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This is by far the strangest one yet.

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5 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

This is by far the strangest one yet.

It might be a better indicator of who is returning and how little PT he might get

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Just now, bigbird said:

It might be a better indicator of who is returning and how little PT he might get

It just seems like he was too vital last year to not get PT. Especially after Heron leaving.

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7 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

This is by far the strangest one yet.

WTF

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2 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

It just seems like he was too vital last year to not get PT. Especially after Heron leaving.

I agree, but he might see McLemore, chuma, and possibly Wiley as too much to showcase himself, especially at his natural position.

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My gosh. Why would you not want to play for this team next year? I get not being happy somewhere, but what is so bad about this program that everyone is transferring??? 

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10 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I agree, but he might see McLemore, chuma, and possibly Wiley as too much to showcase himself, especially at his natural position.

Not sure about that grouping....McLemore had a hard injury and will have to work to come back and odds of Wiley to be here is not that great....and probably Heron gone.  But if Murray gets his degree he might go ahead and do the grad transfer deal and go where he fits better.

But, with all of this action by players who don't have any particular professional basketball future in front of them,  it seems to me that BP should be pushing his recruiting effort right in Auburn. . 

Hard for me to buy the argument that some have made that having a bunch of guys looking to go somewhere else....or maybe play minor league basketball, is good for our recruiting.  This kind of stuff can't be considered as good news...I'm surprised there are so few questions being asked.  

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This is why it is SO frustrating following ANYTHING Auburn. We have ONE good season and everything falls apart! This team was going to be absolutely loaded next year - Preseason top 5 for crying out loud! Now we’ve lost 3 players that we should not have lost with the potential of losing two more. This is flipping ridiculous!!

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7 minutes ago, CameronCrazy said:

This is why it is SO frustrating following ANYTHING Auburn. We have ONE good season and everything falls apart! This team was going to be absolutely loaded next year - Preseason top 5 for crying out loud! Now we’ve lost 3 players that we should not have lost with the potential of losing two more. This is flipping ridiculous!!

JABA. Like I was telling @aujeff11. Just seems it is not meant to be for us to ever have sustained success in major sports. Something  ALWAYS happens. Injuries, players leaving, coming so close on can't miss recruits and finishing second, A PLAYER PULLING UP LAME ON THE KICKOFF that basically cost us the natty in 13 (not to mention not reading and being prepared for the most telegraphed fake punt ever) and of course 2 of our best players being ineligible for the whole dang season. Just always something for good ol AU. A long suffering tradition. Am I being over dramatic? Of course. I do not think murray is even that big of a loss but dang man add that on top of all the other potential departures and you get this overly emotional reaction from me.

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It was just announced that AU won’t field a team next year.   Start your melt downs early.  

 

/sarcasm 

I have full faith in Coach Pearl and what we will accomplish next year.  If you feel the need to jump off the AUBB train, please do. 

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Just now, InfernoOrangeSS said:

It was just announced that AU won’t field a team next year.   Start your melt downs early.  

 

/sarcasm 

I have full faith in Coach Pearl and what we will accomplish next year.  If you feel the need to jump off the AUBB train, please do. 

No one is jumping off the train. We are just PISSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. Let us have our meltdown.

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15 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Not sure about that grouping....McLemore had a hard injury and will have to work to come back and odds of Wiley to be here is not that great....and probably Heron gone.  But if Murray gets his degree he might go ahead and do the grad transfer deal and go where he fits better.

But, with all of this action by players who don't have any particular professional basketball future in front of them,  it seems to me that BP should be pushing his recruiting effort right in Auburn. . 

Hard for me to buy the argument that some have made that having a bunch of guys looking to go somewhere else....or maybe play minor league basketball, is good for our recruiting.  This kind of stuff can't be considered as good news...I'm surprised there are so few questions being asked.  

It just is the nature of the beast in college basketball when you have any kind of success. Guys are just looking at the first opportunity to go make money. This is our first taste of it in the one and done era. I do not like it as much as you because we cannot just reload immediately like duke or kentucky.  On paper none of our guys should go pro besides wiley. BUT that is just not how these guys are wired or think. It is happening everywhere not just at AU.

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7 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

No one is jumping off the train. We are just PISSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. Let us have our meltdown.

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1 minute ago, GwillMac6 said:

BUT that is just not how these guys are wired or think. It is happening everywhere not just at AU.

Not to this extent I bet.....I think Harper will be back but there is no good reason for Mitchell or Murray to be leaving....

I'll take a look around the conference over the next week but I'm betting that most teams will have their underclassmen returning unless they are legit NBA prospects. 

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3 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Not to this extent I bet.....I think Harper will be back but there is no good reason for Mitchell or Murray to be leaving....

I'll take a look around the conference over the next week but I'm betting that most teams will have their underclassmen returning unless they are legit NBA prospects. 

Mitch left because he did not want to sit behind harper for 2 more years. He is starter worthy. I hated it but it made sense. Murray makes no sense. Heron did not make much sense but apparently he was dead set on being 2 and done. He seems to not even mind the fact he may not stick in the nba and will just have to go overseas to make his money. I mean what are you going to do if a kid is dead set on leaving? Nothing you can do but to help him and prepare him as much as possible.

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4 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Not to this extent I bet.....I think Harper will be back but there is no good reason for Mitchell or Murray to be leaving....

I'll take a look around the conference over the next week but I'm betting that most teams will have their underclassmen returning unless they are legit NBA prospects. 

This is the early entry tracker so far from underclassmen. Like we talked about. A lot of kids who have no business of declaring are doing so. Some are just dead set on leaving college even if there is no chance they are drafted. Just the nature of college basketball now.
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G Rawle Alkins, sophomore YES Second round
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F/C Deandre Ayton, freshman YES Top 3
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F/C Marvin Bagley III, freshman YES Top 6
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C Mohamed Bamba, freshman YES Top 10
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PF Keita Bates-Diop, redshirt junior NO Late first / early second
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G/F Leron Black, redshirt junior YES Late second / undrafted
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G Ky Bowman, Boston College NO Late second / undrafted
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SG Jordan Brangers, sophomore (JuCo) NO Undrafted (Note: Never played at Colorado State)
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G Mikal Bridges, junior YES Top 15
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F Miles Bridges, sophomore YES Top 15
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G Barry Brown, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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G Bruce Brown, sophomore YES Second round
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PG Tookie Brown, junior NO Undrafted
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G Troy Brown Jr., freshman YES First round
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G/F Jordan Caroline, redshirt junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Tony Carr, sophomore YES Late first / early second
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G Kameron Chatman, redshirt junior NO Undrafted
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G Haanif Cheatham, junior NO Undrafted (Note: Only played at Marquette)
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PF Yoeli Childs, sophomore NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Chris Clemons, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PF Tyler Cook, sophomore NO Undrafted
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PF Isaac Copeland Jr., redshirt junior NO Undrafted
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PG Jon Davis, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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SG Terence Davis, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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C Tyler Davis, junior NO Second round / undrafted
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G Eric Davis Jr., junior YES Late second / undrafted
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F Marcus Derrickson, junior YES Second round / undrafted
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PF Noah Dickerson, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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G Torin Dorn, junior NO Late second round / undrafted
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PG Trevon Duval, freshman YES Late first / early second
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PG Carsen Edwards, sophomore NO Second round
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PG Jon Elmore, junior NO Second round
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G/F Jacob Evans, junior NO Late first / early second
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C Bruno Fernando, freshman NO First round
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SG Jarrey Foster, junior NO Second round / undrafted
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SF Robert Franks, junior NO Second round
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SG Melvin Frazier, junior NO Late first / second round
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C Harry Froling, sophomore YES Undrafted
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PG Eugene German, sophomore NO Undrafted
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G Tyler Hall, junior NO Undrafted
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PG Jaylen Hands, freshman NO Second round / undrafted
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F/C Ethan Happ, junior NO Second round
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G Mustapha Heron, sophomore YES Late second / undrafted
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G Aaron Holiday, junior YES Late first round / early second
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G Jalen Hudson, redshirt junior NO Second round
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C Dewan Huell, sophomore NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Tramain Isbell, redshirt junior NO Undrafted
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SG Deangelo Isby, junior NO Undrafted
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F/C Jaren Jackson Jr., freshman YES Top 6
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G/F Justin James, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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G Zach Johnson, junior NO Undrafted
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F Kevin Knox, freshman YES Top 15
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C Sagaba Konate, sophomore NO Late first / second round
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G/F Terry Larrier, redshirt junior YES Late second / undrafted
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SG Fletcher Magee, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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SF Caleb Martin, redshirt junior NO Late first / second round
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SF Cody Martin, redshirt junior NO Second round / undrafted
  C Matur Maker, high school YES Likely undrafted
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C Brandon McCoy, freshman YES Late first / early second
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F Jalen McDaniels, freshman NO Undrafted
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F Jack McVeigh, junior YES Undrafted
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PG De'Anthony Melton, sophomore YES Late first / early second
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F/C Chimezie Metu, junior YES Second round
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PG Shake Milton, junior NO Late first / second round
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F Elijah Minnie, redshirt junior NO Undrafted
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PG Shelton Mitchell, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Matt Morgan, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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G Isaiah Moses, sophomore NO Undrafted
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G Malik Newman, redshirt sophomore YES Second round
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SG Josh Okogie, sophomore NO Second round
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G James Palmer Jr., redshirt junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Lamar Peters, sophomore NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Shamorie Ponds, sophomore NO Second round
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PF Jontay Porter, freshman NO Late first / early second
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F Michael Porter Jr., freshman YES Top 10
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SG Quinton Rose, sophomore NO Undrafted
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G Corey Sanders, junior YES Late second / undrafted
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F Ray Spalding, junior YES Second round
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G Max Strus, freshman NO Late second / undrafted
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G Deshon Taylor, redshirt junior NO Undrafted
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PG Khyri Thomas, junior NO First round
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SG Gary Trent Jr., freshman YES First round
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G Allonzo Trier, junior YES Second round
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G Lonnie Walker, freshman YES First round
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PF Nick Ward, sophomore NO Late second / undrafted
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G Quinndary Weatherspoon, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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SG Nick Weatherspoon, freshman NO Undrafted
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G Andrien White, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PF Demajeo Wiggins, junior NO Late second / undrafted
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PG Lindell Wigginton, freshman NO Late second / undrafted
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SF Kris Wilkes, freshman NO First round
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C Robert Williams, sophomore YES First round
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PG Justin Wright-Foreman, junior NO Undrafted
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PG Trae Young, freshman YES Top 10
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C Omer Yurtseven, sophomore NO Second round / undrafted
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This is starting to get a little concerning now.

I understand Mitchell. Heron too, even.

This one makes no sense. Danjel coming in would not cut into his minutes THAT much. Is he worried of Babatunde potentially coming in? He got his degree so good for him but his relentlessness on the glass will be sorely missed. I'm shocked at this.

Somebody convince me this isn't a big deal.

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Good list...thanks for posting ...but most as you note are first or second round.

Will be interesting to see what happens at bama, MSU, Tennessee and some of the other better SEC teams and see what they lose. .We were thin to begin with and BP is gonna have to work hard to end up with 8 SEC quality players for this season when the season starts.....and note that DP not eligible until part way through the season. . 

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11 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Good list...thanks for posting ...but most as you note are first or second round.

Will be interesting to see what happens at bama, MSU, Tennessee and some of the other better SEC teams and see what they lose. .We were thin to begin with and BP is gonna have to work hard to end up with 8 SEC quality players for this season when the season starts.....and note that DP not eligible until part way through the season. . 

Being drafted in the second round is nothing in the nba. Very few success stories of second rounders having good success. Most of the ones have actually happened recently. Before it was like a graveyard of guys who  mostly did nothing besides a few exceptions. They are not even guaranteed a contract. Most do not stick in the nba. IMO if your stock is the second round it is a BAD decision to go pro.  In a ideal world only the sure fire first rounders would go pro. But alas it is not. Thankfully overseas you can still make 6 figures and earn a good living. It is not like the nfl draft where there is no good paying leagues to fall back on if you do not make it in the nfl.

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With players leaving,. This also opens the door for players to transfer in.   Murray was a good cog,. But we could manage the roster better this way if need be.  

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I think Murray's case is unique. 

I think he came to AU and the SEC  more for the exposure and going against better competition.

Now he thinks with his stats from the SEC and winning the SEC he can try to play for pay overseas. He's never going to be NBA material. 

Now if he can't get on a team overseas, he can use grad transfer to go play somewhere else where he has competition more to his liking. And not get beat up like he did in the SEC . 

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10 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

Being drafted in the second round is nothing in the nba. Very few success stories of second rounders having good success. Most of the ones have actually happened recently. Before it was like a graveyard of guys who  mostly did nothing besides a few exceptions. They are not even guaranteed a contract. Most do not stick in the nba. IMO if your stock is the second round it is a BAD decision to go pro.  In a ideal world only the sure fire first rounders would go pro. But alas it is not. Thankfully overseas you can still make 6 figures and earn a good living. It is not like the nfl draft where there is no good paying leagues to fall back on if you do not make it in the nfl.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/houston-barber/where-are-all-the-second-_b_9722192.html   

Good discussion on your comment.  And if 2nd round draft choices have such little chance it's hard to see why anyone who could not be projected at least that high would not even bother to go through the process.   As I mentioned earlier, there are more than 6000 American basketball players earning their living overseas......so aside from the G League, there are plenty of places to make a reasonable living.  

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5 minutes ago, AU64 said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/houston-barber/where-are-all-the-second-_b_9722192.html   

Good discussion on your comment.  And if 2nd round draft choices have such little chance it's hard to see why anyone who could not be projected at least that high would not even bother to go through the process.   As I mentioned earlier, there are more than 6000 American basketball players earning their living overseas......so aside from the G League, there are plenty of places to make a reasonable living.  

Pro basketball players really benefit that basketball is a global game. Football players do not have that same luxury. GOOD READ! Thanks for sharing.

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