Messianism: Not just for Obamaphiles anymore!

[homersapien 11,337]

11 minutes ago, Grumps said:

So do you think Jesus is more white or more republican? Hmmmm.

Is that supposed to be a distinction?

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6 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Do you realize I was being sarcastic? 

The real Jesus wasn’t white. I use past tense because he is no longer in human form. Being from the Middle East, his skin color was most likely darker than pictures portray him. And considering Jesus spent his earthly ministry healing the sick, I’d say there’s no chance in hell He is remotely Republican. I know this might surprise some of you, but I’ve  actually read and studied the Bible. 

Doesn't surprise me.........doesnt the Bible say Satan was well versed in the scripture?.......JUST KIDDING Elle?❤❤❤

[kevon67 2,368]

9 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Do you realize I was being sarcastic? 

The real Jesus wasn’t white. I use past tense because he is no longer in human form. Being from the Middle East, his skin color was most likely darker than pictures portray him. 

I agree

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2 hours ago, kevon67 said:

What does a white democrat Jesus look like?

I believe Cal Naughton Jr explained it best.

 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

44 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

Doesn't surprise me.........doesnt the Bible say Satan was well versed in the scripture?.......JUST KIDDING Elle?❤❤❤

Well according to some, since I’m liberal, I’m the devil.  You tell the Right I’m coming, and Hell is coming with me. ?

[NolaAuTiger 3,294]

7 hours ago, homersapien said:

I don't get it.  Trump could give a s*** about any religion, including Christianity.  Maybe especially Christianity.

What are they seeing in this narcissistic psychopath?    

I can understand why rich oligarchs and loser racists love him, but Christians???     Help me out.

Becuase the Bible says love your neighbor

[NolaAuTiger 3,294]

7 hours ago, homersapien said:

This is a very bad reflection on Christianity as an organized religion. 

It leads me to think that genuine Christians are a small minority of those who self-identify as Christian.  

Don’t you think the premise of Christianity is false in the first place?

[NolaAuTiger 3,294]

7 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Real Christians recognize this is a bad reflection. Pastors like John Pavlovitz are expressing vocal opposition to the messsge of evangelicals like Franklin Graham. And your thinking is correct. 

Supporting Trump is a bad reflection on Christianity? How about when Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes?

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15 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Don’t you think the premise of Christianity is false in the first place?

Premise yes.  Ideals no.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 minute ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Supporting Trump is a bad reflection on Christianity? How about when Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes?

Well darling, Jesus was/ is the savior of the world. His purpose on earth was so that the world through him could be saved. So that’s why he dined withsinners. Now I really doubt Trump was trying to lead those porn stars to God.  Evangelicals praising Trump as God’s man and excusing his adultery, lies, and boorish behavior when they’ve held other politicians accountable for similar behavior is hypocrisy and is a bad reflection on Christianity. It screams that those behaviors are sins when it’s not our guy. 

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18 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Becuase the Bible says love your neighbor

And they see that in Trump?? 

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Just now, GiveEmElle said:

Well darling, Jesus was/ is the savior of the world. His purpose on earth was so that the world through him could be saved. So that’s why he dined withsinners. Now I really doubt Trump was trying to lead those porn stars to God.  Evangelicals praising Trump as God’s man and excusing his adultery, lies, and boorish behavior when they’ve held other politicians accountable for similar behavior is hypocrisy and is a bad reflection on Christianity. It screams that those behaviors are sins when it’s not our guy. 

You’re dancing around the question. Jesus’ purpose was also to set an example that Christians are supposed to follow. I’m not talking about Trump witnessing to porn stars. I’m talking about Christians who support Trump, period. If that’s so bad, how is it reconciled from a Biblical perspective in light of those who Jesus associated himself with?

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3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

And they see that in Trump?? 

It also says love your enemy.

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3 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Hate to disappoint you, but that’s not my writings. However, putting me on your ignore list would be equivalent and you could pretend I’m raptured kinda like how you pretend Trump is a good president. 

It's easier to believe you're ruptured by your hate (and I do mean ruptured).

[NolaAuTiger 3,294]

11 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Premise yes.  Ideals no.

Interesting... becuase I would say both are mutually inclusive by necessity. At least that’s what I’ve gathered from studying the scriptures.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

5 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

You’re dancing around the question. Jesus’ purpose was also to set an example that Christians are supposed to follow. I’m not talking about Trump witnessing to porn stars. I’m talking about Christians who support Trump, period. If that’s so bad, how is it reconciled from a Biblical perspective in light of those who Jesus associated himself with?

I’m going to share something extremely personal as an illustration. I’ll probsbly regret it because somebody on the right will be an ass about it. Have you ever heard of Paul’s teachings against being a stumbling block? 

When I was around the age of 12 I was sexually assaulted by a group of boys. It took a long time for me to overcome the fear that was a result of that experience. Fast forward years later to a candidate that says “you can do whatever you want, grab the by the *****.” I’m sitting in church and my pastor vocally supported this man. My deacons vocally supported him. They supported a man who committed acts just like the assault I experienced. It was heart wrenching and the messsge it sent was that my church leaders wouldn’t support victims but rather they’d support a man who was a sexual assaulter. 

Yes, Jesus associated with sinners but he was never a stumbling block. So I hope that answers your question. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

23 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

It's easier to believe you're ruptured by your hate (and I do mean ruptured).

Well you survived eight years of Obama without spontaneously combusting, so I’m sure I can make it until Mueller fixes this mess. 

[NolaAuTiger 3,294]

18 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

I’m going to share something extremely personal as an illustration. I’ll probsbly regret it because somebody on the right will be an ass about it. Have you ever heard of Paul’s teachings against being a stumbling block? 

When I was around the age of 12 I was sexually assaulted by a group of boys. It took a long time for me to overcome the fear that was a result of that experience. Fast forward years later to a candidate that says “you can do whatever you want, grab the by the *****.” I’m sitting in church and my pastor vocally supported this man. My deacons vocally supported him. They supported a man who committed acts just like the assault I experienced. It was heart wrenching and the messsge it sent was that my church leaders wouldn’t support victims but rather they’d support a man who was a sexual assaulter. 

Yes, Jesus associated with sinners but he was never a stumbling block. So I hope that answers your question. 

I am familiar with Paul’s words about being a stumbling block. However, I’m not sure I grasp the context in light of this conversation.

Please keep in mind I’m talking about Christians who support Trump, not people who support/celebrate his personal flaws. That’s a clear distinction. No one would argue that Jesus supported the acts of prostitutes on the basis that he ate with them/supported them.

Btw if your pastor supports sexual harassment, I would encourage you to find a new pastor.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

28 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

I am familiar with Paul’s words about being a stumbling block. However, I’m not sure I grasp the context in light of this conversation.

Please keep in mind I’m talking about Christians who support Trump, not people who support/celebrate his personal flaws. That’s a clear distinction. No one would argue that Jesus supported the acts of prostitutes on the basis that he ate with them/supported them.

Btw if your pastor supports sexual harassment, I would encourage you to find a new pastor.

Look, most Christian supporters of Trump excuse his sins because he is their guy. Take Franklin Graham for instance. He spoke out against Bill Clinton’s adultery saying that if a man could betray his wife and daughter then he could betray the country. But when it was Trump, Graham said that Trump’s adultery was no one’s business and it in no way reflected on his presidency. That was a dramatic shift. 

The problem with Christians who support Trump is that he is the antithesis of Christian values. So the message about choosing moral leaders got lost to supporting Republican leaders. The message shifted. They supported what is perhaps the most immoral candidate ever and called him Christian.

I left my church. I doubt the pastor would say he supports sexual assault. After all, he initiated background checks for all church workers who taught children. But then he supported a man who brags about sexual assault. So there is conflict in his messaging which harms anything else he preaches or teaches.

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3 hours ago, augolf1716 said:

You should remember this one kinda fits the times don't you think

 

Nice shot! I had forgotten that one.

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5 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Look, most Christian supporters of Trump excuse his sins because he is their guy. Take Franklin Graham for instance. He spoke out against Bill Clinton’s adultery saying that if a man could betray his wife and daughter then he could betray the country. But when it was Trump, Graham said that Trump’s adultery was no one’s business and it in no way reflected on his presidency. That was a dramatic shift. 

The problem with Christians who support Trump is that he is the antithesis of Christian values. So the message about choosing moral leaders got lost to supporting Republican leaders. The message shifted. They supported what is perhaps the most immoral candidate ever and called him Christian.

I still don’t feel like my question is being answered. 

As you know, you probably can’t say, “most Christians,” with certainty. And how do they excuse his sins - becuase they support his presidency?

His policies are absolutely not uniquely at opposition with Christian values. It’s error to say otherwise.

We can settle at this. Feel free to respond. I appreciate the exchange. You don’t need to address everything I’ve said. 

 

[Grumps 3,693]

10 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Do you realize I was being sarcastic? 

The real Jesus wasn’t white. I use past tense because he is no longer in human form. Being from the Middle East, his skin color was most likely darker than pictures portray him. And considering Jesus spent his earthly ministry healing the sick, I’d say there’s no chance in hell He is remotely Republican. I know this might surprise some of you, but I’ve  actually read and studied the Bible. 

Yes, I know you were being sarcastic. I was too. And my reply was IN NO WAY meant to be negative toward you. If anything, it was in COMPLETE agreement. I was thinking that Jesus was NOT white, and was NOT republican (or democrat). So then I just wondered, would His skin appear more white or would His ideals appear more republican. I don't know the answer! I am somewhat quirky at times. This was one of those times...but it is still funny to think about!

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8 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Look, most Christian supporters of Trump excuse his sins because he is their guy. Take Franklin Graham for instance. He spoke out against Bill Clinton’s adultery saying that if a man could betray his wife and daughter then he could betray the country. But when it was Trump, Graham said that Trump’s adultery was no one’s business and it in no way reflected on his presidency. That was a dramatic shift. 

The problem with Christians who support Trump is that he is the antithesis of Christian values. So the message about choosing moral leaders got lost to supporting Republican leaders. The message shifted. They supported what is perhaps the most immoral candidate ever and called him Christian.

I left my church. I doubt the pastor would say he supports sexual assault. After all, he initiated background checks for all church workers who taught children. But then he supported a man who brags about sexual assault. So there is conflict in his messaging which harms anything else he preaches or teaches.

I can COMPLETELY see why you would take offense to what happened in your church. I also COMPLETELY agree that Franklin Graham has in many ways crossed over from being a Christian leader to being a political pawn. I agree that Trump is immoral. What I don't agree with is that your former pastor was supporting Trump's actions. If you are willing to answer, I would like to ask this: In your opinion, is Trump or Mrs. Clinton more likely to support the growth/mission of the "Christian" church?

Also, thanks for being willing to explain some of the reason behind your beliefs. Sadly, people here may use that against you. If I see it, I promise never to bring up your past and to defend you if anyone else does (not that you need defending!)

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

9 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

I still don’t feel like my question is being answered. 

As you know, you probably can’t say, “most Christians,” with certainty. And how do they excuse his sins - becuase they support his presidency?

His policies are absolutely not uniquely at opposition with Christian values. It’s error to say otherwise.

We can settle at this. Feel free to respond. I appreciate the exchange. You don’t need to address everything I’ve said. 

 

Is your question not how Christians supporting him casts a bad light on Christianity? Perhaps you aren’t familiar with Christianity? I’m not sure there are many more ways I can explain that supporting him was going against many Christian beliefs. Again I’ll use my own experiences. My former pastor went ballistic when the transgender bathroom issues was settled. He preached a sermon on sexual immorality. Then he supported a sexually immoral candidate. My Christian best friend confronted a teenage boy for slapping her daughter on the rear at a football game then voted for a man who said you could grab women by the *****. Her Christian sister says women should dress modestly if they don’t want to get raped then praises a First Lady who was a nude model for being classy. The sins that Christians stood against in daily life, they supported in Trump. 

And yes, some of his policies are at odds with the Bible. Immigration for one. Leviticus tells Christians how to treat the immigrant. And I can promise you there is nothing in there about separating children from their mothers and throwing them in cages. And it’s not just policy but it’s his overall boorish behavior. He is unkind, where the Bible commands kindness. 

When you heard for eight years Christians saying we needed a godly president, then you see those same people vote for an ungodly one, the hypocrisy is glaring. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 hour ago, Grumps said:

Yes, I know you were being sarcastic. I was too. And my reply was IN NO WAY meant to be negative toward you. If anything, it was in COMPLETE agreement. I was thinking that Jesus was NOT white, and was NOT republican (or democrat). So then I just wondered, would His skin appear more white or would His ideals appear more republican. I don't know the answer! I am somewhat quirky at times. This was one of those times...but it is still funny to think about!

Well I’m certain the answer is neither.