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2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Tex, looks like they are taking the proper highways. You have no clue and did not even read the article. 

The next step, a Department of Labor spokesman said, is that the two clubs must take steps to try to recruit American workers for these jobs. That often involves placing help-wanted ads in local newspapers and contacting former workers. If those efforts are unsuccessful, then Trump's clubs can ask for the Department of Labor to certify that it has tried and failed to hire Americans. After that, the Trump clubs can ask the Department of Homeland Security to issue visas for workers it has found in other countries.

Try building a section 8 facility anywhere. Or anything in south Florida. Elementary above. Ignorant.  

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56 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Tex, looks like they are taking the proper highways. You have no clue and did not even read the article. 

The next step, a Department of Labor spokesman said, is that the two clubs must take steps to try to recruit American workers for these jobs. That often involves placing help-wanted ads in local newspapers and contacting former workers. If those efforts are unsuccessful, then Trump's clubs can ask for the Department of Labor to certify that it has tried and failed to hire Americans. After that, the Trump clubs can ask the Department of Homeland Security to issue visas for workers it has found in other countries.

Try building a section 8 facility anywhere. Or anything in south Florida. Elementary above. Ignorant.  

Pay better, or quit demagoguing the issue. Quit being ignorant and carrying the water for hypocrites.

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Just now, TexasTiger said:

Pay better, or quit demagoguing the issue. Quit being ignorant and carrying the water for hypocrites.

Pay better meaning what Tex? Do you have a clue?

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11 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Interesting you're all for immigration.

I have always been for immigration. Have worked with several immigrants during my working career. Bad day in my life was letting a group go when finding they were illegal. 

Wish you would not make some statements. You are better than that.

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10 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

I have always been for immigration. Have worked with several immigrants during my working career. Bad day in my life was letting a group go when finding they were illegal. 

Wish you would not make some statements. You are better than that.

Hope you are better than you demonstrate here.

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11 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

I have always been for immigration. Have worked with several immigrants during my working career. Bad day in my life was letting a group go when finding they were illegal. 

Wish you would not make some statements. You are better than that.

So if we have to import waiters and dishwashers, should we raise minimum wage-- you know, supply and demand?

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21 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

So if we have to import waiters and dishwashers, should we raise minimum wage-- you know, supply and demand?

No, just cut welfare and other similar programs by 50% and we'll have plenty of dishwashers from among our native born.

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2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

No, just cut welfare and other similar programs by 50% and we'll have plenty of dishwashers from among our native born.

Mikey's done the math!!

It cost $200,000 just to join Mar a Lago-- Trump can afford to hire American. Quit defending the hypocrisy, Miley. 

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3 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Mikey's done the math!!

It cost $200,000 just to join Mar a Lago-- Trump can afford to hire American. Quit defending the hypocrisy, Miley. 

All that has nothing to do with the fact that were the give away programs to be cut drastically, the recipients would have to go to work and we'd once again have waiters and carpenters that were born in the USA.

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13 hours ago, Mikey said:

No, just cut welfare and other similar programs by 50% and we'll have plenty of dishwashers from among our native born.

And then some.... :-\

What a douchebag statement.

Cut support from half of those trying to exist at a subsistence level and we'll have all the dishwashers we need! (Assuming said people can commute to these jobs of course.)

Hope there's enough of them dish-washer jobs to go around!   

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Just now, Mikey said:

All that has nothing to do with the fact that were the give away programs to be cut drastically, the recipients would have to go to work and we'd once again have waiters and carpenters that were born in the USA.

If folks will come from other countries don't you think they'd come from other cities and states for good pay? These are extremely wealthy people. If it's not okay for companies to ship jobs overseas, why is it okay to import workers for low level jobs not requiring special skills? No way you defend a Dem on this. Ask your family to have you deprogrammed.

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You cant blame a rat for being a rat. He is what he is, and always has been. Why people couldnt see this 3 decades ago is far more bothersome.

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9 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Hope you are better than you demonstrate here.

 Never demonstrated being not "for immigration". Illegal immigration is what I do not approve of. 

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Just now, SaltyTiger said:

 Never demonstrated being not "for immigration". Illegal immigration is what I do not approve of. 

Are you for free trade? Should we allow immigration just to take American jobs for less? Should companies go overseas for cheaper labor? You good with all that, too?

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9 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

So if we have to import waiters and dishwashers, should we raise minimum wage-- you know, supply and demand?

Absolutely no to raising minimum wage. The construction industry pays well above minimum wage and look at the absence of American labor engaging there.    

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16 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Absolutely no to raising minimum wage. The construction industry pays well above minimum wage and look at the absence of American labor engaging there.    

You support importing workers for construction? You don't believe in supply and demand as it applies to labor?

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17 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

You support importing workers for construction? You don't believe in supply and demand as it applies to labor?

  In my experience immigrant workers were paid just as well at times better than our native workforce. My only experience with importing labor has been while working in markets with little labor market. We imported labor from other projects and put them up in hotels/apartments. Sad but true our American labor force stinks. I can not speak for other industries but I know the construction industry has no problem paying demand prices for competent labor.

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Trump has been a business man for 30 or more years.  Successful businessmen have gotten there by taking advantage of certain laws, opportunities and the labor force.  They need to keep their costs down and the easiest way of doing this is the labor force, just ask any union member in the US.  Their world is not a social experiment, their world is to make a profit.

As to the welfare issue; why would someone on welfare take a job that would "pay" them less than what they are "making" on welfare?  These jobs are priced in a way that will entice people that are greatful to get a job, not the ones that are looking not to work.  I know of people that will not work no more then 25 hours a week as to not affect their welfare status.  

I'm not sure how to get out of the mess we've created. I guess that's the fights the Dems and Republican have on a daily basis.  This article seems to be another in a line of getting the socialist leaning in this country all fired up and it's working. 

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Trump has been a business man for 30 or more years.  Successful businessmen have gotten there by taking advantage of certain laws, opportunities and the labor force.  They need to keep their costs down and the easiest way of doing this is the labor force, just ask any union member in the US.  Their world is not a social experiment, their world is to make a profit.

As to the welfare issue; why would someone on welfare take a job that would "pay" them less than what they are "making" on welfare?  These jobs are priced in a way that will entice people that are greatful to get a job, not the ones that are looking not to work.  I know of people that will not work no more then 25 hours a week as to not affect their welfare status.  

I'm not sure how to get out of the mess we've created. I guess that's the fights the Dems and Republican have on a daily basis.  This article seems to be another in a line of getting the socialist leaning in this country all fired up and it's working. 

^^^^^^good post.

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Their world is not a social experiment, their world is to make a profit...

...I'm not sure how to get out of the mess we've created. 

A start would be to rid ourselves of the notion that the only obligation a business owner has is to make profit.  It's obviously not to go out and be unprofitable, but there are more considerations than doing whatever I can possible do to make as much money as I can possibly squeeze out of others no matter what the costs, even if it's legal.

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1 minute ago, TitanTiger said:

A start would be to rid ourselves of the notion that the only obligation a business owner has is to make profit.  It's obviously not to go out and be unprofitable, but there are more considerations than doing whatever I can possible do to make as much money as I can possibly squeeze out of others no matter what the costs, even if it's legal.

Right. Trump ran against businessmen who thought like that. Now his supporters defend him for being one of those guys. Mind boggling hypocrisy.

 

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Trump has been a business man for 30 or more years.  Successful businessmen have gotten there by taking advantage of certain laws, opportunities and the labor force.  They need to keep their costs down and the easiest way of doing this is the labor force, just ask any union member in the US.  Their world is not a social experiment, their world is to make a profit.

As to the welfare issue; why would someone on welfare take a job that would "pay" them less than what they are "making" on welfare?  These jobs are priced in a way that will entice people that are greatful to get a job, not the ones that are looking not to work.  I know of people that will not work no more then 25 hours a week as to not affect their welfare status.  

I'm not sure how to get out of the mess we've created. I guess that's the fights the Dems and Republican have on a daily basis.  This article seems to be another in a line of getting the socialist leaning in this country all fired up and it's working. 

 

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21 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

A start would be to rid ourselves of the notion that the only obligation a business owner has is to make profit.  It's obviously not to go out and be unprofitable, but there are more considerations than doing whatever I can possible do to make as much money as I can possibly squeeze out of others no matter what the costs, even if it's legal.

Well Titan, the Chairman of the Board holds the CEO responsible for turning a profit so the stock holders are happy.  If the stock holder are not happy, the Chairman of the Board is not happy and heads will roll.  The CEO accepts the job knowing this, some are more ruthless than others, but the bottom line is profit.  If you cause my stock to go down, you're done is the attitude the public has, like it or not.  All the other stuff is just fluff to make the company's image look better and/or appease the employees.

Why are pharmaceuticals so expensive?  Do you thing it's because they have to pay for the research?  Why are utilities regulated by the government?  Do you think if the utilities were in a free market, the cost to the consumer would be the same?  Why do automobile manufactures use robots to build their cars?  Would it be cheaper to use manual labor for those jobs?

It's all about the profit.  How about health care and the problem we're having finding a solution?  If Obamacare is going to fail, one of the problems is the insurance companies will not provide coverage if they can't produce a profit.  Maybe they need to be deemed a ulitity, then we will be well on our way to a socialist government.

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