gr82be 14,423 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, bigbird said: Is it about time to move this to another board? Maybe a Ouija board to find out what really happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I was just beginning to enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DAG said: Anything Nick Saban. I am sure you are completely against the Mark Emmert character evaluation in regards to Michigan State If your whole basis is character assissination is bad period, then I shouldn’t see you judge a single person ever again on this forum. You're right, I'm probably too hard on Saban, since I don't know him, but the worst I've said about him is that he's a jerk... I'd argue that is far from character assassination... certainly a far cry from labelling someone a pervert. I have numerous time stated that he probably has nothing to do, personal with the illegal actions that go on with Bama recruiting. As for Emmert, saying he should be held accountable for knowing about heinous acts and not doing anything about it has absolutely nothing to do with character assassination. You're a smart guy. I'm sure you understand the difference judging an action and character assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,976 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 8 hours ago, lionheartkc said: You're right, I'm probably too hard on Saban, since I don't know him, but the worst I've said about him is that he's a jerk... I'd argue that is far from character assassination... certainly a far cry from labelling someone a pervert. I have numerous time stated that he probably has nothing to do, personal with the illegal actions that go on with Bama recruiting. As for Emmert, saying he should be held accountable for knowing about heinous acts and not doing anything about it has absolutely nothing to do with character assassination. You're a smart guy. I'm sure you understand the difference judging an action and character assassination. Do you know Saban personally ? Then you shouldn’t judge him. Just like you don’t want us judging Lester for his heinous act. Fair is fair. I don’t know what you think a pervert is, but a grown man looking at teenagers in an inappropriate manner is perverted. You are a smart guy . You should be able to distinguish what is perversion and what isn’t . I think you are on an island all alone on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 12 hours ago, bigbird said: Is it about time to move this to another board? Spoil sport. But ok. It was just beginning to get fun for me. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DAG said: Do you know Saban personally ? Then you shouldn’t judge him. Just like you don’t want us judging Lester for his heinous act. Fair is fair. I don’t know what you think a pervert is, but a grown man looking at teenagers in an inappropriate manner is perverted. You are a smart guy . You should be able to distinguish what is perversion and what isn’t . I think you are on an island all alone on this one. Simple logic should be in play here but obviously with Lion it is not. I don't doubt Lion is probably a smart guy. How in touch he is with common sense and his ability to allow his natural tendencies to believe everything AU is good and pure thus missing out on reality is certainly in question. He may be a lawyer professionally, I don't know. God bless Lion for his cancer fight and I totally respect that and he has my unconditional support in that part of his life. I am one of his biggest fans in his cancer fight since I am going through it now. Should we have had an AD bold enough to hire Saban, we would all love him and bow down to him (faults and all) like the vast majority of AU fans love Pat Dye (who can't hold Saban's underwear as a coach). Pat Dye modeled our football program both on an off of the field after the spuat program under his idol Bear. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 hours ago, DAG said: I don’t know what you think a pervert is, but a grown man looking at teenagers in an inappropriate manner is perverted. Said on a site with threads dedicated to pictures of cheerleaders who could be a's few as one year older than the girls in question....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 8:20 AM, McLoofus said: The bathroom thing, in my mind, means that Lester is clearly lacking in the "normal, healthy, adult behavior" department. But it doesn't make him bad or evil. Just, as DAG says, weird. Upskirt pics of high school girls? His students? That's bad. That's evil. That might not be statutory rape or child porn but it's in the same zip code. That's really, really bad. Agreed. The recording bathroom noises is pure juvenile, and it seems worse because it was a minor. The other deal with the girls is extremely disturbing for a lot of reasons. If I had kids, I would not want him in the same school teaching or substituting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Said on a site with threads dedicated to pictures of cheerleaders who could be a's few as one year older than the girls in question....... The way he used the word "inappropriate" could be interpreted in more than a dozen different ways. Lol. That possible one year difference you refer to is, obviously, the difference between prison and freedom when someone crosses the line. Taking the pictures secretly and saving them bumps the creepiness level up several more notches. I'm guessing fbi profilers would have some interesting analysis on that sort of behavior and possible future behaviors based on it. Like the attorney says, he needs counseling. Someone who admires the beauty of willingly photographed college cheerleaders doesn't necessarily need counseling, but might. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, tiger88 said: The way he used the word "inappropriate" could be interpreted in more than a dozen different ways. Lol. That possible one year difference you refer to is, obviously, the difference between prison and freedom. Taking the pictures secretly and saving them bumps the creepiness level up several more notches. I'm guessing fbi profilers would have some interesting analysis on that sort of behavior and possible future behaviors based on it. Like the attorney says, he needs counseling. Someone who admires the beauty of willingly photographed college cheerleaders doesn't necessarily need counseling, but might. Lol. Everything you said is absolutely correct, and underlines the fact that one needs to know the whole story before passing judgement on someone's character, or worse publishing said judgement. The key is that any future behaviors that one might derive from the known behaviors are only possible, not definite or in a case like this even probable. The sad truth is, if Lester should be ostracized for these actions, then based on the conversations I've heard going out with the guys after work, 80% of the guys I know should be as well. In fact, I would bet money that many of those passing judgement, if they were truly honest with themselves, would have to admit that they have had inappropriate thoughts when they saw a pretty teenaged girl in a short skirt. Hopefully most of them didn't take any pictures. I'm not going to speculate as to what may have spurred Lester's actions, as it all makes me a little sqeemish, but without knowing the whole story, I can only condemned the actions and not the person. The one thing that has surprised me is that there is no outrage about the fact that, now that we know what really happened, he was massively overcharged. Nothing that has come to light was anything like child pornography or intent to distribute. As much as what he did was a violation and action should have been taken, that doesn't give the state the right to trump up the charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Everything you said is absolutely correct, and underlines the fact that one needs to know the whole story before passing judgement on someone's character, or worse publishing said judgement. The key is that any future behaviors that one might derive from the known behaviors are only possible, not definite or in a case like this even probable. The sad truth is, if Lester should be ostracized for these actions, then based on the conversations I've heard going out with the guys after work, 80% of the guys I know should be as well. In fact, I would bet money that many of those passing judgement, if they were truly honest with themselves, would have to admit that they have had inappropriate thoughts when they saw a pretty teenaged girl in a short skirt. Hopefully most of them didn't take any pictures. I'm not going to speculate as to what may have spurred Lester's actions, as it all makes me a little sqeemish, but without knowing the whole story, I can only condemned the actions and not the person. The one thing that has surprised me is that there is no outrage about the fact that, now that we know what really happened, he was massively overcharged. Nothing that has come to light was anything like child pornography or intent to distribute. As much as what he did was a violation and action should have been taken, that doesn't give the state the right to trump up the charges. I will give him the slight benefit of the doubt, and I'm not condemning him, hopefully he will get some help. I plead the 5th about the skirt thing. Overcharging is what prosecutors do. With some of the fetishes out there, it might be closer to child porn than we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, tiger88 said: I will give him the slight benefit of the doubt, and I'm not condemning him, hopefully he will get some help. I plead the 5th about the skirt thing. Overcharging is what prosecutors do. With some of the fetishes out there, it might be closer to child porn than we think. I think we are both very much on the same page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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