Basketball Probe

[boomstick 1,315]

21 minutes ago, Tiger said:

Maybe some secondary violations? I mean Frankie was a video coordinator, right? So not sure what he could be involved in. And I'm not sure what Jordan V's responsibilities were. 

I’m thinking it had something to do with the self-reported recruiting violations we showed during the Wiley reinstatement process. 

[AlaskanFAN 1,665]

Here is the list of Adidas clients. The ones in BOLD are expected to play in the field of 64, (Except Indiana, aTm, Rutgers, AZ St. & Miss St. they are highlighted because they are big school names).

((Miss St. women’s program on the other hand will be going to the field of 64 for sure)).

COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS SPONSORED BY ADIDAS

Akron Zips

Arizona State Sun Devils

Arkansas State Red Wolves

Bradley Braves

Brown Bears

Bucknell Bison

Cal State Bakersfield Roadrunners

Central Arkansas Bears and Sugar Bears

Central Michigan Chippewas

Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

Denver Pioneers

Detroit Titans

Drake Bulldogs

Duquesne Dukes

East Carolina Pirates

Eastern Illinois Panthers

Eastern Michigan Eagles

Eastern Washington Eagles

FIU Panthers

Florida Atlantic Owls

Florida Tech Panthers

George Mason Patriots

Georgia Southern Eagles

Grand Valley State Lakers

High Point Panthers

Holy Cross Crusaders

Hope Flying Dutchmen

Howard Payne Yellow Jackets

Indiana Hoosiers

Iona Gaels

Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Kansas Jayhawks

Kennesaw State Owls

Kentucky Christian Knights

Lewis Flyers

Lindenwood Lions

Longwood Lancers

Louisiana Tech Bulldogs and Lady Techsters

Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns

Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks

Louisville Cardinals

Lyndon State Hornets

Maine Black Bears

Mercer Bears

Miami (OH) RedHawks

Miami Hurricanes

Milwaukee Panthers

Mississippi State Bulldogs

Missouri State Bears and Lady Bears

Morgan State Bears

Mount Olive Trojans

NC State Wolfpack

Nebraska Cornhuskers

Newberry Wolves

Nicholls State Colonels

NJIT Highlanders

Northern Illinois Huskies

Northern Kentucky Norse

Northwest Missouri State Bearcats

Occidental Tigers

Ohio University Bobcats

Omaha Mavericks

Presbyterian Blue Hose

Quinnipiac Bobcats

Rhode Island Rams

Rice Owls

Rider Broncs

Rutgers Scarlet Knights

Sacramento State Hornets

Sacred Heart Pioneers

San Jose State University Spartans

SIU Edwardsville Cougars

South Dakota Coyotes

Southeastern Louisiana Lions

Southern Utah Thunderbirds

St. Bonaventure Bonnies

Texas A&M Aggies

Texas A&M-Corpus Christi Islanders

Texas State Bobcats

Texas-Arlington Mavericks

Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros

The Citadel Bulldogs

Troy Trojans

Tulsa Golden Hurricane

UC Davis Aggies

UC Irvine Anteaters

UC Merced Golden Bobcats

UC Riverside Highlanders

UIC Flames

UMass Minutemen and Minutewomen

UNC Asheville Bulldogs

UNCW Seahawks

Utah Valley Wolverines

UTSA Roadrunners

Vermont Catamounts

Weber State Wildcats

West Alabama Tigers

West Chester Golden Rams

Western Carolina Catamounts

Western Michigan Broncos

Winthrop Eagles

Wofford Terriers

[boomstick 1,315]

The other side to this whole scandal is the NCAA's involvement. The NCAA makes almost all of their money off of one event, The NCAA Tournament. So they stand to gain significantly if these storied programs continue their success and perennially make the NCAAT. The NCAA has also known for years about the AAU circuit, the shoe companies' involvement in college basketball, and the seedy underbelly of college basketball because it's been reported on and violations from those areas have been committed numerous times. Yet, they've done very little to stop it or regulate it. Now, the NCAA is faced with a situation where, reportedly, a number of their headline programs could come under fire for various violations of NCAA rules. And they may be forced into significantly penalizing some of the very teams they've counted on over the years to make them money. IMO the NCAA is just as complicit, even if not directly implicated. 

[lionheartkc 6,150]

16 minutes ago, boomstick said:

The other side to this whole scandal is the NCAA's involvement. The NCAA makes almost all of their money off of one event, The NCAA Tournament. So they stand to gain significantly if these storied programs continue their success and perennially make the NCAAT. The NCAA has also known for years about the AAU circuit, the shoe companies' involvement in college basketball, and the seedy underbelly of college basketball because it's been reported on and violations from those areas have been committed numerous times. Yet, they've done very little to stop it or regulate it. Now, the NCAA is faced with a situation where, reportedly, a number of their headline programs could come under fire for various violations of NCAA rules. And they may be forced into significantly penalizing some of the very teams they've counted on over the years to make them money. IMO the NCAA is just as complicit, even if not directly implicated. 

 I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was well known within the NCAA but so wide spread that they just looked the other way because they knew if they took down one team, it would create a ripple effect that could effectively destroy the sport.

 

[boomstick 1,315]

2 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

 I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was well known within the NCAA but so wide spread that they just looked the other way because they knew if they took down one team, it would create a ripple effect that could effectively destroy the sport.

 

If that's the case, how does the NCAA punish anyone involved? And if they do and it can somehow be proven the NCAA knew and did nothing previously, doesn't that open them up to lawsuits? As bad as this might get for some schools, it seems the group in the worst position right now is the NCAA.

[AU64 10,122]

19 minutes ago, boomstick said:

The other side to this whole scandal is the NCAA's involvement. The NCAA makes almost all of their money off of one event, The NCAA Tournament. So they stand to gain significantly if these storied programs continue their success and perennially make the NCAAT. The NCAA has also known for years about the AAU circuit, the shoe companies' involvement in college basketball, and the seedy underbelly of college basketball because it's been reported on and violations from those areas have been committed numerous times. Yet, they've done very little to stop it or regulate it. Now, the NCAA is faced with a situation where, reportedly, a number of their headline programs could come under fire for various violations of NCAA rules. And they may be forced into significantly penalizing some of the very teams they've counted on over the years to make them money. IMO the NCAA is just as complicit, even if not directly implicated. 

JMO but taking out a few of the blue bloods is not likely to hurt the NCAA revenue much from the basketball tournament.      I can see the argument about NCAA's lack of force on the issue ....but don't know that UK or Louisville and some of the big boys missing the tournament this year will matter much from a $$ standpoint.     Lots of good schools ready to play and TV money will be the same.

In fact it they don't clean up the sport when they have a legitimate chance, the future could be less bright for basketball. 

[boomstick 1,315]

2 minutes ago, AU64 said:

JMO but taking out a few of the blue bloods is not likely to hurt the NCAA revenue much from the basketball tournament.      I can see the argument about NCAA's lack of force on the issue ....but don't know that UK or Louisville and some of the big boys missing the tournament this year will matter much from a $$ standpoint.     Lots of good schools ready to play and TV money will be the same.

In fact it they don't clean up the sport when they have a legitimate chance, the future could be less bright for basketball. 

Yeah, it's not so much the removal of 2-3 blue bloods as much as it would be the NCAA forcing the vacation of 25 teams that appeared in this year's tournament or something along those lines. How do they handle that and deal with the ramifications of that? How does that affect the appearance and value of their product? At some point, the evidence the FBI has gathered will be made public, and the NCAA will likely have to act equally across the board, regardless of the name of the school involved. Can they deal with that kind of transparency? 

[TigerOne 1,138]

well well well,  Thamel and Finebaum are now on the anti Pearl when will he be fired band wagon. Got to build the distraction before the uat game and crush Auburn's success in the media. They both think Bruce will be fired and wonder when. Thamels Yahoo article never mentioned Auburn, but that's the main focus  fartbaum wanted to bring up.

Of course Auburn hater thamel surprised Bruce is still coaching. No facts just their opinion.

When Bruce is here next year these hacks should be sued for slander. Why they are allowed to spread

hate, innuendo, and rumors is beyond me.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 hour ago, boomstick said:

If that's the case, how does the NCAA punish anyone involved? And if they do and it can somehow be proven the NCAA knew and did nothing previously, doesn't that open them up to lawsuits? As bad as this might get for some schools, it seems the group in the worst position right now is the NCAA.

The great conundrum that is the NCAA... they have no oversight, and they have limited power if a school wants to stand up to them (see North Carolina).

[TigerOne 1,138]

1 hour ago, lionheartkc said:

 I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was well known within the NCAA but so wide spread that they just looked the other way because they knew if they took down one team, it would create a ripple effect that could effectively destroy the sport.

 

they had to know, so they are guilty. If they say they didn't that's no excuse, they tell head coaches that.

The ncaa needs to be dismantled which would dismantle the updyke empire as well

[lionheartkc 6,150]

12 minutes ago, TigerOne said:

they had to know, so they are guilty. If they say they didn't that's no excuse, they tell head coaches that.

The ncaa needs to be dismantled which would dismantle the updyke empire as well

I honestly don't know why the schools put up with them. I know I wouldn't want to be under the thumb of an organization that has no oversight and the structure of which I have no control over... especially one that controls something as divisive and passionate as sports.

[gr82be 14,401]

8 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

The great conundrum that is the NCAA... they have no oversight, and they have limited power if a school wants to stand up to them (see North Carolina).

NCAA= No Cahoonas At All. You're correct in that it depends greatly on who has done the wrong. Fairness like this...

[augolf1716 21,093]

2 hours ago, boomstick said:

I think a lot of this “new information” revolves around Andy Miller, an NBA agent, and the shoes companies (and their school intermediaries). I don’t believe any of that would involve Bruce or Auburn. Where it may get to Auburn is down the line with AAU teams. I know one Nike AAU organization had documents seized, and a few Auburn players played there. 

I also think it’s important to know who is the source of the info. If this is coming from someone in the FBI, it could be really legit. If it’s coming from one of the prosecutors in one of these cases, they could be blowing some smoke to force a little fear and hopefully get other people to come forward. 

Either way, I don’t think Auburn is out of the woods by any stretch, but I’m not sure this latest revelation directly involves Auburn or Person or Pearl. 

Auburn is a long ways from being out of the woods. Just gotta keep fingers crossed 

[AU64 10,122]

29 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

I honestly don't know why the schools put up with them. I know I wouldn't want to be under the thumb of an organization that has no oversight and the structure of which I have no control over... especially one that controls something as divisive and passionate as sports.

Do you understand what the NCAA is?

The NCAA is the schools...schools are voluntary members of the organization and representatives of the schools run the organization...elect the board, hire the executives ....the whole dang show...     

NCAA is not some unrelated 3rd party...it's Auburn and Alabama and about 300 other universities and colleges...all of whom have a choice to be a member and a voice in how it's run.  NCAA has oversight from the colleges and universities.   The problem is .....NCAA is just a huge educational bureaucracy with all the inefficiencies of our national education system magnified by a factor of several hundred.

If it's crap, it is because Auburn and the several hundred other schools allow it to be crap.   

[steeleagle 2,945]

35 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Auburn is a long ways from being out of the woods. Just gotta keep fingers crossed 

So what is still in the 'woods' that could still get Auburn?  Or is that just a feeling because more 'bad stuff' is coming down the road for basketball in general?

I haven't seen or heard anything other than what we already know, and the FBI and Auburn acted on....

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Just now, AU64 said:

Do you understand what the NCAA is?

The NCAA is the schools...schools are voluntary members of the organization and representatives of the schools run the organization...elect the board, hire the executives ....the whole dang show...     

NCAA is not some unrelated 3rd party...it's Auburn and Alabama and about 300 other universities and colleges...all of whom have a choice to be a member and a voice in how it's run.  NCAA has oversight from the colleges and universities.   The problem is .....NCAA is just a huge educational bureaucracy with all the inefficiencies of our national education system magnified by a factor of several hundred.

If it's crap, it is because Auburn and the several hundred other schools allow it to be crap.   

I totally understand what it is. It's grown WAY beyond the schools. While all member schools get some level of a voice, the organization is not beholden to anyone other than itself. And yes, while you have the option to leave, they have a stranglehold on the lucrative aspects of college athletics, so to do so would be to walk away from the money because there is no other league out there for you to join that has the influence over the money.

That's why I said I can't believe the universities put up with it. IF they would band together, and that's a big IF, they could make changes, but with so many voting members and no one to really police the day-to-day operations, it's become a quagmire. Honestly, it's not a whole lot different than our government that was conceived to be of the people, by the people, and for the people, but has long since developed it's own agendas.

[The Plainsman 948]

7 hours ago, augolf1716 said:

Auburn is a long ways from being out of the woods. Just gotta keep fingers crossed 

I think we are on a trail out of the woods however instead of trying to bushwhack our way out.  

[augolf1716 21,093]

58 minutes ago, steeleagle said:

So what is still in the 'woods' that could still get Auburn?  Or is that just a feeling because more 'bad stuff' is coming down the road for basketball in general?

I haven't seen or heard anything other than what we already know, and the FBI and Auburn acted on....

Just got to wait until everything is released not saying we will get slammed but there is still a lot of stuff out there. We're talking almost a years worth of guys wearing wires and wiretaps. I also think some blue blood coaches are nervous

[AU64 10,122]

2 hours ago, augolf1716 said:

Just got to wait until everything is released not saying we will get slammed but there is still a lot of stuff out there. We're talking almost a years worth of guys wearing wires and wiretaps. I also think some blue blood coaches are nervous

They probably have their underlings do the dirty work....but these days, NCAA dose not accept that as an excuse.....well, unless you are in Chapel Hill....or Tuscaloosa perhaps....but otherwise.....not a very good defense any more. 

[AU_Tiger_88 417]

So what laws were broken?  I haven't kept up with it...I can see avoiding taxes but is it not a capitalistic society where someone can be paid to sign with an agent of a shoe company post college career?  I can see where the NCAA has their panties in a wad but it wasn't about getting kids to a school but post school career and what you were going to wear while in  the NBA.  Now if it was about going to a particular school I can see a NCAA violation but still can't see what law was broken....I am sure you could probably always go after a tax violation but am not that sure...any help?

[BJCrawford 1,568]

8 hours ago, TigerOne said:

well well well,  Thamel and Finebaum are now on the anti Pearl when will he be fired band wagon. Got to build the distraction before the uat game and crush Auburn's success in the media. They both think Bruce will be fired and wonder when. Thamels Yahoo article never mentioned Auburn, but that's the main focus  fartbaum wanted to bring up.

Of course Auburn hater thamel surprised Bruce is still coaching. No facts just their opinion.

When Bruce is here next year these hacks should be sued for slander. Why they are allowed to spread

hate, innuendo, and rumors is beyond me.

Thamel makes me sick. I’m surprised someone hasn’t decked the guy yet. Finebaum cant stand any success at Auburn. I did not see the show (I refuse to watch the Saban loving Jerk) but read about it. I also read where Pearl is on game day Saturday and was asked about it. (Airing the interview on game day)I’m thinking he doesn’t say much and they just published that as a tease. I am hoping against hope that he makes it through this. I’m wondering how bad it would have to be to fire him. In other words could there be minor violations that only result in a few game suspension? 

[lionheartkc 6,150]

55 minutes ago, AU_Tiger_88 said:

So what laws were broken?  I haven't kept up with it...I can see avoiding taxes but is it not a capitalistic society where someone can be paid to sign with an agent of a shoe company post college career?  I can see where the NCAA has their panties in a wad but it wasn't about getting kids to a school but post school career and what you were going to wear while in  the NBA.  Now if it was about going to a particular school I can see a NCAA violation but still can't see what law was broken....I am sure you could probably always go after a tax violation but am not that sure...any help?

That's one of the big question. Several lawyers are arguing no laws were broken. In the case of Person, the original word was they were trying to get him for defrauding Auburn with his actions.

[AU64 10,122]

7 hours ago, lionheartkc said:

That's one of the big question. Several lawyers are arguing no laws were broken. In the case of Person, the original word was they were trying to get him for defrauding Auburn with his actions.

Maybe bribery?  He got indicted for something..  So, go find the charges that got him put in the slammer...and gosh sakes, a defense lawyer always says his murderous little client didn't do it.?

[Mikey 16,545]

I don't see how Pearl is in any jeopardy with the NCAA unless they choose to really push the "Head coach is responsible for all" idea. Even then, Auburn gained no competitive advantage from this. In Auburn's case at least, it's not, or shouldn't be, a concern of the NCAA other than the eligibility of the two players. It hasn't been that long ago that a bammer football player took money from an assistant coach, got caught, paid the money back and all was forgotten. Shouldn't that thinking apply?

[aujeff11 6,243]

It’s so Auburn to have a clout of uncertainty during all of our great seasons. I wish we could enjoy our rise to the top as a basketball program and not worry about losing the most popular coach in Auburn. Again, so Auburn.