AU64 10,122 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: The point of the design is the deformation of the shell takes the energy away from the hit so there isn't anything to transfer to the neck. It absorbs the blow vs trying to deflect it, which still passes on all of the energy from the part of the blow that isn't deflected. It works like crumple zones in a car. The objective is to burn off all of the energy by doing all of the damage BEFORE said energy from the blow can get to what is being protected. It's not going to do much more to protect the neck from a helmet to face mask or ear hole kind of hit, but it should do a lot for crown to crown, shoulder to crown, and the like kind of hits. It also should dramatically reduce concussion risk for any blow to the head. Yep....and IMO, an unfortunate side effect is that kids once again think they are not at risk of head injury (not thinking about neck) and will feel free to lower their head at the point of collision. BUT.....not sure what comes first....the idea that a helmet makes a player invulnerable...or that players think they are invulnerable and therefore need more protection. I watch a little rugby and Aussie rules football from time to time...and players sans helmets rarely lower their heads when contact is inevitable...have to tackled between knees and shoulders and it's still an exciting game with some serious contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, AU64 said: Yep....and IMO, an unfortunate side effect is that kids once again think they are not at risk of head injury (not thinking about neck) and will feel free to lower their head at the point of collision. BUT.....not sure what comes first....the idea that a helmet makes a player invulnerable...or that players think they are invulnerable and therefore need more protection. I watch a little rugby and Aussie rules football from time to time...and players sans helmets rarely lower their heads when contact is inevitable...have to tackled between knees and shoulders and it's still an exciting game with some serious contact. There are a lot of arguments that the equipment is directly to blame for the growing injury rate... the players feel less of the pain, so they feel free to hit harder and abandon technique that protects them. It's not uncommon... people are motivated by positive and negative stimuli. Take away the negative and the effort to prevent it fades away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: There are a lot of arguments that the equipment is directly to blame for the growing injury rate... the players feel less of the pain, so they feel free to hit harder and abandon technique that protects them. It's not uncommon... people are motivated by positive and negative stimuli. Take away the negative and the effort to prevent it fades away. It's a very good point. People like to talk about how tough the guys who used to play with leather helmets were. Ditto for rugby players. And they're right. But they didn't and don't collide the way the modern football player does because they aren't emboldened by their protective gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, McLoofus said: It's a very good point. People like to talk about how tough the guys who used to play with leather helmets were. Ditto for rugby players. And they're right. But they didn't and don't collide the way the modern football player does because they aren't emboldened by their protective gear. True, they aren't emboldened by protective gear...but they are not deterred by the lack of it either. Check this video....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heoO_5MvZ0w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, McLoofus said: It's a very good point. People like to talk about how tough the guys who used to play with leather helmets were. Ditto for rugby players. And they're right. But they didn't and don't collide the way the modern football player does because they aren't emboldened by their protective gear. That being said... those rugby guys are NUTS! I worked with a guy who played rugby... he could barely walk for 3 days after a match, and then a couple days after recovering, he'd be out there again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanFAN 1,665 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 You guys remember Auburn Alum Steve Wallace, 3 x Super Bowl Champ and 3 x All Pro. He was Lord Helmet before big helmets were cool, and no body told him he looked like a goober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, AU64 said: True, they aren't emboldened by protective gear...but they are not deterred by the lack of it either. 15 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: That being said... those rugby guys are NUTS! I worked with a guy who played rugby... he could barely walk for 3 days after a match, and then a couple days after recovering, he'd be out there again. They're definitely nuts. They're even nuts off the field. Their traditions are insane. And they're far tougher than normal human beings. Perhaps another way of saying it is that they're more likely to leave the field bleeding, but less likely to leave with neck/spinal trauma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 And of course there is Aussie Rules football....where LSU has been getting kickers perhaps? I think this is where guys who are too rough for Rugby end up. Saw several 15 yard penalties for head shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,972 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 A safety for the Bills. White guy, Kelso was his name I think. Used a similar helmet. http://www.profootballhof.com/news/kelso-s-helmet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUsince72 11,084 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I'm not sure why fans care about safety anyway... I ain't seen a fan yet who was hurt by a good football lick! Keep the players looking cool...with slick gear and nice uniforms. Don't ugly up the aesthetics with "dark helmet" safety silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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