NFL - players will be fined for kneeling

[homersapien 11,357]

2 hours ago, AU64 said:

You are who you are not just here of course.....I'm just noting how you portray yourself...smack talk or not....even in defense of yourself,  you come across as an abused person to justify being nasty to others.  That might be the way things have been for you but it's worth the effort to rise above that.  

None the less, you trot out the racist comment at every turn which is a cheap attack.....so,  I doubt you can keep your mouth under control on your job either if someone disagrees with you.  I  suspect that everyone knows this about you....  and likely feels they have to tip toe around to keep from setting you off.  As I say, this is perception....but read your own posts over a period of time and think about it.  JMO....

Irony

The way you generalize about whites makes you unqualified to be a teacher

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

I’m completely aware that attacks become personal when they can no longer defend their position.  

The absolute height of hypocrisy. Who was the first one to call anyone racist in this thread.........YOU.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

The two balanced takes on this :

 

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NFL’s National Anthem Policy Exposes Free Speech Hypocrisy of Right, Left, and Trump

"You have to stand proudly for the national anthem," Trump says, "or you shouldn’t be playing."

Robby Soave

 

May. 24, 2018 2:21 pm

...The new policy is undoubtedly crafted to appease not just some viewers but Trump, who has repeatedly attacked the NFL for failing to punish the defiant players. "I don't think people should be staying in locker rooms, but still, I think it's good," Trump said on Fox and Friends this morning. "You have to stand proudly for the national anthem, or you shouldn't be playing, you shouldn't be there, maybe you shouldn't be in the country." Vice President Mike Pence tweeted the news, adding a single remark: "#WINNING."

Sadly, the NFL's bowing to Trump's whims may indeed be a win of sorts for this administration. It will please the many conservatives who routinely complain that the campus left is hypersensitive but embrace the victim role when the shoe is on the other foot. Just take a look at the Twitter feed of Turning Points USA Director Charlie Kirk, a well-known critic of political correctness on campus.

Kirk's pinned tweet is video footage of him discussing campus culture with Sean Hannity, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. "College campuses have become a place where the administrators and the elites want everybody to look different but think the same," Kirk explains. "And it's all about conformity. If you have any point of dissension from the status quo of liberal orthodoxy, you will be punished." Just under the pinned tweet is Kirk's most recent tweet: "Stand for the national anthem!" Talk about conformity.

The NFL is of course a private entity, and requiring players to stand for the anthem isn't a First Amendment violation. But as National Review's David French points out in a terrific New York Times op-ed piece, Google, Mozilla, and Yale are all private too. Yet conservatives see nothing wrong with bemoaning these entities' internal crackdowns on speech. Indeed, concern that social media giants like Facebook and Twitter are censoring conservatives is now a major concern for the right. There was even a panel discussion about it at this year's Conservative Political Action Conference.

Middlebury College shouldn't sit idly by while students literally attack Charles Murray, and Twitter shouldn't scrub all non-leftist views from its platform. They shouldn't do those things because they have made commitments to the spirit of the First Amendment. They say free speech matters to them, and it is perfectly fair for conservatives to hold their feet to the fire when they fall short of those commitments.

But conservatives are being brazenly hypocritical when they celebrate the NFL's decision to muzzle its players. The NFL might not have made any commitment to free expression, but its players were engaged in one of the most civil and least disruptive forms of protest imaginable. Saying that simply kneeling for the national anthem is so offensive that it must be confined to the locker room or banned outright reflects the same hypersensitivity that plagues the social justice left.

...This is what comes from defending a safe-space mentality: more safe spaces, and not just on the campus quad but in football stadiums as well.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/24/nfl-trump-national-anthem-free-speech

 

 

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Conservatives Fail the N.F.L.’s Free Speech Test

May 24, 2018
By David French
Mr. French is a senior writer at National Review.

...Conservatives can recite the names of the publicly shamed from memory. There was Brendan Eich, hounded out of Mozilla for donating to a California ballot initiative that defined marriage as the union of a man and woman. There was James Damore, abruptly terminated from Google after he wrote an essay attributing the company’s difficulty in attracting female software engineers more to biology and free choice than to systemic discrimination. On campus, the list is as long and grows longer every semester.

It is right to decry this culture of intolerance and advocate for civility and engagement instead of boycotts and reprisals. The cure for bad speech is better speech — not censorship. Take that message to the heartland, and conservatives cheer.

Until, that is, Colin Kaepernick chose to kneel. Until, that is, the president demanded that the N.F.L. fire the other players who picked up on his protest after he was essentially banished from the league.

That was when the conservative mob called for heads to roll. Conform or face the consequences...

...One of the most compelling expressions of America’s constitutional values is contained in Justice Robert Jackson’s 1943 majority opinion in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette. At the height of World War II, two sisters, both Jehovah’s Witnesses, challenged the state’s mandate that they salute the flag in school. America was locked in a struggle for its very existence. The outcome was in doubt. National unity was essential.

But even in the darkest days of war, the court wrote liberating words that echo in legal history: “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

Make no mistake, I want football players to stand for the anthem. I want them to respect the flag. As a veteran of the war in Iraq, I’ve saluted that flag in foreign lands and deployed with it proudly on my uniform. But as much as I love the flag, I love liberty even more...

...The N.F.L. isn’t the government. It has the ability to craft the speech rules its owners want. So does Google. So does Mozilla. So does Yale. American citizens can shame whomever they want to shame.

But what should they do? Should they use their liberty to punish dissent? Or should a free people protect a culture of freedom?

In our polarized times, I’ve adopted a simple standard, a civil liberties corollary to the golden rule: Fight for the rights of others that you would like to exercise yourself. Do you want corporations obliterating speech the state can’t touch? Do you want the price of participation in public debate to include the fear of lost livelihoods? Then, by all means, support the N.F.L. Cheer Silicon Valley’s terminations. Join the boycotts and shame campaigns. Watch this country’s culture of liberty wither in front of your eyes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/opinion/conservatives-fail-the-nfls-free-speech-test.html

 

[AU64 10,122]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Irony

The way you generalize about whites makes you unqualified to be a teacher

do you even know what you are trying to say?     

[TitanTiger 20,472]

Rod Dreher summarizes it quite succinctly:

Americans don’t really care about liberty anymore, do we? We just want to punish our enemies. The Bake the cake, Bigot and Stand for the Flag, Negro factions think they’re on opposite sides, but they’re not. They’re left-wing and right-wing versions of the same thing.

[homersapien 11,357]

4 minutes ago, AU64 said:

do you even know what you are trying to say?     

I know damn well what you are saying.  It's quite plain.

Accusing Elle of "generalizing about whites" is just bat-s*** crazy.  It's pure rascist thinking.  

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

My attitude re. the OP and the few posts in the thread that are on the subject of the OP is simple......if you haven't risked coming home under the flag don't you dare disrespect it.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

30 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

My attitude re. the OP and the few posts in the thread that are on the subject of the OP is simple......if you haven't risked coming home under the flag don't you dare disrespect it.

But the flag doesn't just belong to those who fought under it.  It's not the symbol of the armed forces of the US, it's the symbol for everyone.   Why should just one faction of those who identify with it get to dictate to everyone else what constitutes "disrespect?"

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 hour ago, Proud Tiger said:

The absolute height of hypocrisy. Who was the first one to call anyone racist in this thread.........YOU.

Wrong. I merely said I wasn’t an angry, white, racist Republican. If you infered that I was speaking of you, well that’s telling. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

39 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I know damn well what you are saying.  It's quite plain.

Accusing Elle of "generalizing about whites" is just bat-s*** crazy.  It's pure rascist thinking.  

It’s also pretty funny, since I’m white. 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

4 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Wrong. I merely said I wasn’t an angry, white, racist Republican. If you infered that I was speaking of you, well that’s telling. 

Yeah, kind of like you siding with Stormy.

[homersapien 11,357]

28 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

My attitude re. the OP and the few posts in the thread that are on the subject of the OP is simple......if you haven't risked coming home under the flag don't you dare disrespect it.

[homersapien 11,357]

7 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Wrong. I merely said I wasn’t an angry, white, racist Republican. If you infered that I was speaking of you, well that’s telling. 

Apparently, the "shoe fits".

That's exactly what I thought when 64 took offense at you  "generalizing about whites".   

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

A lot of people don't seem to remember their history and the circumstances under which the National Anthem was written, and sadly don't even care.

 

[homersapien 11,357]

1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said:

A lot of people don't seem to remember their history and the circumstances under which the National Anthem was written.

 

You seem to value patriotic symbolism more than the actual values our country represents.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

7 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Yeah, kind of like you siding with Stormy.

Does it bother you that I have more respect for a porn star than a narcissistic sexual predator? 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

11 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Does it bother you that I have more respect for a porn star than a narcissistic sexual predator? 

Not at all. It it says a lot about your own character and hate for our President who has not committed any wrongful sexual abuses while in office while seemingly having no problem with your past heroes Clinton and JFK.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

9 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Not at all. It it says a lot about your own character and hate for our President who has not committed any wrongful sexual abuses while in office while seemingly having no problem with your past heroes Clinton and JFK.

The "while in office" thing is an artificial construct of your own making.  It does not have any bearing on whether the man has the requisite character deserving of respect.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

20 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Not at all. It it says a lot about your own character and hate for our President who has not committed any wrongful sexual abuses while in office while seemingly having no problem with your past heroes Clinton and JFK.

So what your saying is that sexual assault is ok as long as one is not on the job when committing it? Are you aware that you are promoting rape culture with that statement? You seem to think that because I’m a democrat that my heroes are Clinton and JFK.  Once again you’re wrong. Deadpool is my hero. 

[metafour 4,968]

13 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

But since you brought him up, my boy has a Nobel Peace Prize.

For what, the record number of drone strikes and more Middle Eastern countries bombed than under the Bush administration LMAO? The fact that you actually felt validated in bringing up the most absurd Nobel Peace Prize award ever handed out is mind blowing.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

2 minutes ago, metafour said:

For what, the record number of drone strikes and more Middle Eastern countries bombed than under the Bush administration LMAO? The fact that you actually felt validated in bringing up the most absurd Nobel Peace Prize award ever handed out is mind blowing.

You sound butthurt. 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

42 minutes ago, metafour said:

For what, the record number of drone strikes and more Middle Eastern countries bombed than under the Bush administration LMAO? The fact that you actually felt validated in bringing up the most absurd Nobel Peace Prize award ever handed out is mind blowing.

I think that's what she calls "But Obama." It's OK though when it is perceived as something something "good"

[TitanTiger 20,472]

1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said:

I think that's what she calls "But Obama." It's OK though when it is perceived as something something "good"

She didn't "but Obama," you did.  She only said that in response to you going there.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

59 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

So what your saying is that sexual assault is ok as long as one is not on the job when committing it? Are you aware that you are promoting rape culture with that statement? You seem to think that because I’m a democrat that my heroes are Clinton and JFK.  Once again you’re wrong. Deadpool is my hero. 

100% chance he has no idea who/what Deadpool is.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

31 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

100% chance he has no idea who/what Deadpool is.

No worries. According to some I’m an unbecoming educator. And I’ve had google training. I can give him all the links he wants. ?