homersapien 11,367 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Damn, those Chinese are good! http://www.vox.com/2017/1/17/14299768/global-sea-ice-record-lows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 So, we've gone from Arctic / Antarctic now to ' global ' sea ice ? That's curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, AURaptor said: So, we've gone from Arctic / Antarctic now to ' global ' sea ice ? That's curious. That's efficiency in writing. Instead of the longer phrase "Arctic and Antarctic" sea ice, "global" covers them both with twelve fewer letters and two fewer words. The article itself discusses each polar region in turn, both of which are at record lows for this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaturdayGT 719 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Not trying to debunk anything, just wondering if some of you have put much research in sunspot activity? I heard a little about it on the radio, where the sun is going to go through a phase (it had a name, but I cant recall) in the next 7 or 8 years. Its supposedly a phase that we haven't seen since the 1600s during the mini ice age. It makes me wonder if sunspots have so much effect on our weather, how much could they be affecting the ice melt? Could we be going through a period of time where the sunspot activity is really high currently and we are about to see it drop off bigtime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Sorry, but the long saga of global climate and man's influence, if any at all, won't be known for centuries. Make up your mind already ? Goodie. Now, come to an action plan that doesn't involve punishing the winners only, while placating tyrants, communists and hard core eco-whackos ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,367 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 16 hours ago, SaturdayGT said: Not trying to debunk anything, just wondering if some of you have put much research in sunspot activity? I heard a little about it on the radio, where the sun is going to go through a phase (it had a name, but I cant recall) in the next 7 or 8 years. Its supposedly a phase that we haven't seen since the 1600s during the mini ice age. It makes me wonder if sunspots have so much effect on our weather, how much could they be affecting the ice melt? Could we be going through a period of time where the sunspot activity is really high currently and we are about to see it drop off bigtime? Here's a few articles related to the sun and global warming: https://www.skepticalscience.com/corrected-sunspote-history-cc-not-due-to-sun.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/Solar_temp_update.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-humans-not-sun-high-sensitivity.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Sun-Has-Cooled-So-Why-Are-The-Deep-Oceans-Warming.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/grand-solar-minimum-barely-dent-AGW.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/Solar-Cycle-Model-fails.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/climategate-2-in-context-solar-warming.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/aug/07/new-sunspot-analysis-shows-rising-global-temperatures-not-linked-to-solar-activity https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sun-spots-and-climate-change/ https://astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/ (Sorry for any redundancy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,367 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, AURaptor said: Sorry, but the long saga of global climate and man's influence, if any at all, won't be known for centuries. Make up your mind already ? Goodie. Now, come to an action plan that doesn't involve punishing the winners only, while placating tyrants, communists and hard core eco-whackos ? Thank you for that expert opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, homersapien said: Thank you for that expert opinion. So, there are no such plans for solving this imaginary " crisis " , which do not involve... yeah, didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 3 hours ago, homersapien said: Here's a few articles related to sunspots and global warming: https://www.skepticalscience.com/corrected-sunspote-history-cc-not-due-to-sun.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/Solar_temp_update.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-humans-not-sun-high-sensitivity.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Sun-Has-Cooled-So-Why-Are-The-Deep-Oceans-Warming.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/grand-solar-minimum-barely-dent-AGW.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/Solar-Cycle-Model-fails.html https://www.skepticalscience.com/climategate-2-in-context-solar-warming.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/aug/07/new-sunspot-analysis-shows-rising-global-temperatures-not-linked-to-solar-activity https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sun-spots-and-climate-change/ https://astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/ (Sorry for any redundancy.) No thanks Homer. If we tell you that man made global warming is our demise will you quit assigning this reading? PS - people like you scare snowflakes to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,367 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: No thanks Homer. If we tell you that man made global warming is our demise will you quit assigning this reading? PS - people like you scare snowflakes to death I wasn't "assigning" reading. I was providing a reading list for someone who asked an honest question. Sorry it offended you. A-hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, homersapien said: I wasn't "assigning" reading. I was providing a reading list for someone who asked an honest question. Sorry it offended you. You did not offend me Homer. just to much reading. Need to sleep tonight. lights out at nine and ride my bicycle for breakfast in the morning. I am an "environmental hero" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The NOAA announced 2016 was the warmest year on record. 3rd consecutive year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Record since when BB42? and what are we to do other than acknowledge AGW? Conservative views are not out trying to destroy mankind. Most live pretty "Green". Is the answer vote differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, Bigbens42 said: The NOAA announced 2016 was the warmest year on record. 3rd consecutive year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Saw an interesting show on Netflix, Secrets of the Universe, or some such. In the episode i saw, it talked about exo-planets, and the new ideas of how solar systems form. Among the big ideas , that planets migrate ! Seems gas giants ( Jupiter sized ) form fast and first, but then tend to work their way into the still young solar system, where they end up being super hot , as they settle into orbits closer to their star. What saved Jupiter from being in close to where Venus or Mercury are today ? Saturn. Seems they got tangled up ( so goes the thinking ) and both slung shot themselves to the orbits we see them in today. Which from all the exo-systems we've found so far, seems to be the exception, and less the rule. Point of all this ? We still have lots to learn. About everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, AURaptor said: Saw an interesting show on Netflix, Secrets of the Universe, or some such. In the episode i saw, it talked about exo-planets, and the new ideas of how solar systems form. Among the big ideas , that planets migrate ! Seems gas giants ( Jupiter sized ) form fast and first, but then tend to work their way into the still young solar system, where they end up being super hot , as they settle into orbits closer to their star. What saved Jupiter from being in close to where Venus or Mercury are today ? Saturn. Seems they got tangled up ( so goes the thinking ) and both slung shot themselves to the orbits we see them in today. Which from all the exo-systems we've found so far, seems to be the exception, and less the rule. Point of all this ? We still have lots to learn. About everything. Could this play into the Global Sea Ice reduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Could this play into the Global Sea Ice reduction? No. But it is a fantastic new look into the topic of solar systems, and as one who has studied geology and paleontology over my life, as well as science in general, it's the way the discipline of science often works. We THINK we have it all figured out, and then there's a wrinkle or a new discovery which can change things on their head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, AURaptor said: No. But it is a fantastic new look into the topic of solar systems, and as one who has studied geology and paleontology over my life, as well as science in general, it's the way the discipline of science often works. We THINK we have it all figured out, and then there's a wrinkle or a new discovery which can change things on their head. Interesting to study raptor but let me ask you? Is man capable of really understanding the solar systems? Can we understand infinity or eternity? Infinity and eternity are somewhat the same. Hard to grasp IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Interesting to study raptor but let me ask you? Is man capable of really understanding the solar systems? Can we understand infinity or eternity? Infinity and eternity are somewhat the same. Hard to grasp IMO. Sure we can. The solar system is hardly eternal or infinite, and we have a good grasp of the physics in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,792 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Bigbens42 said: Sure we can. The solar system is hardly eternal or infinite, and we have a good grasp of the physics in play. and the physics are? my understanding of infinity is no end. are we in a circle? my thinking is linear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Interesting to study raptor but let me ask you? Is man capable of really understanding the solar systems? Can we understand infinity or eternity? Infinity and eternity are somewhat the same. Hard to grasp IMO. We're still scratching the surface of our OWN solar system. Since we've found dozens of exo-systems, all wildly different than our own, and we literally JUST started looking, I'm sure our minds will be ever blown. Infinity / eternity ? No. I doubt we'll be able to truly grasp those concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: and the physics are? my understanding of infinity is no end. are we in a circle? my thinking is linear By definition the laws of physics always remain the same. The study of any model in physics presupposes the use of a single mathematical model. They wouldn't be laws of physics otherwise. Even then, the universe had been around for quite a while before our solar system came to be, and will still be here long after our friendly little main sequence star perched in the center winks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/17/2017 at 2:48 PM, homersapien said: Damn, those Chinese are good! http://www.vox.com/2017/1/17/14299768/global-sea-ice-record-lows Keep spewing that socialist propaganda crap homer ! You're always good at it. Keep on deceiving. Goebbels would be proud. You do know that the Antarctic was covered at one time by palms and other deciduous forests don't you and that the climate was temperate ? Or don't you ? What you cite is no "record". Furthermore, that temperate climate was not "man-caused" as the socialists like you would have us believe about "climate change". http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/29/science/science-watch-forest-at-south-pole.html "Dr. Edith L. Taylor, a research biologist at the Byrd Polar Research Center of Ohio State University and the main author of the study, said an analysis of growth rings in the tree fossils showed that the Antarctic in the Permian period was not freezing year round as had been thought, but instead had well-defined seasons. Furthermore, the absence of frost rings, the disruption of normal growth rings in the tree trunks caused by early fall or late-spring frosts, suggested that the temperature was rarely below freezing and that there were no unseasonable frosts, the researcher said." As Dr. Taylor further explains: " Based on climate simulations using physical rather than biological evidence, climatologists had estimated that temperatures in the Antarctic in the Permian period were 30 to 40 degrees below freezing in the winter and did not rise above freezing in the summer. Dr. Taylor said that using biological data like the fossil evidence, she estimated that the climatologists' figures were about 30 degrees too low." More info for those with the "record low" climate change mentality: http://www.seeker.com/drilling-discovers-ancient-antarctic-rainforest-1765906877.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaturdayGT 719 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The weather is pretty fascinating with all the variables involved. I watched a bit on how the moon is leaving us a little bit at a time each year. Since the moon is sort of tethered to the earth, the earth's rotation slows... Seems to me, that if the earths rotation slows, the more sun exposure a side will see heating the land up a little more. Of course, the other side will have more time to cool, but things heat up faster than they cool, so by that..if the moon leaves us a little each year, the earths overall tempature should heat up a little each year, right? I wonder if any scientists have made that connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Political science has a whole new meaning. There has to be an explanation other than the 10 tons of CO2 annually pumped into our atmosphere along with the simultaneous deforestation. I would believe anything before I believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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