Jacobs' comments about investigation

[steeleagle 2,945]

18 minutes ago, FoundationEagle said:

Let's be clear here. Corey was fired way before any media fire storm ever started.  The media fire storm is from a disgruntled ex player doing what kids are taught to do these days. Sue somebody if you don't get your way and use any info you have on them to burn them as bad as possible so they are blackmailed into giving you your way.   

The administration had handled this months before the media firestorm was brought on by a spurned player.

Clint "retired" likely because the storm coming was unfair to him and the team and he did the right thing by stepping out. If you look at the actual facts we know for sure, his only participation in this whole thing is asking the team to go to bat for Corey BEFORE any facts came out. 

Ill acquiesce to any further proof that comes out, but until then and from what we know all people involved outside of Corey and the one girl acted appropriately until this Nameth lawyered up to try and get her way

My comments were not about the disgruntled player filing a Title IX complaint. I think her action is watered down because on one hand she is frustrated and wanted ALL coaches let go that allowed Corey to continue the relationship. On the other hand, she feels she was let go for speaking up, and wants reinstatement, which looks like a player scorned to many here.

My issue is sometimes those in power don't see the sense of urgency, which in many cases is what created the firestorm with the players. It was NOT just Nemeth who had issues with what was going on.

Meyers should never have been allowed to come back, if he broke university policy last fall. Then, none of the issues with Title IX or Clint losing his job would have occurred.

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

7 hours ago, FoundationEagle said:

So by this post, you expect

(1)Corey should have been fired based off of an anonymous complaint that when investigated came up empty with the backing of most of the team?

---that's not how any department in any business anywhere works

(2) JJ is now required to respond to every rumor Jay G Tate texts him about, especially in the middle of this mess?

---no way JJ shares any info he doesn't have to while this mess is being straightened out.  That's the same with any business any time any where

(3) When a player has property stolen and is threatening to press charges no one should say anything to them about the possible impending criminal charges?

---these girls could have literally been arrested and charged with theft of property, theft of intellectual property and possession of stolen property should the girl they stole them from have decided to officially press charges (which she was very likely threatening to do in an effort to get revenge)

(4) When there is severe evidence of collusion happening along with theft of property, it's not ok to gather the girls in a central location until they figure out what is happening?

---auburnphan has said very clearly this is exactly the way it happened

(5) JJ should have been fired for horrible men's sports 2 years after a football NC that we've only had 1 of in our previous entire history?

---no way in Hades he gets fired at that point regardless of what crazed "fans" want

(6) the Nameth complaint is someohow an indictment on JJ....

---it was filed well after Corey was fired. Watch her video interview. If you believe anything that girl says after that then you have as big of an axe to grind as she does.  She is very clearly on a mission to destroy someone who was never going to let her play because she wasn't good enough (which she without any evidence whatsoever turned into she wasn't playing because she wasnt sleeping with Corey.... she could face a counter suit for that outright lie)

(7) You blame JJ for this entire event and think he should be fired over it

--- JJ had nothing to do with this event other than firing Corey as soon as there verifiable evidence and firing Clint when the title IX investigation was going to go public even though if you look at all the facts, Clints only wrongdoing was standing up for his son BEFORE any proof came out. 

It astounds me how many proofless and baseless arguments are being made from AU "fans" even though the people on the inside have clearly rebuked them. Some "fans" don't want the truth.  They'd rather ignore prudent facts of the case and take the few bits and pieces they can twist into a witch hunt and harp on those things until they are blue in the face.  It never ceases to amaze 

1) Remember, at least some of those players on the team only backed Corey Meyers because Clint Meyers and another assistant coach told them to. I think Clint's actions in telling the players to "fight for Corey" should have been looked into. That could be viewed as trying to interfere or influence the investigation.

2) Yeah, a rumor....... lol  ........................ A rumor that was straight from the freaking softball head coaches' mouth while an Auburn SID was in the room when Clint Meyers was telling Jay G Tate about it ............... I guess Jay Jacobs doesn't care if the softball head coach is spreading rumors about a contract extension to Auburn beat writers.

3) The players on the team were treated as if they were the one's who caused all this when they were just trying to put a stop to something that nobody would believe until "proof" had been presented. I can't really blame them. They probably felt that was the only way to be believed. 

4) What about the collusion of the coaching staff to protect Corey Meyers? At what point are coaches held responsible for their actions(or lack thereof). Clint Meyers looks like a fool. He defended his son back in September only for the players to obtain evidence of an inappropriate relationship and for Corey to end up resigning in March. Remember it wasn't just one disgruntled player who had a problem with the relationship. There were 5 players that were told to delete the picture of the texts.

5). I care about all sports but especially the major sports. Two of the major men's sports have been mostly sub par during Jay Jacobs tenure. Those defending Jacobs by only pointing out 1 or 2 great seasons in football prove the point of why Jay Jacobs shouldn't be AD.  We ran an almost $1 million deficit in 2013 despite the football program having a great season. The football ticket issue that was exposed in 2015 should have enraged all fans. Jay Jacobs should have had to answer for that but didn't. Instead it quietly faded away and wasn't talked about again.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2015/10/03/auburns-football-ticket-woes-raise-major-questions/73315908/

 

6) Her complaint was about Clint Meyers actions in protecting his son. So what if Corey Meyers had resigned at the point, Clint Meyers actions were never dealt with and he was the one that tried to cover up his son's conduct by defending him and getting the team to defend him.

7) Jay Jacobs did everything he could to keep this from becoming public and on top of that his praise of Clint Meyers after his "retirement" should be looked at as Jay Jacobs trying to present a false picture of unity and influencing opinion of Clint Meyers.

Let's get back to the contract extension for a moment. Why would Jay Jacobs have any issue responding to a report of Clint Meyers contract extension if he was 100% in support of Clint Meyers?

If Clint Meyers is such a great guy and is just getting smeared why would he be lying about a contract extension? If there was never a contract extension in the works then that should cause people to question Clint Meyers credibility. Why would he lie about a contract extension? You can't have it both ways. You can't say Clint Meyers is innocent and being smeared but at the same time say Clint Meyers was lying about a contract extension.

[Mikey 16,565]

3 hours ago, steeleagle said:

(Corey) Meyers should never have been allowed to come back, if he broke university policy last fall. Then, none of the issues with Title IX or Clint losing his job would have occurred.

Last fall it wasn't known that he broke any policy. Last fall all anybody had was one or maybe two anonymous complaints that were disputed by a number of players that went to bat for Corey. You don't fire someone because of anonymous complaints, particularly when some of those that should have been affected disputed the complaints. As soon as there was verifiable evidence of mis-deed Corey was let go. I don't see what else could have been done.

[FoundationEagle 637]

7 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

1) Remember, at least some of those players on the team only backed Corey Meyers because Clint Meyers and another assistant coach told them to. I think Clint's actions in telling the players to "fight for Corey" should have been looked into. That could be viewed as trying to interfere or influence the investigation.

2) Yeah, a rumor....... lol  ........................ A rumor that was straight from the freaking softball head coaches' mouth while an Auburn SID was in the room when Clint Meyers was telling Jay G Tate about it ............... I guess Jay Jacobs doesn't care if the softball head coach is spreading rumors about a contract extension to Auburn beat writers.

3) The players on the team were treated as if they were the one's who caused all this when they were just trying to put a stop to something that nobody would believe until "proof" had been presented. I can't really blame them. They probably felt that was the only way to be believed. 

4) What about the collusion of the coaching staff to protect Corey Meyers? At what point are coaches held responsible for their actions(or lack thereof). Clint Meyers looks like a fool. He defended his son back in September only for the players to obtain evidence of an inappropriate relationship and for Corey to end up resigning in March. Remember it wasn't just one disgruntled player who had a problem with the relationship. There were 5 players that were told to delete the picture of the texts.

5). I care about all sports but especially the major sports. Two of the major men's sports have been mostly sub par during Jay Jacobs tenure. Those defending Jacobs by only pointing out 1 or 2 great seasons in football prove the point of why Jay Jacobs shouldn't be AD.  We ran an almost $1 million deficit in 2013 despite the football program having a great season. The football ticket issue that was exposed in 2015 should have enraged all fans. Jay Jacobs should have had to answer for that but didn't. Instead it quietly faded away and wasn't talked about again.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2015/10/03/auburns-football-ticket-woes-raise-major-questions/73315908/

 

6) Her complaint was about Clint Meyers actions in protecting his son. So what if Corey Meyers had resigned at the point, Clint Meyers actions were never dealt with and he was the one that tried to cover up his son's conduct by defending him and getting the team to defend him.

7) Jay Jacobs did everything he could to keep this from becoming public and on top of that his praise of Clint Meyers after his "retirement" should be looked at as Jay Jacobs trying to present a false picture of unity and influencing opinion of Clint Meyers.

Let's get back to the contract extension for a moment. Why would Jay Jacobs have any issue responding to a report of Clint Meyers contract extension if he was 100% in support of Clint Meyers?

If Clint Meyers is such a great guy and is just getting smeared why would he be lying about a contract extension? If there was never a contract extension in the works then that should cause people to question Clint Meyers credibility. Why would he lie about a contract extension? You can't have it both ways. You can't say Clint Meyers is innocent and being smeared but at the same time say Clint Meyers was lying about a contract extension.

(1) a dad asking players to stand up for his son at which point ZERO VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE WAS KNOWN OR HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO ANY EXTENT WHATSOEVER does NOT warrant an investigation unless you are an absolutely CRAZED fan looking for justice AFTER THE FACT

(2) His contract was likely in NEGOTIATION as he did NOTHING VERIFIABLE to actually get fired, BUT was put on hold due to the NEW media outrage

(3) were you in the room?  ALL ACCOUNTS only say they were told they could be prosecuted for the stolen property which is likely TRUE.  THEY WERE NEVER BLAMED FOR THE SITUATION.....EVER!

(4)  Where is there ANY evidence of collusion for a coverup?  Got ANY OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING IT UP BASED ON YOUR OPINION OF FACTS THAT SAY OTHERWISE?

(5) Your willingness to write off TWO NC Game appearances in the last 6 seasons (best run EVER) proves your intent. Your willingness to tie in bball (even though we now likely have the best coach we've EVER had in the sport and you have to admit that whether you like it or not) and baseball which have never been consistently good teams BEFORE JJ as reasons to fire him further prove you bias. Did you want all other ADs fired for those same reasons?

(6) Clint "defending" his son being "dealt with"?  Are you that delusional?  He only defended him MONTHS AND MONTHS BEFORE ANY EVIDENCE CAME OUT!  WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

(7) JJ was PROTECTING the students involved. It is 1,000,000 times better to protect them than to spread it to the media unnecessarily.  His job is not to make your JJ hate addiction satisfied but to protect them above everything, which HE DID. 

As for your final point, you've just summed up your entire case. I NEVER said Clint LIED. I said it was a rumor because no one in the AD had confirmed it.  Of course this is the same way you "answered" every question above so it seems less like an accident more like an intentional pattern. 

I apologize that your hate for JJ doesn't supersede the facts of this case.  Maybe one day you'll get your wish and JJ will actually do something wrong you can officially say is his fault. 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

2 hours ago, FoundationEagle said:

(1) a dad asking players to stand up for his son at which point ZERO VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE WAS KNOWN OR HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO ANY EXTENT WHATSOEVER does NOT warrant an investigation unless you are an absolutely CRAZED fan looking for justice AFTER THE FACT

(2) His contract was likely in NEGOTIATION as he did NOTHING VERIFIABLE to actually get fired, BUT was put on hold due to the NEW media outrage

(3) were you in the room?  ALL ACCOUNTS only say they were told they could be prosecuted for the stolen property which is likely TRUE.  THEY WERE NEVER BLAMED FOR THE SITUATION.....EVER!

(4)  Where is there ANY evidence of collusion for a coverup?  Got ANY OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING IT UP BASED ON YOUR OPINION OF FACTS THAT SAY OTHERWISE?

(5) Your willingness to write off TWO NC Game appearances in the last 6 seasons (best run EVER) proves your intent. Your willingness to tie in bball (even though we now likely have the best coach we've EVER had in the sport and you have to admit that whether you like it or not) and baseball which have never been consistently good teams BEFORE JJ as reasons to fire him further prove you bias. Did you want all other ADs fired for those same reasons?

(6) Clint "defending" his son being "dealt with"?  Are you that delusional?  He only defended him MONTHS AND MONTHS BEFORE ANY EVIDENCE CAME OUT!  WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

(7) JJ was PROTECTING the students involved. It is 1,000,000 times better to protect them than to spread it to the media unnecessarily.  His job is not to make your JJ hate addiction satisfied but to protect them above everything, which HE DID. 

As for your final point, you've just summed up your entire case. I NEVER said Clint LIED. I said it was a rumor because no one in the AD had confirmed it.  Of course this is the same way you "answered" every question above so it seems less like an accident more like an intentional pattern. 

I apologize that your hate for JJ doesn't supersede the facts of this case.  Maybe one day you'll get your wish and JJ will actually do something wrong you can officially say is his fault. 

1) But it was Clint Meyers asking for the players to "fight for Corey" that led him to coming back. If the players didn't "fight for Corey" then he wouldn't have come back. That's a fact. Multiple former players have corroborated that Clint told them to "fight for Corey". 

2) It's amazing that you and several others have been eager to shoot down the contract extension thing as a rumor and that it wasn't on the agenda for the board of trustees yet after lecturing me about speculating, you turn around and speculate that the contract extension was put on hold because of media outrage. 

3) The players on the team refused to get on the bus on the trip to Georgia if the player involved in the relationship with Corey Meyers got on the bus. Then after the Georgia series a former player said that Clint Meyers told the players that they "betrayed the family". They may not have been blamed by Meredith Jenkins but according to the former players comments, they were treated as if they were at fault for it from the coaches.

I'd also say people bashing Alexa Nemeth on here as well as former players that have spoken out against the Meyers have absolutely been blamed for the media outrage. People are more outraged about the former players speaking out than they are about Corey Meyers conduct and Clint Meyer's role about what he knew despite no facts to support Clint.

4) The university put out a statement indicating that staff changes were made as a result of the investigation. We know Corey Meyers resigned because of it but that's only 1 change. The word used in the statement by the university was change(s).

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"While the law requires us to protect the privacy of our students, tying our hands about what can be said publicly, there is a reason changes took place with the coaching staff. As much as we may want to give more details, we have been approached by some of the student-athletes involved, directly asking us to protect them because they don't want their names made public. Once the facts were established, changes to the staff quickly followed."

 

5) Your willingness to give Jay Jacobs a pass for all of his failures by grasping at 2 great seasons in football out of his 12+ year tenure despite all the other major programs being at the bottom of the league during his tenure say that's all you care about from an AD.  As long as we have an occasional great football season then you're happy with the performance of the athletic department overall.  I don't think most AD's at other schools are judged based off of 1 or 2 great seasons in football.. They're judged by the performance of all their major programs.

Here's how some are viewing Jacobs record: 

Jay Jacobs is awesome because of 2 great seasons in football

The football ticket shenanigans - Pass
Major sports programs being at the bottom of the conference the last 12+ years - Pass
Running a $1 million deficit in 2013, despite using that season as positive for Jay Jacobs - Pass
 

6) Clint was telling reporters on April 6  he would welcome Corey back "in a heartbeat" despite Corey resigning a week earlier on March 30. He absolutely knew at that point about the evidence against Corey. Yet was still DEFENDING him.............

7) The universities unwillingness to admit that a contract extension was indeed agreed to in principle with Clint Meyers makes me at least question why Auburn officials would  come out and say that the contract extension was not on the board of trustees agenda?

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Multiple reports "suggested" Myers and Auburn had agreed to a contract extension through 2023, but multiple Auburn officials requesting anonymity confirmed to the Montgomery Advertiser that a new contract for Myers “never went to and was nevergoing to be on a future (board of trustees) agenda."

Were they trying to mislead folks into thinking the contract extension reported in July was just a rumor or a lie? Why didn't they just correct the record and either admit there was a contract extension agreed to in principle or deny that a contract extension was ever in the works? Instead they just spin the report of the contract extension in July  by saying it was never going to be on a future agenda.

I don't think it's hard to believe that we're not getting the complete truth from the university but instead getting damage control type statements that are only fueling more questions and speculation..........

[PowerOfDixieland 3,226]

12 hours ago, FoundationEagle said:

I apologize that your hate for JJ doesn't supersede the facts of this case.  Maybe one day you'll get your wish and JJ will actually do something wrong you can officially say is his fault. 

You've got a serious hard on for Jacobs.  Personally attacking anybody that wants to hold the AD accountable.  That's hate or drunkenness or whatever other childish insult you can come up with?  I can only assume you have nothing invested.  Classroom time?  Field time?  TUF?  Anything?  The only apology you should make is that you have no requisite for excellence within the Auburn athletic administration.  If Nemeth doesn't come forward Jacobs and crew does nothing, Clint Myers is still the head man and gets the contract extension.  In every sport we have these huge swings from top of the world to complete train wreck.  Except for basketball where we've been completely relegated to hardwood Siberia in spite of that gleaming $86 million arena.  And if there is any whisper of of an issue in that program it won't take any time for everybody to remind us all that this same guy hired a coach whose last stop ended in a three year show cause penalty.  Inconsistency (and dishonesty) in the AD's office is not the cornerstone of greatness no matter how many words you peck out in defense of your guy on this forum.

[AU9377 4,918]

On 8/29/2017 at 4:49 PM, keesler said:

In all of this, you never mentioned that Clint rallied the troops to fight for Corey back in the fall - did that happen or are the girls lying?  

You make it sound like Clint did his job and immediately informed the AD with the information from the text messages about the inappropriate relationship.......So why did Clint decide to retire to spend time with his family & grandkids?  

At the end of the day, we've lost 2 of the best coaches this program has ever employed, and so far  3 players, one of which was the #1 player and leader of the team?

You are talking about two different events.  In the fall of 2016, Clint did ask that the members of the team that supported Corey go and lobby for his reinstatement.  That was in response to anonymous ethics complaints over which no supporting evidence was ever established.  The text messages were uncovered March 30, 2017, and he immediately resigned.

[steeleagle 2,945]

6) Clint was telling reporters on April 6  he would welcome Corey back "in a heartbeat" despite Corey resigning a week earlier on March 30. He absolutely knew at that point about the evidence against Corey. Yet was still DEFENDING him.............

I know that I didn't want Clint Meyers to be involved with this....as he brought so much to these softball players that they never had before at Auburn. He created an atmosphere of fun and winning, that it made getting tickets impossible, and made the Admin make plans to remodel the field so more fans could watch them play. That will never be taken from him I hope.

...BUT.. for him to say on April 6 what he did, tells me he was certainly acting more like a father, than looking out for what should have been MOST important to him..his softball players. 

I would have understood him much more, if he had said his son had made mistakes, that he did not agree with, that his son was punished, but as a father...he would always be there for him.  If it's proven his son acted inappropriately with any softball player...Coach Meyers should have never said he would welcome him back "in a heartbeat"....

[FoundationEagle 637]

6 hours ago, PowerOfDixieland said:

You've got a serious hard on for Jacobs.  Personally attacking anybody that wants to hold the AD accountable.  That's hate or drunkenness or whatever other childish insult you can come up with?  I can only assume you have nothing invested.  Classroom time?  Field time?  TUF?  Anything?  The only apology you should make is that you have no requisite for excellence within the Auburn athletic administration.  If Nemeth doesn't come forward Jacobs and crew does nothing, Clint Myers is still the head man and gets the contract extension.  In every sport we have these huge swings from top of the world to complete train wreck.  Except for basketball where we've been completely relegated to hardwood Siberia in spite of that gleaming $86 million arena.  And if there is any whisper of of an issue in that program it won't take any time for everybody to remind us all that this same guy hired a coach whose last stop ended in a three year show cause penalty.  Inconsistency (and dishonesty) in the AD's office is not the cornerstone of greatness no matter how many words you peck out in defense of your guy on this forum.

AU athletics has profited $60 MILLION dollars since JJ took over, Clint Meyers has STILL had NOTHING proven he did wrong. You don't get fired for 1 comment that is not even verified and because someone else did something bad....

basketball is now better than it will have ever been and was a train wreck over almost the entire history of AU athletics (and I love how you throw Pearl right under the bus with JJ, kinda proves my entire point)

if Nameth doesn't come "forward" with her mostly shown false accusations then Clint had (1) done nothing to get fired and (2) would not have said screw this and left

name a time in history when our athletics top to bottom has had more consistent success than now. Just one decade. Name it. Please. 

As far as my "investment"?  Yes I went to Auburn, no I didnt play sports for AU urn. As if that is even remotely relevant. 

You want "excellence" in the athletic program?  $60 million in profit and no NCAA trouble regardless of how many times our enemies tried to bury us for false accusations.... multiple sports programs having the best runs in our history of over 100 years...top 15 football program since the year 2000 http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/list/top-college-football-programs-since-2000-usc-ohio-state-alabama-usc-lsu-oklahoma-fsu-florida-texas/bpakpul856761v4xn7bn8zshw/slide/4

Top 20 most dominant athletic departments

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dominant-college-sports-programs-2016-11/#18-auburn-university-13

looks like your idea of excellence is a little out of touch. It's fine to desire for more, but the head hunting is absurd

[slot canyon 1,332]

Article from AL.com Sept. 8....James Crepea.  It does not indicate that Corey Myers was questioned, only the student athlete.  Of course we do not know the wording of the anonymous allegation.

 

Auburn University: Title IX office was “unable to confirm” initial allegations against Corey Myers

Auburn University's Title IX office launched an investigation into former associate head softball coach Corey Myers after anonymous allegations were submitted in Sept. 2016, but was "unable to confirm it because the individual involved denied the allegations," according to a statement from the school.

Auburn released its most detailed statement to date on Friday to explain aspects of the timeline of the investigation into Corey Myers, who resigned on March 30. Auburn's statement confirmed "improper text messages" between Corey Myers and a player led to his departure.

"AA/EEO investigated an anonymous report concerning inappropriate activity on the softball team in September 2016, but AA/EEO was unable to confirm it because the individual involved denied the allegations. We understand the reluctance of the student-athlete to initially go on record given the circumstances surrounding the allegation.

"In this case, the combination of an anonymous report, the individuals denial, and absence of other corroboration made verification very difficult. No University can or should take action against someone on the basis of an anonymous report, especially one that is denied by the individuals involved.

 

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Corey put out a statement that he 'resigned' to spend more time with his family.  JJ said he respected what Corey had done.  This was an attempt by the Athletic Department to sweep the issue under the rug.  If he was fired, say he was fired for conduct unbecoming a coach.  But JJ didn't say that.

Similarly, Clint was allowed to issue a statement that he had 'retired.'  If he was fired, say he was fired for conduct unbecoming a a coach.  JJ instead issued a laudatory statement about the levels to which Clint had taken softball, and was another attempt by the Athletic Department to sweep the issue under the rug.

This revisionist history that both coaches were fired once the facts were know does not line up with the statements at the time.  All was not buttercups and dewberries, though the Athletic Department wanted me to think that.  I don't like being lied to, especially by those in who I put my trust.  I've been ambivalent about JJ for years as people railed against him, but I an now certain that it is time for him to go, regardless of the results on the Birmingham law firm investigation.