lionheartkc 6,150 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, bigbird said: Yes , in the history of the sport, there been 5 to 10 backs his size that have put it all together and been very effective. Of course, the question then arises, how many were given a shot before they were moved to tight end or receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarDamnEagleWDE 12,737 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 16 hours ago, ClaytonAU said: I imagine his grades are good if he’s talking about winning the heisman and such. Hopefully... About to post................... lets get him into school first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,287 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: Of course, the question then arises, how many were given a shot before they were moved to tight end or receiver? It doesn't matter. We can only evaluate those that played the position and in doing so, you see far more taller backs struggle than succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg5 536 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Kid was great in HS. Had potential to break it on every carry. If he had a better line his numbers would have been crazy. It will be interesting to see which position he lands at. We don't do much with TE's right now so I hope it's not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, bigbird said: It doesn't matter. We can only evaluate those that played the position and in doing so, you see far more taller backs struggle than succeed While I get what you are saying, if you take the broad scope of all college running backs, you also see far more of every size struggle than succeed, when success is measured at the high level it is in the SEC. It's all about percentages. If only 5-10 tall backs succeed, but when compared to the ones who were given the chance to try (because coaches immediately move them since they assume they won't) it ends up as a similar percentage to running backs overall, then it's a wash. I'm not saying this is the case, but I am saying without knowing how many are even given a shot, you can't make the blanket statement that they fare worse than all of the other backs who never become elite. Yes, the physics is in favor of smaller backs, with a lower center of gravity, but the fact is that very frequently players are pigeonholed by their measurements and don't get the opportunity to prove that they can play beyond them. See one of our best receivers having to walk on as a kicker, even though his high school numbers were stellar, as a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,287 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, lionheartkc said: While I get what you are saying, if you take the broad scope of all college running backs, you also see far more of every size struggle than succeed, when success is measured at the high level it is in the SEC. It's all about percentages. If only 5-10 tall backs succeed, but when compared to the ones who were given the chance to try (because coaches immediately move them since they assume they won't) it ends up as a similar percentage to running backs overall, then it's a wash. I'm not saying this is the case, but I am saying without knowing how many are even given a shot, you can't make the blanket statement that they fare worse than all of the other backs who never become elite. Yes, the physics is in favor of smaller backs, with a lower center of gravity, but the fact is that very frequently players are pigeonholed by their measurements and don't get the opportunity to prove that they can play beyond them. See one of our best receivers having to walk on as a kicker, even though his high school numbers were stellar, as a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammer1 409 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Height and weight didn't seem to bother Derick Henry much. I knew he was trouble the first time I saw him run. You had to tackle that guy early because once he got into the secondary he was gone. WDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle79 3,569 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 http://www.footballperspective.com/running-backs-getting-shorter-and-heavier/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, oracle79 said: http://www.footballperspective.com/running-backs-getting-shorter-and-heavier/ that one guy tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarDamnEagleWDE 12,737 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 11:00 AM, lionheartkc said: While I get what you are saying, if you take the broad scope of all college running backs, you also see far more of every size struggle than succeed, when success is measured at the high level it is in the SEC. It's all about percentages. If only 5-10 tall backs succeed, but when compared to the ones who were given the chance to try (because coaches immediately move them since they assume they won't) it ends up as a similar percentage to running backs overall, then it's a wash. I'm not saying this is the case, but I am saying without knowing how many are even given a shot, you can't make the blanket statement that they fare worse than all of the other backs who never become elite. Yes, the physics is in favor of smaller backs, with a lower center of gravity, but the fact is that very frequently players are pigeonholed by their measurements and don't get the opportunity to prove that they can play beyond them. See one of our best receivers having to walk on as a kicker, even though his high school numbers were stellar, as a prime example. I don't care if you are 4'2" tall or 6'4" tall. If you run upright like Joiner did in high school, you are going to get LIT UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, WarDamnEagleWDE said: I don't care if you are 4'2" tall or 6'4" tall. If you run upright like Joiner did in high school, you are going to get LIT UP. No doubt. Fortunately we have 2 good running back coaches who can help him fix that, and if he really does want to win a Heisman, he'll put in the work necessary to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeleagle 2,945 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 hours ago, WarDamnEagleWDE said: I don't care if you are 4'2" tall or 6'4" tall. If you run upright like Joiner did in high school, you are going to get LIT UP. Just like ERic Dickerson and Eddie George did at 6' 3". I remember them being great backs and lit up whoever got in their way. being tall and running tall doesnt tell if he will get lit up. He just has to make sure at running tall, he knows how to get down when needed and using his legs and shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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auburn4ever 1,266 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Jarrett, Harold, Asa could be our next Heisman winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeleagle 2,945 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 9:09 AM, bigbird said: Yes , in the history of the sport, there been 5 to 10 backs his size that have put it all together and been very effective. And there have been 100's of 5' 10" 5' 11" 6' 0" around 195-210 who haven't been effective. and go by the wayside. I am just saying, let's see how he runs, when he is on the field, and get's hit by SEC LBs. It will end up being where GM wants to play him, and with their lack of TEs that can run the field, then they will move him there regardless if he can run tall bt the tackles and have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyAU 3,628 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 230-240 lbs would be nice with that frame. How big was Derrick Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaumak 174 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 to answer someone's earlier question Brandon Jacobs was like 6'4" 250+. ginormous. maybe, perhaps, something like Harold equaling a Adrian Peterson, which is around 6'1'' 220. would be sweat. anyway yes his size and weight can be done. he could easily gain 10 lbs by the fall. but all depends on his running style. we will see. but very exciting nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn2Eugene 2,317 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 10:30 AM, bg5 said: Kid was great in HS. Had potential to break it on every carry. If he had a better line his numbers would have been crazy. It will be interesting to see which position he lands at. We don't do much with TE's right now so I hope it's not there. We haven't used a TE because we haven't really had a huge amount of talent at the position in recent years. Jalen Harris is a good blocker but has never exactly been a threat to catch the ball. We signed one kid who was thought to be the fix to the issue, and he wound up getting kicked out of school for raping a girl (or not,) either way, he was removed from the school. Then we signed Sal. Sal lined up more at WR but even then had hands lined with butter and couldn't do what we signed him to do (catch the ball.) If Joiner ends up there, he could be the piece we have been missing at the position. Joiner was the recruit I wanted the most out of this past class. It looked for the longest we had no chance to get him. But we did. I hope he becomes all world for us, even if he is a hybrid that plays RB, FB, HB, TE, and WR. I think Malzahn sold him on the Charles Clay game plan, and I'd be as happy as a possum eating persimmons if he became a do all like Clay did in his days under Malzahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeleagle 2,945 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Auburn2Eugene said: We haven't used a TE because we haven't really had a huge amount of talent at the position in recent years. Jalen Harris is a good blocker but has never exactly been a threat to catch the ball. We signed one kid who was thought to be the fix to the issue, and he wound up getting kicked out of school for raping a girl (or not,) either way, he was removed from the school. Then we signed Sal. Sal lined up more at WR but even then had hands lined with butter and couldn't do what we signed him to do (catch the ball.) If Joiner ends up there, he could be the piece we have been missing at the position. Joiner was the recruit I wanted the most out of this past class. It looked for the longest we had no chance to get him. But we did. I hope he becomes all world for us, even if he is a hybrid that plays RB, FB, HB, TE, and WR. I think Malzahn sold him on the Charles Clay game plan, and I'd be as happy as a possum eating persimmons if he became a do all like Clay did in his days under Malzahn. Now, it's a matter if GM actually does what he says he will do with this type position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutzcammed 469 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just reading above I don't think Derek Henry's running style and Harold Joiner's running style even remotely compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Too bad the kid didn't say something like "I hope to be a career 2nd stringer". Imagine how we would all respond to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I hope they keep Harold at back. We need another big RB who can run over and through people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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