TitanTiger 20,406 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, akcwde said: So you don't believe something in the water is making the frogs gay????? I jest of course. Hopefully you don't consider Ben Shapiro fans as a part of that group. Would love it if he ran for office. I don’t always agree with Ben, though I frequently do. And sometimes he talks as if he might be borderline Aspergers. But no, I don't consider him or his fans “wingnuts.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, TitanTiger said: One can both not have their head in the sand while not buying all the deep state conspiracy bull**** being peddled right now. Can’t say the same about QAnon types and Jones devotees not being tinfoil hat wearing wingnuts. Did you see the Jones nonsense yesterday with Rubio? Holy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,406 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Did you see the Jones nonsense yesterday with Rubio? Holy crap. No. Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: No. Do tell. Enjoy this mess. https://www.npr.org/2018/09/05/644629018/marco-rubio-clashes-in-capitol-with-alex-jones-i-ll-take-care-of-you-myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcwde 27 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Enjoy this mess. https://www.npr.org/2018/09/05/644629018/marco-rubio-clashes-in-capitol-with-alex-jones-i-ll-take-care-of-you-myself Guy is a buffoon. I enjoy listening to Joe Rogan podcasts on occasion. He and Alex are friends and even Joe readily admits the guy has snakes in his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeek 16,525 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 It's beyond frustrating that the election came down to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We live in a country filled with some of the brightest and most honorable people the world has to offer; yet these were our best two options? Both of which are out of touch, too old, and self-serving. These theatrics by whoever wrote this are just too little too late; it would have taken a radical unified front to save the House from flipping and they simply haven't been able to act united. Republicans have backed themselves into a terrible corner. Democrats are already poised to sweep the House away from conservatives, and their swelling socialist support is very concerning. Maybe a Republican could challenge Trump for the 2020 bid but that would all but guarantee another Democratic president. I hate that Trump can't get out of his own way. He should have relaxed once he reached the office and ignored all the bad press. Whoever is pulling the strings on a lot of these policies is steering us in a prosperous direction but they need to figure out how to keep Trump off Twitter and make him more puppet like so the rational conservatives can drive the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/the-steady-state-is-shirking-its-obligation/569521/ The ‘Steady State’ Is Shirking Its Obligations If the president is unfit to serve, the anonymous op-ed authors have a duty to their country to come forward publicly. Bradley P. Moss Deputy executive director of the James Madison Project The recent publication in The New York Times of an anonymous op-ed by a “senior official in the Trump administration” brings into sharp relief the extent to which various members of the Trump administration are not just knowingly working to curb the president’s recklessness but are doing so based in part upon the belief that those impulses are the result of something deeper and more fundamentally unstable about the man himself. I long had assumed the president was prone to childish tantrums and had little time and less inclination to understand the mechanics of governance. I was nonetheless skeptical of the legitimacy of concerns about his mental or psychological health, especially when assessed from afar. Such concerns should never be haphazardly invoked. The op-ed, though, claims that a cadre of senior appointees—which it dubs the “Steady State”—has taken it upon itself to steer the government through choppy waters of erratic presidential behavior. Despite having good reason to doubt the president’s ability to fulfill his duties, it suggests, these officials are leaving an unstable individual in a position of unparalleled power so that they can achieve specific policy objectives. And the op-ed is far from the only evidence that this is the case. Several other anonymous “senior White House officials” have leaked to media outlets such as Axios that they have privately admitted to each other that the president is “unstable, and at times dangerously slow.” These reports repeatedly point to “adults in the room” protecting the government from a president whose stability they personally question. There is a logic behind supporting officials who stay in an administration to ensure the president’s recklessness is kept in check. That logic, however, cannot and should not override the constitutional system of government Americans ultimately hold most dear. President Trump—warts, foreign interference, and even potentially criminal collusion notwithstanding—is the duly elected chief executive. He received the necessary votes from the Electoral College. He took the oath of office as president of the United States. He is the constitutional head of the Executive Branch. My message to the “Steady State” is simple: If you truly believe what you say about the president’s purportedly erratic, unstable, and anti-democratic behavior, your obligation is not to stand by and do the dirty bureaucratic work behind the scenes. Your obligation to the country, and to the Constitution, is to come forward, publicly, and inform both the Congress and the American public of exactly what you have seen. This probably is not the most popular opinion among at least some of my fellow Never Trumpers. I have been vocal and clear in my concerns about the policy choices advanced by the president, his capacity to competently handle foreign diplomacy, and his profound disregard for equal application of the rule of law. More than once I have said—as have other Never Trumpers—that the president appears to be out of his depth on issues of policy substance and that the Trump administration appears to be advancing its goals in spite of him rather than under his direction. The president’s continued interference with, and attempted disruption of, the ongoing special-counsel investigation into alleged Russian collusion is particularly appalling and reflects his view that he can treat the Justice Department similar to how he used his legal “fixers” in his private life. But those concerns don’t justify what these officials describe. If the president is not mentally, physically, or psychologically fit to continue serving, or if he has engaged in reckless behavior in conflict with his oath of office, there are remedies built into our Constitution that are designed for this moment. There is the removal procedure of the 25th Amendment—and there is impeachment. Those are the lawful means by which a president can be removed from office prior to the completion of his term. It is unlikely that either remedy would be pursued at this moment, especially with the midterm elections a mere two months away. That is neither here nor there. It is the right of our duly elected representatives in Congress to decide whether such a drastic step should be taken. It is not the right of anonymous senior administration officials, no matter how noble nor well-intentioned they are in their efforts, to engage in the equivalent of an administrative coup d’état so they can maintain their temporary grip on government power and authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 I basically agree with the Moss article and the Jeet Heer thread. I will also add that I think the real folks to blame for this are the Republicans in Congress who are enabling Trump. Maybe they think they need Trump in office to enact their policy agenda; but I don't see how a President Pence would stand in their way. More likely, they have calculated that Trump is so popular with his base, and they are so in need of his base's support, that they have no choice but to take this course of action if they want to remain in office. All the more reason to vote them out, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeek 16,525 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 hours ago, AUbritt said: I basically agree with the Moss article and the Jeet Heer thread. I will also add that I think the real folks to blame for this are the Republicans in Congress who are enabling Trump. Maybe they think they need Trump in office to enact their policy agenda; but I don't see how a President Pence would stand in their way. More likely, they have calculated that Trump is so popular with his base, and they are so in need of his base's support, that they have no choice but to take this course of action if they want to remain in office. All the more reason to vote them out, if you ask me. Look at Ron DeSantis. The Trump bump has been real in these midterms. Believe it or not I’ve actually worked with somebody somewhere to Trump before. When there is a person and power their ego is so big it’s easier to stroke it than it is to go against it. You're right though long term it’s simply enabling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Zeek said: Look at Ron DeSantis. The Trump bump has been real in these midterms. Believe it or not I’ve actually worked with somebody somewhere to Trump before. When there is a person and power their ego is so big it’s easier to stroke it than it is to go against it. You're right though long term it’s simply enabling. Funny thing is, a good number of the ungrateful establishment republicans in Congress owe their elections to DT's win over HC. They don't want to admit it, but he had coat tails and in many cases he carried a bigger percent of the electorate than they did......but they still don't like him. JMO but they can hardly be called enablers when they have dragged their feet and done little to help him with his agenda. They are just looking out for their own jobs and most recognize that if they overtly oppose DT, they will pay a price at the ballot box. Meanwhile, the absence of leadership among dems in congress has claimed another victim.....10 term Mass. dem went down in his primary to an outspoken lefty which might signal where the party is headed now. She ran on abolishing ICE and giving prisoners the right to vote.....almost in the same league with the lady from NY and it appears that incumbent dems are having a difficult time with their "grass roots" voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeek 16,525 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, AU64 said: Funny thing is, a good number of the ungrateful establishment republicans in Congress owe their elections to DT's win over HC. They don't want to admit it, but he had coat tails and in many cases he carried a bigger percent of the electorate than they did......but they still don't like him. JMO but they can hardly be called enablers when they have dragged their feet and done little to help him with his agenda. They are just looking out for their own jobs and most recognize that if they overtly oppose DT, they will pay a price at the ballot box. Meanwhile, the absence of leadership among dems in congress has claimed another victim.....10 term Mass. dem went down in his primary to an outspoken lefty which might signal where the party is headed now. She ran on abolishing ICE and giving prisoners the right to vote.....almost in the same league with the lady from NY and it appears that incumbent dems are having a difficult time with their "grass roots" voters. I don’t understand why they think Pelosi is a remotely good leader and Bernie, who they cheated, is even worse. I just hope socialism doesn’t sweep the nation. Honestly, a few years ago, typing that last sentence would’ve felt like it was nothing but a joke. Crazy times we live in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,878 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 David Nakamura ✔@DavidNakamura Most DC journalists, incl. me, have quoted a "senior administration official" in stories. But I feel as though an op-ed like this should have an editor's note explaining what an SAO is. There are 1,212 Senate-confirmed positions, incl. 640 'key' jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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