The "Sh*thole Countries" Remark

[HVAU 673]

13 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Here's the lede:

 

What browser are you using?

I'm using Chrome on an Android.  I get blocked out if I view several articles.

[homersapien 11,352]

1 minute ago, HVAU said:

I'm using Chrome on an Android.  I get blocked out if I view several articles.

ditto.

 

[AUDub 11,131]

You need an incognito tab. Find it in this menu.

Simply paste the URL of the story you're trying to read in the browser and you're good to go.

An incognito tab saves no cookies and therefore defeats soft paywalls like WaPo's or the NYT. I'd still strongly recommend getting a subscription, however. 

[HVAU 673]

I didn't realize incognito worked around the paywall.  

[Grumps 3,693]

This whole thread is pretty easy to agree on.

If Trump called the countries ****hole countries in earshot of people who don't have his best interest at heart, then he used very poor judgment.

Haiti and the African countries being discussed ARE ****hole countries, relatively speaking, but that doesn't mean we should say it publicly.

 

Also, if I remember correctly, Trump's comment about illegal immigrants being rapists was specifically referring to illegal immigrants that the Mexican government was encouraging to go to the U.S. Is that correct?

[DKW 86 7,410]

3 hours ago, HVAU said:

I didn't realize incognito worked around the paywall.  

Running the browser on a smart phone will often. bypass the subscription service too. 

I read all the subscription stuff on my iphone and never have a issue  with reading anything. But i find my desktops wont allow me read when on them.

[AUDub 11,131]

3 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Running the browser on a smart phone will often. bypass the subscription service too. 

I read all the subscription stuff on my iphone and never have a issue  with reading anything. But i find my desktops wont allow me read when on them.

All comes down to how the browser manages cookies. That's how they track how many articles you've read and lock you out. Just clearing them will net you 5 more articles before you simply have to clear them again. 

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

I don't remember that.  I think it's BS.  Everyone makes typos from time to time.  

Are you sure it wasn't a grammatical error?

The discussion was about Trump's achievements. I said that he has done much good... And in a later sentence, referencing the prior words, I again wrote "Why can't you just admit that the man has done good... - "good" denoting specific acts, as opposed to describing how he performed specific acts [as the context of the conversation reflected]. You thought I should've used "well" instead. I noted that it wouldn't be improper to say "Trump has done good by [fill in the blank]." 

Upon referring to what you believed to be an error on my part, you informed me that such a typo was an embarrassment to Auburn graduates (when actually, you're attempted correction was the only embarrassment - assuming that is an "embarrassing" thing). Anyways, I think Tex deleted it. It was on one of his threads. 

Just a proper dose of your own medicine. 

[homersapien 11,352]

42 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

The discussion was about Trump's achievements. I said that he has done much good... And in a later sentence, referencing the prior words, I again wrote "Why can't you just admit that the man has done good... - "good" denoting specific acts, as opposed to describing how he performed specific acts [as the context of the conversation reflected]. You thought I should've used "well" instead. I noted that it wouldn't be improper to say "Trump has done good by [fill in the blank]." 

Upon referring to what you believed to be an error on my part, you informed me that such a typo was an embarrassment to Auburn graduates (when actually, you're attempted correction was the only embarrassment - assuming that is an "embarrassing" thing). Anyways, I think Tex deleted it. It was on one of his threads. 

Just a proper dose of your own medicine. 

OK, I get it.  And that's fair. But I don't remember the "much", but will take your word for it. 

And fwiw, this was a better explanation of your case than you made then.

[Grumps 3,693]

He makes some pretty good points!

Just so that more people might read it, here is the entire article:

Nothing scandalizes a leftist like the truth. Point out that women and men are different, that black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, that most terrorist acts are committed by Muslims, and the Left leaps to its collective feet in openmouthed shock, like Margaret Dumont after a Groucho Marx wisecrack. This is racism! This is sexism! This is some sort of phobia! I’m shocked, shocked to find facts being spoken in polite company!

No one is really shocked, of course. This is simply a form of bullying. The Left has co-opted our good manners and our good will in order to silence our opposition to their bad policies. The idea is to make it seem impolite and immoral to mention the obvious.

The bullying is highly effective and very dangerous. In England, in the city of Rotherham, at least 1,400 non-Muslim girls, some as young as 11, were brutally raped by Muslim immigrants over a period of years in the 2000s. Police and other officials worked to keep the facts hidden because, according to multiple reports, they were afraid of being called racist. Think about that: police officers did not want to seem racist, so they stood by and let their city’s children be raped. The same thing goes on in other cities in England and throughout Europe. And in fact, some who have spoken out have had their careers curtailed by manufactured scandal. The message is clear: it’s just not nice to tell the truth. It’s just not done. Don’t do it.

Here in the states, the First Amendment has so far allowed old-fashioned American loudmouths to fight the system whenever they could find ways around our monolithic corporate media. But the Empire of Lies is quick to strike back. Google/YouTube now stands charged by multiple accusers of singling out conservative voices for censorship, “fact-checking,” and demonetization. Hidden-camera videos released by Project Veritas this week show Twitter employees conspiring to “shadow ban” conservatives on their system. On campus, intelligent conservative speakers of good will like Ben Shapiro, Charles Murray, and Christina Hoff-Sommers have faced violent protests meant to shut them up.

No person of importance on the right seeks to silence anyone on the left. The Left, on the other hand, is broadly committed to ostracizing, blacklisting, and even criminalizing right-wing speech.

Enter President Donald Trump. He is a rude and crude person. He speaks like a Queens real estate guy on a construction site. And because he does not have good manners, he thoughtlessly breaks the rules with which the Left has sought to muzzle those who disagree with them. In this regard, I frequently compare Trump to Randle Patrick McMurphy, the loudmouthed, ill-mannered roustabout from Ken Kesey’s brilliant novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. McMurphy comes into an insane asylum controlled by a pleasant, smiling nightmare of a head nurse named Ratched. Nurse Ratched, while pretending to be the soul of motherly care, is actually a castrating, silencing tyrant. Her rules of good manners, supposedly fashioned for the benefit of all, are really a system of mental slavery. All of McMurphy’s salient character flaws suddenly become heroic in the context of her oppression. Only his belligerent ignorance of what constitutes good behavior can overturn the velvet strangulation of her rule.

For Nurse Ratched, read Hillary Clinton, CNN, the New York Times, Yale University, Twitter, and Google/YouTube—all the tender ministers of polite silence and enforced dishonesty. If Donald Trump’s boorishness crashes like a bull through the crystal madhouse of their leftism—well, good. It’s about time.

I don’t know exactly what Trump said in a closed-door meeting with senators at the White House this week. Unnamed sources say that he referred to some African countries and Haiti as “shitholes.” Maybe so; sounds like him. In any case, when it comes to a chance to attack Trump, our journalists don’t waste time with fact-gathering or source-identifying. Like Madonna, they just strike a pose. Various media knuckleheads have reacted to the alleged comment by calling Trump “racist,” “Nazi,” “Evil,” and a “terrorist sympathizer.”

(Personally, my first thought on hearing about the remark was: “What squirrely little tattle-tale of a weasel went running to the press with that?” But never mind. That’s just me.)

Let’s state the obvious. Some countries are shitholes. To claim that this is racist is racist. They are not shitholes because of the color of the populace but because of bad ideas, corrupt governance, false religion, and broken culture. Further, most of the problems in these countries are generated at the top. Plenty of rank-and-file immigrants from such ruined venues ultimately make good Americans—witness those who came from 1840s potato-famine Ireland, a ****hole if ever there was one! It takes caution and skill to separate the good from the bad.

For these very reasons, absurd immigration procedures like chain migration, lotteries, and unvetted entries are deeply destructive. They can lead to the sort of poor choices that create a Rotherham. Trump’s suggestions—to vet immigrants for pro-American ideas and skills that will help our country—are smart and reasonable and would clearly make the system better if implemented.

So, when it comes to the Great ****hole Controversy of 2018, my feeling is: I do not care, not even a little. I’m sorry that it takes someone like Trump to break the spell of silence the Left is forever weaving around us. I wish a man like Ronald Reagan would come along and accomplish the same thing with more wit and grace. But that was another culture. History deals the cards it deals; we just play them. Trump is what we’ve got.

For all the bad language, for all the loose talk, I would rather hear a man speak as a man without fear of the Nurse Ratcheds in the press and the academy than have him neutered and gagged by a system of good manners that has been misused as a form of oppression. Better impoliteness than silence. Better crudeness than lies.

We have seen the effect of uncontrolled immigration on Europe. It is very, very bad. The fact is: some countries are shitholes. I don’t want this to become one of them.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

OK, I get it.  And that's fair. But I don't remember the "much", but will take your word for it. 

And fwiw, this was a better explanation of your case than you made then.

Just a little jest homie. Trust me, some days I probably make more grammar mistakes than majority lol

[SaltyTiger 7,761]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

OK, I get it.  And that's fair. But I don't remember the "much", but will take your word for it. 

And fwiw, this was a better explanation of your case than you made then.

Mellowing a bit we see Brother Homer. I remember this post and defended Nola and Auburn ties, you are ok sometimes

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Former Peace Corp worker agrees wit Trump.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/of-shitholes-and-second-thoughts/

[TitanTiger 20,469]

Hypothetical:  If I moved in your circles in real life and walked around telling everyone that I know that your wife is ugly and a complete bitch, even if I could get the vast majority of people to agree that I'm right about both things, would it be ok with you for me to say it?  Or would your rightly be pissed off and feel you and her would be owed an apology?  I think we both know the answer to it and it has nothing to do with any objective measures as to her actual looks or disposition.

This is a moving of the goalposts to change the issue being discussed.  Because the issue was never whether there are actually countries in the world that have massive corruption, violence or poverty problems.  The issue was always whether the leader of our country and a person who represents us should say crude and insulting things about other countries.  It's about maturity, about normal adult behavior, and how the leader of the United States should conduct himself.

[kd4au 1,145]

How is calling these countries shitholes any different than calling them hellholes? Dicky Durbin is on tape calling them hellholes so what is the difference? Is Durbin now a racist too?

[homersapien 11,352]

53 minutes ago, kd4au said:

How is calling these countries shitholes any different than calling them hellholes? Dicky Durbin is on tape calling them hellholes so what is the difference? Is Durbin now a racist too?

Well, since you ask:

1. Subjectively speaking, "****hole" is more insulting than "hellhole". 
2. Dick Durbin is not president.
3. He didn't say in in a public,official meeting (as far as I know). 
4. No, Durbin has no history of racism, whereas Trump does.

[kd4au 1,145]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Well, since you ask:

1. Subjectively speaking, "****hole" is more insulting than "hellhole". 
2. Dick Durbin is not president.
3. He didn't say in in a public,official meeting (as far as I know). 
4. No, Durbin has no history of racism, whereas Trump does.

1. Ok but I don't see a difference
2. No but he is a an elected official
3.He said it on the floor of congress
4. All of the people that know Trump say he is not a racist, do you personally know Trump? Or just take the fake news medias word for it?

[Grumps 3,693]

Is saying that Haiti is a ****hole country racist? Why exactly?

[homersapien 11,352]

3 hours ago, kd4au said:

1. Ok but I don't see a difference
2. No but he is a an elected official
3.He said it on the floor of congress
4. All of the people that know Trump say he is not a racist, do you personally know Trump? Or just take the fake news medias word for it?

1. Many do.  Hellhole implies a place in a really bad situation whereas ****hole implies there is no redemption.  But then I have no proof, so we'll just have to disagree.  (Funny how this forum censors "****hole" while "hellhole" flies right through, huh?

2. Big difference between (any) "elected official" and the President of the United States.  Trump hasn't figured that out either.

3. Got a link for that?  I cannot find it.  (Did find examples of Lindsey Graham saying it.) 

4. Actually, it's a well documented fact he has a history of racist statements or acts. 

Opinion | Donald Trump's Racism: The Definitive List - The New York ...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

[homersapien 11,352]

3 hours ago, Grumps said:

Is saying that Haiti is a ****hole country racist? Why exactly?

Mainly because he grouped Haiti with unspecified countries in Africa as well as contrasting them all with Norway as a counterpoint. 

Incidentally, that's exactly the sort of dialogue you would expect to hear on a reality show. 

[AUDub 11,131]

On 1/14/2018 at 1:25 PM, AUFAN78 said:

Did he or didn't he? 

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/david-perdue-kirstjen-nielsen-daca/index.html

http://theweek.com/speedreads/748802/3-republicans-who-immigration-meeting-deny-hearing-trump-say-****hole

Hey, look who just confirmed the president’s comment.

https://m.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2018/01/21/tom-cotton-flip-flops-confirms-trumps-profane-remarks-on-immigration

[HVAU 673]

21 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Hey, look who just confirmed the president’s comment.

https://m.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2018/01/21/tom-cotton-flip-flops-confirms-trumps-profane-remarks-on-immigration

I saw Cotton on last week's FtN:

"TOM COTTON: Yeah, John, I didn't hear that word either. I certainly didn't hear what Senator Durbin has said repeatedly. Senator Durbin has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings though, so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by that. Here's what I did hear. And here is the point.

 

"TOM COTTON: I didn't hear it, and I was sitting no further away from Donald Trump than Dick Durbin was. And I know--

JOHN DICKERSON: But--

TOM COTTON: And I know what Dick Durbin has said about the president's repeated statements is incorrect.

JOHN DICKERSON: So is Senator Durbin lying?

TOM COTTON: Senator Durbin has misrepresented what happened in White House meetings before. And he was corrected by Obama administration official (UNINTEL). But here is the point, John. We have an immigration system today that treats people based on where they're from or who they're related to. Not who they are. That's not the system we need."

He insinuated that Durbin was lying at least twice on that program.  His lying undermines whatever policy position he was promoting.  

 

[AUDub 11,131]

Tom Cotton is a damned snake.  

[homersapien 11,352]

14 hours ago, AUDub said:

Tom Cotton is a damned snake.  

Please don't insult snakes that way.