AUApostle 7,636 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, AUTiger25 said: Other than getting Chip away from Gus, could this also mean quiet Hand's input and let him focus more on his o-line? Our OL was getting whipped every play...then camera pans to them in the 2nd half on the sideline...just sitting there watching the D w/ no teaching going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFanAU 586 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, austudnt23 said: Oh you are positive ok then. Things were not made clear like they were after saturday. Long time lurker, really appreciate the good info from this site and the fact that GGM has kept Auburn clean, scandal-free, and out of the bad news. But as stubborn as CGM has proven to be, I can only assume the PTB must have used strong language and told him he'd be fired in order for it be "made clear" this time. Either way, I'm feeling that this is not a very good situation if we're having to tell our head coach to stay out of coaching when he's supposed to be an offensive specialist. I can't imagine USCe telling Muschamp to stay out of the defensive play-calling. Lastly, what is the contingency plan if in fact Gus falls back into play-calling? I see some saying 50/50 chance he complies. Would it be Steele as interim? Borges? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 2,457 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, TigerFanAU said: Would it be Steele as interim? Borges? Borges has never been a HC. I would say Steele, but you know what? If Borges let Chip run his show and left Steele alone, we have an immediate upgrade. Also you don't burden Steele with all the HC crap. I vote Borges because he is wise enough to not meddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,292 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Saban dictated the way he wanted his program run and removed anyone that disagreed with it. He explicitly and in great detail explained how it was to be done. He then showed how he wanted it handled. He now runs the team as the CEO with everyone in step with his ideas. He does not need to meddle. Its being done his way each and every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
around4ever 4,139 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, TigerFanAU said: Long time lurker, really appreciate the good info from this site and the fact that GGM has kept Auburn clean, scandal-free, and out of the bad news. But as stubborn as CGM has proven to be, I can only assume the PTB must have used strong language and told him he'd be fired in order for it be "made clear" this time. Either way, I'm feeling that this is not a very good situation if we're having to tell our head coach to stay out of coaching when he's supposed to be an offensive specialist. I can't imagine USCe telling Muschamp to stay out of the defensive play-calling. Lastly, what is the contingency plan if in fact Gus falls back into play-calling? I see some saying 50/50 chance he complies. Would it be Steele as interim? Borges? TIA You are generous thinking the chances are 50/50 that he complies. Gus does not listen to anybody about his offense. He knows better than anybody that his offense is unstoppable IF everybody executes perfectly and the defense does what he thinks they are going to do. The problem here is his offense is not unstoppable, everybody doesn't execute perfectly every play and defenses have had 7 years to figure out how to stop it. But Gus does not understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 2,457 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, around4ever said: You are generous thinking the chances are 50/50 that he complies. Gus does not listen to anybody about his offense. He knows better than anybody that his offense is unstoppable IF everybody executes perfectly and the defense does what he thinks they are going to do. The problem here is his offense is not unstoppable, everybody doesn't execute perfectly every play and defenses have had 7 years to figure out how to stop it. But Gus does not understand this. He has wandered so far from his original philosophy, it is unrecognizable. There is no HUNH to press defensive linemen, or pressure with creative short routes or midlevel passes. We throw a bubble screen and ???? See what I mean? No timing passes, no TE. You can't compare Gus today to Gus in 2013 or earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger25 29 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Beaker said: He has wandered so far from his original philosophy, it is unrecognizable. There is no HUNH to press defensive linemen, or pressure with creative short routes or midlevel passes. We throw a bubble screen and ???? See what I mean? No timing passes, no TE. You can't compare Gus today to Gus in 2013 or earlier. And it is very odd how much he changed. Going from putting up 600+ yards against Bama in 2014 to this. What happened Gus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFanAU 586 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Beaker said: Borges has never been a HC. I would say Steele, but you know what? If Borges let Chip run his show and left Steele alone, we have an immediate upgrade. Also you don't burden Steele with all the HC crap. Just like many of us, I'm certain the PTB see the great talent we have this year in all 3 phases of the game. Would hate to waste the talent this year when we have a real shot! I certainly do not want to speculate, but it was stated that it was "made clear" this time and was wondering in what way it was made clear to Gus and if he doesn't comply, then what is the timetable and fall back plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle79 3,569 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, AUTiger25 said: What happened Gus? Jeremy Johnson happened. And JF3 did not turn into Nick Marshal 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger25 29 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, oracle79 said: Jeremy Johnson happened. And JF3 did not turn into Nick Marshal 2.0 But he was still able to game plan to the strengths of Chris Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 2,457 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, oracle79 said: Jeremy Johnson happened. And JF3 did not turn into Nick Marshal 2.0 If Gus can only win with the likes of Cam and the athleticism of Nick Marshal, he is done. Those guys were JC transfers and almost nobody gets players like that. A decent coach can adapt his scheme to his avail talent and it is crystal clear Gus is incapable of such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austudnt23 1,432 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, auburnphan said: not sure what is with the attitude, but I have been told this and it comes from the opposite side that your sources are on I believe. Wasn't an attitude but that was not a fact. He wasn't blatantly told before the season to keep out of offense playcalling. It was suggested let Chip do his job and now things changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone4jc 2,237 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I want to see how good Clemson ' s defense is against Louisville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austudnt23 1,432 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, doverstutts said: You just used Saban as an example, sooooooooo, lets compare the "coaching family tree" concerning the two, Saban and Malzahn. Who has the experience to fall back on?. And at what levels of the game?.....See the difference? I wasn't comparing them on coaching levels just the background in coaching. Gus has an offensive background so naturally he would want some input on offense. Sabanan is the same on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUJedi 243 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I have a great opinion on this thread but at this point I'm not ready to make that call and give it just yet at this point in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austudnt23 1,432 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, tbone4jc said: I want to see how good Clemson ' s defense is against Louisville. I wouldn't compare what they are able to do against the reigning Heisman trophy winner who will be the fastest man on the field and will be able to run around and get away from the rush something stidham tried but wasn't successful. I expect LJ to have a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone4jc 2,237 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm not expecting them to shut Louisville down but if Jackson goes for 500 + total yardage then I will start to worry if the naysayers are on to something about CGM and his coaching abilities. I am a staunch believer in CGM but my faith is starting to waver TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 16,957 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, austudnt23 said: I wouldn't compare what they are able to do against the reigning Heisman trophy winner who will be the fastest man on the field and will be able to run around and get away from the rush something stidham tried but wasn't successful. I expect LJ to have a good game. At least better than us with less overall talent.....Jackson probably will give them enough in the first quarter that we could have won the game with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doverstutts 1,643 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Clemson is not as good as ya'll are giving them credit for being. just watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick.AU 13,268 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Kinda funny Florida fans have been clamoring for JM to take playcalling away from their OC, and they announced he will be moving to the press box. We're clamoring for our HC to actually let our OC call plays, so we send our OC to the press box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82be 14,363 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, AUTiger25 said: But he was still able to game plan to the strengths of Chris Todd. No pressure on him with Chris Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,800 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Maverick.AU said: Kinda funny Florida fans have been clamoring for JM to take playcalling away from their OC, and they announced he will be moving to the press box. We're clamoring for our HC to actually let our OC call plays, so we send our OC to the press box. It really makes more sense for the OC to call plays from the press box. He has a better view of what the entire offense is doing, and what the opposing defense is doing to counter. If you have to analyze and make calls in real time, the vantage point is much better than the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick.AU 13,268 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Strychnine said: It really makes more sense for the OC to call plays from the press box. He has a better view of what the entire offense is doing, and what the opposing defense is doing to counter. If you have to analyze and make calls in real time, the vantage point is much better than the sideline. I was really just picking fun that we are doing the same thing but that our issue is the opposite of florida's. Lol I really should have added "shouldn't we send Gus to the press box then?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doverstutts 1,643 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Maverick.AU said: "shouldn't we send Gus to the press box then?" lol, that is not even close to being far enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82be 14,363 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, doverstutts said: Clemson is not as good as ya'll are giving them credit for being. just watch Agree but we can be pretty sure they will get better, the ongoing question is will Auburn? I think I might be even more upset about Saturday night if Auburn does not lose until Alabama. Knowing that Clemson was a winnable game but losing has made me be more skeptical about Gus than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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