TitanTiger 20,472 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Quote On Russia related issues we find a certain degree of willful ignorance among Trump voters that can possibly best be summarized by this finding: only 45% of Trump voters believe Donald Trump Jr. had a meeting with Russians about information that might be harmful to Hillary Clinton...even though Trump Jr. admitted it. 32% say the meeting didn't happen and 24% say they're not sure. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 We've got some here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, alexava said: We've got some here. Exactly my thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,894 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 6 hours ago, TitanTiger said: Unfathomable. If our recent election polling taught us anything it should have at a minimum suggested being skeptical. "PPP is a Democratic company, no doubt. We do private polling for Democratic candidates............" Call me a skeptic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Trump really could murder someone and not lose followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said: Unfathomable. If our recent election polling taught us anything it should have at a minimum suggested being skeptical. "PPP is a Democratic company, no doubt. We do private polling for Democratic candidates............" Call me a skeptic. You take confirmation bias to a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,894 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: Trump really could murder someone and not lose followers. Oh good grief Elle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,828 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, AUFAN78 said: Oh good grief Elle. Said it himself. The rationalizations y'all would create would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,894 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 28 minutes ago, homersapien said: You take confirmation bias to a whole new level. So you know some of these people who reject the meeting took place? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,894 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Said it himself. The rationalizations y'all would create would be amazing. What? Jr made public the events of the meeting. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,828 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: What? Jr made public the events of the meeting. What are you talking about? Stay stupid. It's your sweet spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,419 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Meeting happened. DTj screwed the pooch talking and LYING about it. DJt may have even broken some laws about lying to the govt concerning his security clearance. All that really isnt up for grabs. So far the meeting appears to be about little to nothing. It was a campaign looking for dirt. Every pol in America does the same. Looks real bad. Is it impeachable for DT? Not even close. Public opinion may be shaky but the law is not. The law is the law. So far....many in the know say they havent seen anything. Looks and smells bad, but is it actionable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 We have uncovered so many contacts that took place between camp trump and Russians that were NOT disclosed even intentionally LIED about. Why do we believe them when they say what was discussed in these (harmless, legal, no big deal) meetings that they are hiding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 10 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: Unfathomable. If our recent election polling taught us anything it should have at a minimum suggested being skeptical. "PPP is a Democratic company, no doubt. We do private polling for Democratic candidates............" Call me a skeptic. It would be more accurate to call you a selective reader. From the page you quoted: Quote PPP's 'Bias' PPP is a Democratic company, no doubt. We do private polling for Democratic candidates and we were rooting hard for Obama. But that never had any impact on our polling results. I saw people on various GOP blogs always say they were going to add five points to the Republicans for any poll that we released, and as I said a couple of months ago, that's fine with me but if you let that shape your expectations you're going to be sorely disappointed on election day.So how much of a lean did our polls have? Based on the current numbers we overestimated Obama by a whooping one eighth of a point across our 16 final week polls. And I expect Obama's margins to increase in Oregon and Colorado as more returns come in from Multnomah and Boulder Counties respectively, so our bias may go down to zero or even a one eighth of a point McCain bias if the Democratic lead increases by a couple points in each of those states in the final analysis. Here's the data: State Final PPP Poll Current Results PPP Bias Nevada Obama +4 Obama +12 R+8 Pennsylvania Obama +8 Obama +11 R+3 Michigan Obama +13 Obama +16 R+3 Ohio Obama +2 Obama +4 R+2 Oregon Obama +15 Obama +16 R+1 North Carolina Obama +1 Obama +1 None Indiana Obama +1 Obama +1 None Florida Obama +2 Obama +2 None Missouri Tie Tie None West Virginia McCain +13 McCain +13 None Virginia Obama +6 Obama +5 D+1 New Mexico Obama +17 Obama +15 D+2 Georgia McCain +2 McCain +5 D+3 Colorado Obama +10 Obama +7 D+3 Montana Obama +1 McCain +3 D+4 Minnesota Obama +16 Obama +10 D+6 Average Obama +5.0625 Obama +4.9375 D+.125 http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2008/11/ppps-bias.html The same folks here who would dismiss this poll wouldn't bat an eye at accepting one from Fox News or Rasmussen for instance. The methodology is all that ultimately matters. And a good polling firm always releases the full results including the exact wording of the questions they ask. You can find that on this poll here: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_71817.pdf The question that was asked was this one: Q23 Do you believe that Donald Trump Jr. had a meeting with a Russian lawyer about information that might be harmful to Hillary Clinton, or not? It was asked well of the questions about who one voted for and party affiliation, which is the proper way to do a political poll in terms of order of questions. The question is not loaded or biased in and of itself, it's neutral in its wording. Sorry, but attacking the messenger just doesn't fly here. PPP has a solid reputation for accurate polling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 10 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: Oh good grief Elle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 11 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: So you know some of these people who reject the meeting took place? Doubtful. Which meeting? We have people who are denying collusion even after Trump Jr. confirmed it in his e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 10 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Meeting happened. DTj screwed the pooch talking and LYING about it. DJt may have even broken some laws about lying to the govt concerning his security clearance. All that really isnt up for grabs. So far the meeting appears to be about little to nothing. It was a campaign looking for dirt. Every pol in America does the same. Looks real bad. Is it impeachable for DT? Not even close. Public opinion may be shaky but the law is not. The law is the law. So far....many in the know say they havent seen anything. Looks and smells bad, but is it actionable? Fascinating And, "exhibit A". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,419 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 3 hours ago, alexava said: We have uncovered so many contacts that took place between camp trump and Russians that were NOT disclosed even intentionally LIED about. Why do we believe them when they say what was discussed in these (harmless, legal, no big deal) meetings that they are hiding? I DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. I am reading and listening to Diane Feinstein, Maxine Waters, some reporters, et al that say they have seen the evidence SO FAR and there is nothing actionable there.I am just repeating what others, many of them Democrats, have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,419 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, homersapien said: Which meeting? We have people who are denying collusion even after Trump Jr. confirmed it in his e-mails. SO, you say that DTj said "We are colluding with the Russians?" Man, you need your own cable news network... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, DKW 86 said: I DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. I am reading and listening to Diane Feinstein, Maxine Waters, some reporters, et al that say they have seen the evidence SO FAR and there is nothing actionable there.I am just repeating what others, many of them Democrats, have said. You don't believe who? Trump Jr.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, DKW 86 said: SO, you say that DTj said "We are colluding with the Russians?" Man, you need your own cable news network... Stop weaseling. Jr. said "I love it" when told the Russians had dirt on Hillary, then he said "It would be great if you timed it for a late summer release" (paraphrased). Now, what in hell does that sound like to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,419 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, homersapien said: Stop weaseling. Jr. said "I love it" when told the Russians had dirt on Hillary, then he said "It would be great if you timed it for a late summer release" (paraphrased). Now, what in hell does that sound like to you? A pol working an election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 25 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: A pol working an election... .......with a hostile foreign country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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