump campaign removed the objections to a Russian takeover of the Ukraine from the Republican platform (for example). 

[homersapien 11,353]

I should also add that if anything about the Podesta uranium deal with Russia is illegal, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Same goes for Hillary Clinton.

Maybe this is something Sessions can do to demonstrate his commitment to the law.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

The Trump team only wanted one thing changed on the GOP platform and it was related to Russia. Russian ties from everyone to a campaign manager to cabinet picks to a lawyer on Trump's team. Intelligent reports, private servers linked back to Russia. There is too much evidence to dismiss the theory of a Trump/Putin connection. Funny how all those who raged on about how dangerous HRC's private email servers were are not bothered by actual evidence that Russia hacked to aid Trump. 

[TexasTiger 12,810]

6 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

The Trump team only wanted one thing changed on the GOP platform and it was related to Russia. Russian ties from everyone to a campaign manager to cabinet picks to a lawyer on Trump's team. Intelligent reports, private servers linked back to Russia. There is too much evidence to dismiss the theory of a Trump/Putin connection. Funny how all those who raged on about how dangerous HRC's private email servers were are not bothered by actual evidence that Russia hacked to aid Trump. 

Their driving principle was Hillary hate. "There'll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary." Lindsey Graham

Hasn't happened yet for some folks. Probably never will.

[WDavE 332]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

How does that change anything relating to what I posted?   Does it excuse the connections Trump has to Putin?

The Podesta deal reflects the wheeling/dealing done by people in positions of power.  It's dispiccable but it doesn't change a damn thing about Trump's bromance with Putin.  

It certainly doesn't explain or excuse why the Trump campaign removed the objections to a Russian takeover of the Ukraine from the Republican platform (for example). 

I would ask could you point to anything factual that Trump has undisclosed dealings with Russia? Yet, you point to it on every opportunity.

 

On the flip side, there are multiple examples of dealings the Clinton's and Podesta had with the same people and you produce/produced nary a word.

In Sept. of this year, the FBI warned Trump and Hillary that somebody was trying to hack into their system.

 

One group listened and the other didn't. Podesta got hacked because he answered back to an google inquiry that most 12 years know is not real. Like when a Windows error pops up on your computer and tells you to call this number for help.

 

Here is a couple of clues:

Microsoft won't even answer the phone when you call them  for help and the FBI is not watching your computer for what porn your viewing

 

 

 

[homersapien 11,353]

11 minutes ago, WDavE said:

I would ask could you point to anything factual that Trump has undisclosed dealings with Russia? Yet, you point to it on every opportunity.

First, I haven't said there has been any factual evidence of undisclosed dealing with Russia.  I think they are there, but they have not yet been revealed.  

How do you explain the many connections between the Trump administration and the Trump family with the Russians?

How do you explain Trump having the condemnation of Russia's attempts to absorb the Ukraine from the Republican platform?

How do you explain the open criticisms of NATO?

How do you explain the stubborn resistance Trump has exhibited to the facts they involved themselves in the election?

There's way too much smoke for there to be no fire.

[WDavE 332]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

First, I haven't said there has been any factual evidence of undisclosed dealing with Russia.  I think they are there, but they have not yet been revealed.  

How do you explain the many connections between the Trump administration and the Trump family with the Russians?

How do you explain Trump having the condemnation of Russia's attempts to absorb the Ukraine from the Republican platform?

How do you explain the open criticisms of NATO?

How do you explain the stubborn resistance Trump has exhibited to the facts they involved themselves in the election?

There's way too much smoke for there to be no fire.

I would ask could you point to anything factual that Trump has undisclosed dealings with Russia? Yet, you point to it on every opportunity.

 

On the flip side, there are multiple examples of dealings the Clinton's and Podesta had with the same people and you produce/produced nary a word.

In Sept. of this year, the FBI warned Trump and Hillary that somebody was trying to hack into their system.

 

One group listened and the other didn't. Podesta got hack because he answered back to an google inquiry that most 12 years know is not real. Like when a Windows error pops up on your computer and tells you to call this number for help.

 

Here is a couple of clues:

Microsoft won't even answer the phone when you call them  for help and the FBI is not watching your computer for what porn your viewing

 

 

 

[homersapien 11,353]

4 minutes ago, WDavE said:

I would ask could you point to anything factual that Trump has undisclosed dealings with Russia? Yet, you point to it on every opportunity.

 

On the flip side, there are multiple examples of dealings the Clinton's and Podesta had with the same people and you produce/produced nary a word.

In Sept. of this year, the FBI warned Trump and Hillary that somebody was trying to hack into their system.

 

One group listened and the other didn't. Podesta got hack because he answered back to an google inquiry that most 12 years know is not real. Like when a Windows error pops up on your computer and tells you to call this number for help.

 

Here is a couple of clues:

Microsoft won't even answer the phone when you call them  for help and the FBI is not watching your computer for what porn your viewing

 

 

 

 

First, I haven't said there has been any factual evidence of undisclosed dealing with Russia.  I think they are there, but they have not yet been revealed.  

How do you explain the many connections between the Trump administration and the Trump family with the Russians?

How do you explain Trump having the condemnation of Russia's attempts to absorb the Ukraine from the Republican platform?

How do you explain the open criticisms of NATO?

How do you explain the stubborn resistance Trump has exhibited to the facts they involved themselves in the election?

There's way too much smoke for there to be no fire.

[homersapien 11,353]

And I have already commented on Podesta:

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

I should also add that if anything about the Podesta uranium deal with Russia is illegal, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Same goes for Hillary Clinton.

Maybe this is something Sessions can do to demonstrate his commitment to the law.

 

[WDavE 332]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

First, I haven't said there has been any factual evidence of undisclosed dealing with Russia.  I think they are there, but they have not yet been revealed.  

How do you explain the many connections between the Trump administration and the Trump family with the Russians?

How do you explain Trump having the condemnation of Russia's attempts to absorb the Ukraine from the Republican platform?

How do you explain the open criticisms of NATO?

How do you explain the stubborn resistance Trump has exhibited to the facts they involved themselves in the election?

There's way too much smoke for there to be no fire.

1. You think there are so you post about it at every opportunity.

2. Name the connections! On staffer so far and he resigned.

3. Don't know the answer but everything you think is conjecture at this point.

4. What I heard was NATO isn't working and the other countries are not carrying their weight.

5. Two accounts got hacked. One didn't!

6. There has been smoke for 8 years or so that has been totally ignored.

 

 

By the way, the Clinton Global is laying off people and downsizing. Why would such and important foundation lose most of its donations now? Smoke?

[homersapien 11,353]

30 minutes ago, WDavE said:

1. You think there are so you post about it at every opportunity.

2. Name the connections! On staffer so far and he resigned.

3. Don't know the answer but everything you think is conjecture at this point.

4. What I heard was NATO isn't working and the other countries are not carrying their weight.

5. Two accounts got hacked. One didn't!

6. There has been smoke for 8 years or so that has been totally ignored.

 

 

By the way, the Clinton Global is laying off people and downsizing. Why would such and important foundation lose most of its donations now? Smoke?

1.  If you haven't noticed, this is one of the subjects dominating the news.  I am hardly alone.  And yes, I do think there is something we don't know.

2.  Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, Rex Tillerson, Wilbur Ross, Carter Page  http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/donald-trump-russia-vladimir-putin   Not to mention Ivana Trump hanging with Putin's reputed girlfriend: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/291465-ivanka-trump-vacationing-with-putins-rumored-girlfriend

3.  Yep.  Conjecture drawn up by a lot of circumstancial evidence and Trump's behavior.

4.  You heard wrong.  NATO is one of the backbones of US foreign policy and it has worked very well. There is absolutely no justification for weakening or abandoning it.  At least if you aren't acting in Russia's interests.

5.  I don't understand your point here.

6.  I don't understand this point either. 

And I have no idea what's going on with the Clinton Foundation.  What's been reported on it?

[homersapien 11,353]

By the way, you didn't mention Trump gutting the Republican position on the Ukraine in their platform.

What's up with that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.5e76abd1b178

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.....

 

[TexasTiger 12,810]

Why is Donnie lying about this?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-2015-interview-claims-he-met-putin

[AUUSN 823]

If only there was a document we could review that would put the issue to rest...