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WarTiger    998

New Play:

Auburn/Clemson from several years ago.   Down and distance don’t matter here.  Auburn possession in Clemson territory.   Auburn throws a pass angled toward the sideline and inside the 5 yard line where Clemson intercepts the pass at the 1 and goes into the endzone by the pylon and out the side of the endzone.    Where is the ball spotted?
Answer:  1st and 10 for Clemson at their own 1 yard line.  Why?  Because by rule when a defensive player intercepts a pass or fumble or catches or recovers a kick and he is inside the 5 yard line and his momentum carries him into the endzone the ball comes out to the spot where he gained possession.  

See exception below
SECTION 5. Safety
How Scored
ARTICLE 1. It is a safety when:
a. The ball becomes dead out of bounds behind a goal line, except from
an incomplete forward pass, or becomes dead in the possession of a
player on, above or behind his own goal line, or becomes dead by rule,
and the defending team is responsible for the ball being there (A.R.
6-3-1-IV; A.R. 7-2-4-I; A.R. 8-5-1-I-II, IV and VI-X; A.R. 8-7-2-II;
and A.R. 9-4-1-VIII).
When in question, it is a touchback, not a safety.
Exception:
It is not a safety if a player between his five-yard line and his goal line:
(a) intercepts a pass or fumble; or recovers an opponent’s fumble or
backward pass; or catches or recovers a kick; and
(b) his original momentum carries him into his own end zone; and
(c) the ball remains behind his goal line and is declared dead in his
team’s possession there. This includes a fumble that goes from the
end zone into the field of play and out of bounds (Rule 7-2-4-b-1).
If conditions (a)-(c) are satisfied above, the ball belongs to this
player’s team at the spot where he gained possession.

 

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AU64    1,715
On 7/23/2017 at 2:40 PM, bigbird said:

So, if tje player has gotten past you, dive at their legs. Anything else will be a horsecollar....brilliant.

my takeaways from the changes:    1-  RBs are gonna love the new "horse collar" rule and 2-   they are tightening the noose around the kick-off return......and soon we will see offensive possessions at beginning of the game and after a score start with the ball on the 25 or 30..

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lkeel75    364
5 hours ago, WarTiger said:

New Play:

Auburn/Clemson from several years ago.   Down and distance don’t matter here.  Auburn possession in Clemson territory.   Auburn throws a pass angled toward the sideline and inside the 5 yard line where Clemson intercepts the pass at the 1 and goes into the endzone by the pylon and out the side of the endzone.    Where is the ball spotted?
Answer:  1st and 10 for Clemson at their own 1 yard line.  Why?  Because by rule when a defensive player intercepts a pass or fumble or catches or recovers a kick and he is inside the 5 yard line and his momentum carries him into the endzone the ball comes out to the spot where he gained possession.  

See exception below
SECTION 5. Safety
How Scored
ARTICLE 1. It is a safety when:
a. The ball becomes dead out of bounds behind a goal line, except from
an incomplete forward pass, or becomes dead in the possession of a
player on, above or behind his own goal line, or becomes dead by rule,
and the defending team is responsible for the ball being there (A.R.
6-3-1-IV; A.R. 7-2-4-I; A.R. 8-5-1-I-II, IV and VI-X; A.R. 8-7-2-II;
and A.R. 9-4-1-VIII).
When in question, it is a touchback, not a safety.
Exception:
It is not a safety if a player between his five-yard line and his goal line:
(a) intercepts a pass or fumble; or recovers an opponent’s fumble or
backward pass; or catches or recovers a kick; and
(b) his original momentum carries him into his own end zone; and
(c) the ball remains behind his goal line and is declared dead in his
team’s possession there. This includes a fumble that goes from the
end zone into the field of play and out of bounds (Rule 7-2-4-b-1).
If conditions (a)-(c) are satisfied above, the ball belongs to this
player’s team at the spot where he gained possession.

 

So this is based on his momentum taking him into the end zone, right?  What about a scenario where he intercepts it at the 1 and is trying to avoid the opposing team so he retreats into the end zone willingly?

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WarTiger    998
4 hours ago, lkeel75 said:

So this is based on his momentum taking him into the end zone, right?  Correct.  That's why I used the word AND his momentum carries him into the endzone. What about a scenario where he intercepts it at the 1 and is trying to avoid the opposing team so he retreats into the end zone willingly? 

The 2nd sentence would result in a safety.   A pass intercepted (or kick caught) from the 5 yard line to the goal line will either be a safety or return to the spot of the catch.   If momentum isn't responsible for him going into the endzone it will be a safety.  Those will never be touchbacks.   It has to be physically caught in the endzone and downed there (without coming out first) for it to be a touchback.  :) 

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WarTiger    998

New play here that illustrates the difference in penalty enforcement at the college level vs. the High School level.

3rd and 20 for the offense at their own 25. QB back to pass, pass is thrown to #81 at the 35 who is interfered with by defensive player #30. What's the distance penalty and what down will it be?

For College rules, since the penalty occurred less than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage, it's team A's ball 1st and 10 at the spot of the foul. IF the contact had been further than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage it would have been a 15 yard penalty and automatic first down.

For high school it’s a little different. The penalty for high school is 15 yards from the previous spot. But, beginning 2 years ago, it’s NOT an automatic first down any more. So, the play above, by federation rules it will be 3rd and 5 at their own 40

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WarTiger    998

Play:  Georgia/Nebraska:  Georgia runs a first down play from the opponents 10 yard line.  QB takes the snap from the shotgun formation and hands off to #22...he runs right parallel to the line of scrimmage, where he pulls up to throw the ball.  He is approx. 4 yards or so behind the LOS and right at the sideline.  Under heavy rush, he heaves the ball forward to save the lost yardage.  The ball just reaches the line of scrimmage. Do we have a penalty here of any kind and if so, what?

Answer:  INTENTIONAL GROUNDING - Loss of down at the spot of the foul.  Why?  While the player that threw the ball away was clearly outside the tackle box and the ball just barely reached the line of scrimmage (did not pass it), this rule only applies to the player that took the snap.  The announcers were questioning why they make that call because he was "outside the tackle box".  This is yet another example of how the announcers DO NOT know the rules.  NEVER listen to the announcers when it comes to rule interpretations.

f. The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1) after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after controlling the ball.
g. The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-II-VII).
h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-I).
[Exception: If the passer is or has been outside the tackle box he may throw the ball so that it crosses or lands beyond the neutral zone or neutral zone extended (Rule 2-19-3) (A.R. 7-3-2-VIII-X). This applies only to the player who controls the snap or the resulting backward pass.]

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