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12 hours ago, alexava said:
  1. I did miss the first post. However I feel you still deflected being wrong and spreading fake news with simply the news changing without your knowledge. If Jerry Jones said anything other than being glad or proud that his entire team stood for the anthem a year ago, I would appreciate a link. I have seen nothing except that same bs letter with either his or the Chiefs owner's name on it. Jerry knelt hand to hand with his team tonight. I give him huge credit. It was just before the anthem and flag was presented. It was a genius way to show your team you got their back AND support the military. This s*** don't have to be so damn divisive. Listen the the Pittsburg Lineman go on for about fifteen minutes explaining himself and his team's feelings on this. Their is a way for everyone to be contempt if folks would get their heads out of their asses. It's called listening and being empathetic EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE. For the first time tonight I watch Kapernick's explanation last year. No hate no anger, no disrespect intended to the military or anyone else. I was moved and felt guilty for the words I had about him earlier. I suggest you( everyone ) check it out. In case anyone missed it I was raised by a LEO and many of my very best friends are cops on different levels. I support Law Enforcement over 99% of the time. I actually feel this whole police mistreatment of minorities is overblown. But I AM NOT A MINORITY. The fact so many black people feel this way, that makes it a problem, a real problem for ALL OF US. I can't support riots, looting or violence for any reason and support shutting that s*** down as aggressively as needed. I will not complain about people peacefully kneeling again. 

 

Kaepernick's big lie:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/25/dinesh-dsousza-colin-kaepernicks-big-lie.html

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It's freedom of speech. The right has spent the last two years screaming "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES!" Welp, looks like the left doesn't have a monopoly on snowflakery!

(To be clear, neither does the right.)

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That article, like many others from Fox, was full of crap.  Anybody with half a brain understands the shift in philosophy that occurred with both the Democrats and Republicans which started in the late 1800s and continued into the 1970s.  

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51 minutes ago, HVAU said:

That article, like many others from Fox, was full of crap.  Anybody with half a brain understands the shift in philosophy that occurred with both the Democrats and Republicans which started in the late 1800s and continued into the 1970s.  

You're asking too much. Half a brain is gifted today. At least on FB. 

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2 hours ago, AUwent said:

It's freedom of speech. The right has spent the last two years screaming "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES!" Welp, looks like the left doesn't have a monopoly on snowflakery!

(To be clear, neither does the right.)

I'm getting sick of everyone saying it's free speech. Yes, we have free speech on our own time, but when you're on the clock at work, you don't necessarily have freedom of speech. If I were a server in a restaurant, I couldn't go up to a table and start telling them my White Supremecists points of view and not get fired because of "free speech." Why can't people understand that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence?

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1 hour ago, HVAU said:

That article, like many others from Fox, was full of crap.  Anybody with half a brain understands the shift in philosophy that occurred with both the Democrats and Republicans which started in the late 1800s and continued into the 1970s.  

A serious question: does anyone know a news agency that doesn't have some sort of agenda? Fox News caters to Bible thumping simpletons and CNN caters to dildo toting, bong smoking socialists. Even websites like Politfact are biased.

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I think some are worse than others, but, in general, I think it's best to read multiple sources and see which ones seem to represent the facts accurately on a consistent basis.

 

The two you mentioned are biased.  However, I think Fox more consistently misrepresents the facts.

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36 minutes ago, caleb1633 said:

Why can't people understand that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence?

I think we all do.  The NFL appears to be lenient at this time on these players voicing their discontent with how this president regards what the players consider serious injustice in their communities.  

Trump is constantly throwing out incendiary comments aimed at somebody or other.  He seems to enjoy exercising his free speech in ways that aren't productive at his workplace as well.

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14 minutes ago, HVAU said:

I think we all do.  The NFL appears to be lenient at this time on these players voicing their discontent with how this president regards what the players consider serious injustice in their communities.  

Trump is constantly throwing out incendiary comments aimed at somebody or other.  He seems to enjoy exercising his free speech in ways that aren't productive at his workplace as well.

I agree. I think if he quit tweeting, people would shut up and let him do his job. But I think he also likes creating chaos. He's like Littlefinger in Game of Thrones, but more overt in how he creates chaos.

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1 hour ago, caleb1633 said:

I'm getting sick of everyone saying it's free speech. Yes, we have free speech on our own time, but when you're on the clock at work, you don't necessarily have freedom of speech. If I were a server in a restaurant, I couldn't go up to a table and start telling them my White Supremecists points of view and not get fired because of "free speech." Why can't people understand that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence?

So are you okay with a business firing an employee for expressing conservative viewpoints? For the record I was strongly against Milo's Twitter ban.

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10 minutes ago, AUwent said:

So are you okay with a business firing an employee for expressing conservative viewpoints? For the record I was strongly against Milo's Twitter ban.

Maybe ... but if Liberal viewpoints will get you fired at same company as well and if the actors knew it, I won’t think too much of it. Evenhandedness is key.

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3 hours ago, AUwent said:

So are you okay with a business firing an employee for expressing conservative viewpoints? For the record I was strongly against Milo's Twitter ban.

I am ok if they fire them for doing it ON THE JOB. Not in their free time. If the NFL wants to stand against wearing cleats commemorating police officers who died, they need to do the same for kneeling during the National Anthem. Keep politics to yourself on the clock. Off the clock, say what you will, but also don't be pissed if someone punches you in the face for being a White Supremecist or something.

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7 hours ago, caleb1633 said:

I'm getting sick of everyone saying it's free speech. Yes, we have free speech on our own time, but when you're on the clock at work, you don't necessarily have freedom of speech. If I were a server in a restaurant, I couldn't go up to a table and start telling them my White Supremecists points of view and not get fired because of "free speech." Why can't people understand that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence?

It is not understood by people on the right and left. Not sure if it is a selective understanding or real ignorance. It keeps you from being arrested and charged with a crime. That is all. i don't recall a true threat to free speech other than the current POTUS threatening the media in quite a while.

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6 minutes ago, alexava said:

It keeps you from being arrested and charged with a crime. That is all.

I think this sums it up perfectly. You are still subject to every other consequence which can occur based on what is being said.

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17 hours ago, caleb1633 said:

A serious question: does anyone know a news agency that doesn't have some sort of agenda? Fox News caters to Bible thumping simpletons and CNN caters to dildo toting, bong smoking socialists. Even websites like Politfact are biased.

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Standing, kneeling, laying down or back flipping during the national anthem are staged acts. In the end the NFL owners and players always navigate toward the Jerry McGuire motto, which is their #1 objective.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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On 9/29/2017 at 4:08 PM, creed said:

Standing, kneeling, laying down or back flipping during the national anthem are staged acts. In the end the NFL owners and players always navigate toward the Jerry McGuire motto, which is their #1 objective.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!

This.  It's not a free speech issue, a disrespect the flag, military, country, or police issue.  It's an economics issue ... thus, a business issue.  All professional sports are in the entertainment business.  The NFL collectively depends upon fans to be consumers of tickets to the games, team merchandise, NFL Ticket and watch the games on cable TV or regular broadcast TV and consume the products of corporate sponsors.  If the NFL pisses off the audience that "consumes" the product they're selling ... well then, that seems like a very short-sighted business practice which will eventually be detrimental to their bottom line.  It's almost as if they've ignored the lesson of another set of entertainers who pissed off their audience -- the Dixie Chicks.  Live & learn. 

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5 hours ago, AUloggerhead said:

This.  It's not a free speech issue, a disrespect the flag, military, country, or police issue.  It's an economics issue ... thus, a business issue.  All professional sports are in the entertainment business.  The NFL collectively depends upon fans to be consumers of tickets to the games, team merchandise, NFL Ticket and watch the games on cable TV or regular broadcast TV and consume the products of corporate sponsors.  If the NFL pisses off the audience that "consumes" the product they're selling ... well then, that seems like a very short-sighted business practice which will eventually be detrimental to their bottom line.  It's almost as if they've ignored the lesson of another set of entertainers who pissed off their audience -- the Dixie Chicks.  Live & learn. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/01/fox-sports-anthem-coverage

Fox Sports will no longer air the National Anthem. Hopefully this will encourage their message to go elsewhere. Titan can call these people that boycotted due to protests,  “butthurt nancies,” but they’re the only people that actually put their money where their mouth was. Gotta give them credit. 

At least Fox understands the business side of things. 

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6 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/01/fox-sports-anthem-coverage

Fox Sports will no longer air the National Anthem. Hopefully this will encourage their message to go elsewhere. Titan can call these people that boycotted due to protests,  “butthurt nancies,” but they’re the only people that actually put their money where their mouth was. Gotta give them credit. 

At least Fox understands the business side of things. 

Awesome! Way to go Fox! Take away their stage and see how long their autrausities last. Now we just need the other networks (NBC, ESPN, CBS, and NFL Network) to follow suit. One network pulling the plug will stop some of it, but we need all of them together to stop all of it.

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On 9/26/2017 at 7:33 PM, Proud Tiger said:

We need more law makers like this guy.

http://timespolice.com/?p=574

Fire up that righteous indignation PT.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-sits-talks-through-song-lowering-the-flag-at-military-base-amid-nfl-anthem-controversy/article/2637296

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2 hours ago, HVAU said:

False equivalence. Intentionally kneeling during the Anthem as a response to perceived slights is different than not knowing the proper procedures during military song.

Trump was literally on the set during the retreat. What makes you think it’s protocol to stop the interview to finish the retreat even if he knew? 

This is actually pretty weak.

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6 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

False equivalence. Intentionally kneeling during the Anthem as a response to perceived slights is different than not knowing the proper procedures during military song.

Trump was literally on the set during the retreat. What makes you think it’s protocol to stop the interview to finish the retreat even if he knew? 

This is actually pretty weak.

Of course it's weak.  Just like the anthem kneeling hubbub from Trump.

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16 minutes ago, HVAU said:

Of course it's weak.  Just like the anthem kneeling hubbub from Trump.

The direction the NFL owners are taking is headed toward making the players stand for the Anthem. The bottom line isn’t going away any time soon either, but okay ?

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