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How Putin works.....he got control of the German population and their economy without ever firing a shot. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/germany-and-russia-gas-links-trump-questions-europe-nord-stream2

Liberal Guardian tries to make this about Trump of course.....but the rest of Europe sees what is happening....

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1 hour ago, AU64 said:

How Putin works.....he got control of the German population and their economy without ever firing a shot. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/germany-and-russia-gas-links-trump-questions-europe-nord-stream2

Liberal Guardian tries to make this about Trump of course.....but the rest of Europe sees what is happening....

You have some really extreme views about Germany buying gas from Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/world/europe/trump-germany-russia-gas.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44794688

 

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Mueller just directly accused the Russian government of meddling with the newest indictments.

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24 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Mueller just directly accused the Russian government of meddling with the newest indictments.

I wonder why Russia wanted HRC to lose the election. I can only assume that they thought the other candidate would better serve their interests. 

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35 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

I wonder why Russia wanted HRC to lose the election. I can only assume that they thought the other candidate would better serve their interests. 

IF they really wanted to make sure DT would win they damn sure would have spent more than that paltry sum trying to affect the outcome.  About the only people convinced by the Russian effort seem to be dems....

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Mueller Indicts 12 Russian Officers for Hacking Dems in 2016

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced that 12 Russian officials would be indicted in the Russia investigation.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein on Friday announced that 12 Russian intelligence officers have been indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the ongoing probe of alleged collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

The officers, members of the Russian foreign-intelligence agency GRU, were all named as having hacked the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the Democratic National Committee, and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

According to a press release, alleged hackers Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk,  Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin, and Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev all worked for GRU's Unit 26165 and Unit 74455.

During a press conference, Rosenstein described that one unit collected information and the other was responsible for disseminating the stolen information. He also said that the officers took on the personas of hackers DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0. President Trump’s long-time confidant Roger Stone has admitted to having communications with Guccifer 2.0, and The Daily Beast reported in March that the “hacker” was actually an agent of the Russians.

Rosenstein additionally took a swipe at media personalities who have speculated about the Mueller probe.

“I want to caution you: People who speculate about federal investigations usually do not know all of the relevant facts,” he said. “We do not try cases on television or in congressional hearings. Most anonymous leaks are not from the government officials who are actually conducting these investigations.”

 

Read the rest at:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-12-russian-officers-for-hacking-dems-in-2016?ref=home

 

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22 minutes ago, AU64 said:

IF they really wanted to make sure DT would win they damn sure would have spent more than that paltry sum trying to affect the outcome.  About the only people convinced by the Russian effort seem to be dems....

That's as factual as anything I know.

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Mueller’s new indictments remind us of 2 core truths about the Trump-Russia story

Crimes were committed and Trump has sought impunity for the criminals.

Special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for crimes related to computer hacking aimed at the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign on Friday. It’s a powerful reminder of two core truths about the Trump-Russia story that have often gone missing amid the political controversy and amateur detective work.

First, regardless of the culpability of anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign, real crimes were committed in 2016 with real victims.

Second, both as a candidate for office and then continuing onward as president-elect and president, Donald Trump has worked to shelter the people who committed those crimes from exposure or accountability....

 

....During the campaign, of course, Trump very publicly and repeatedly lauded the criminals.

Donald Trump, October 10, 2016: "This just came out. WikiLeaks! I love WikiLeaks!"

This was poor form, he should not have done it, and the fact that he was doing it probably deserved to be a bigger point of emphasis in the coverage at the time.

But what’s really remarkable is that Trump has continued to operate as a kind of de facto accessory after the fact to the crimes, by repeatedly denying the existence of a Russian hacking campaign and by over and over again suggesting that Mueller and the federal investigators looking into the crime are nothing but a partisan political ploy.

Yet even on the most generous possible construal of Trump’s behavior, it’s Trump rather than Mueller who is viewing the matter through an exclusively political lens.

Obviously it’s possible to be less generous in one’s interpretation of Trump: You could believe that he is trying to stymie the investigation because he is aware that he is, personally, guilty of serious crimes and he fears that a thorough investigation will expose those crimes. But even if that’s not the case and he’s merely reacting to partisan interest in the investigation with his own partisan reflexes, the misconduct involved is serious.

A president has obligations to the country and to its citizens, even those citizens who didn’t vote for him. Trump’s inability to even feign anger or outrage at the real crimes committed again real American citizens is remarkable relative to the context of what’s ordinarily considered acceptable presidential behavior.

That it seems banal from Trump itself is perhaps understandable given how flagrantly and constantly he reminds us that he doesn’t care about anyone outside his narrow circle of support. But that’s merely a measure of how far we’ve fallen as a society.

Read the full piece at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/13/17568816/mueller-indictments-russia-gru-crime

 

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56 minutes ago, AU64 said:

IF they really wanted to make sure DT would win they damn sure would have spent more than that paltry sum trying to affect the outcome.  About the only people convinced by the Russian effort seem to be dems....

So you maintain that Mueller is squarely Dem/pro-Dem and anti-Trump/anti-GOP? 

Also, how much would an appropriate amount have been to spend? They succeeded in getting the emails released and that was enough- in addition to her own campaign gaffes- to sway the election. How much more should they have spent?

It's kind of weird to think that so many of you have decided to keep your wagons hitched to this horse. 

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10 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

So you maintain that Mueller is squarely Dem/pro-Dem and anti-Trump/anti-GOP? 

Also, how much would an appropriate amount have been to spend? They succeeded in getting the emails released and that was enough- in addition to her own campaign gaffes- to sway the election. How much more should they have spent?

It's kind of weird to think that so many of you have decided to keep your wagons hitched to this horse. 

Nothing these pod people do surprises me anymore. 

 

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The original 12 Russians  were brought up on two charges. Falsifying documents and interfering in an election. The original report had them mostly backing Trump but they did also hold rallies for Hillary and Bernie.

The other really important factor to consider is that 95% of their Facebook and Twitter posts were done so in Russian. I'm sure most everyone here saw them and read them.

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3 minutes ago, WDavE said:

The original 12 Russians  were brought up on two charges. Falsifying documents and interfering in an election. The original report had them mostly backing Trump but they did also hold rallies for Hillary and Bernie.

The other really important factor to consider is that 95% of their Facebook and Twitter posts were done so in Russian. I'm sure most everyone here saw them and read them.

Who cares about social media? They hacked the email accounts! 

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/robert-muellers-indictments-show-witches-are-very-real/

Mueller’s Latest Indictments Show That ‘Witches’ Are Very Real

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Earlier today the Grand Jury for the District of Columbia charged twelve Russian intelligence officers with conspiring “to gain unauthorized access (to ‘hack’) into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.” The operation was sustained and sophisticated, and it targeted “over 300 individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign, DCCC, and DNC,” according to the indictment.

Furthermore, the operation was consequential. When, in February, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office released its indictment of Russians involved in the effort to impact American debate through social media, there was some justified chuckling at the small scale and amateurishness of that effort. The messages were silly, and the spending was a drop in the ocean compared to the massive, sustained, and coordinated social-media spending of American political parties and their allies.

The hacking scandal was different. The hacking scandal mattered.

There’s no way to know if it moved enough votes in key states to swing the election, but the leaks of hacked emails dominated multiple news cycles, embarrassed key Democrats, and sowed a degree of discord within the Democratic party. Republicans, including Donald Trump, exulted in the revelations and sometimes explicitly called for more. “Russia, if you’re listening,” Trump said publicly on July 27, 2016, “I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”

Interestingly, it appears the Russians may indeed have been listening. “After hours” on July 27, the conspirators “for the first time” targeted “email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office,” according to Friday’s indictment.

There will be much more analysis and dot-connecting in the coming days, some of it valuable and much of it specious. But for now here are four key takeaways:

 
 

 

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