White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You

[DKW 86 7,410]

 

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White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you.

They’re done.

They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why:

They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity.

They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence. They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him.

And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, 
you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, 
you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, 
you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, 
you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy,
your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership,
your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him,
you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet today, you openly give a “mulligan” to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion.
With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution.
With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission.
With him you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart.
With him, sin has become unimportant, compassion no longer a requirement.
With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly.

They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. 
They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus.
They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.
They see that all you’re really interested in doing, is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it.
They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave in these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness.
You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation.
You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness.
You’ve lost the plot.
And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you.

But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Maybe you need to read what he said again—if he still matters to you.

 

 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Who are the people he generalizes about? Is it only white evangelists? Spoken like the convert to the religious left he is.

https://indyweek.com/news/raleigh-s-john-pavlovitz-went-fired-megachurch-pastor-rising-star-religious-left/

[TitanTiger 20,469]

8 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Who are the people he generalizes about? Is it only white evangelists? Spoken like the convert to the religious left he is.

https://indyweek.com/news/raleigh-s-john-pavlovitz-went-fired-megachurch-pastor-rising-star-religious-left/

Rather than cast doubt on what he says based on the group you see him to be in, perhaps you could address some specific areas of disagreement with what he said?

[Mid Atlantic Tiger 150]

5 hours ago, Proud Tiger said:

Who are the people he generalizes about? Is it only white evangelists? Spoken like the convert to the religious left he is.

As a fella who came from the "Religious Right" as a boy, was on my way to Southern Seminary, I am quite thankful that I was taken in a different direction and am no longer a heretical Evangelical.  

Yes, I said heretical.  Evangelicalism has zilch to do with the Gospel of Christ.  

 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

5 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

Rather than cast doubt on what he says based on the group you see him to be in, perhaps you could address some specific areas of disagreement with what he said?

I concede that he has a point and that race is definitely an issue, I'm not going to deny that. There is definitely racial prejudice among groups of evangelicals but I don't agree that a majority of evangelicals used race as the main factor in their opposition to Obama. I see it more as political views being the overriding factor with how evangelicals treat candidates. For sure though Obama received some hate from the religious right. But again, I don't see it being a majority that were opposing Obama because of race.

You could literally take out the words Obama and race in the article and replace them with Hillary and gender and make virtually the same argument that white evangelicals are sexist/misogynist for opposing Hillary in 2016. I mean Hillary's clearly white, so race wasn't the reason evangelicals backed Trump over her. It's because her political views didn't align with the political views of evangelicals

[DKW 86 7,410]

4 hours ago, Mid Atlantic Tiger said:

As a fella who came from the "Religious Right" as a boy, was on my way to Southern Seminary, I am quite thankful that I was taken in a different direction and am no longer a heretical Evangelical.  

Yes, I said heretical.  Evangelicalism has zilch to do with the Gospel of Christ.  

 

I have offered that I think that a lot of conservative churches, specifically those found in the South, have turned into nothing more than Country Clubs for White Folks. My own church is criticized for having a racially mixed congregation by these same churches. I was brought up in an Evangelical Church that taught that women MUST wear dresses in church. I dont have any idea how many women young and old we spiritually killed with this policy way back then. That church has since stopped, but how many women we escorted back to their cars for nothing more than wearing slacks. God doesnt care about your clothes. It is about you the individual. A woman coming to worship for the first time doesnt know the damn dress code. <fer>

A lot of the churches in the South are not churches at all. They are country clubs for conservative white folks. While I was on staff at an SBC church, I got to see a report from the SB Convention BRAGGING about its 2.25% growth rate. Folks, 2.25% is the historical difference between the Birth and Death Rates in the US. 2.25% is actually NO Growth. So the totality view of SBC Evangelism is: These churches collectively act as combination Funeral Homes and Wedding Chapels. All the evangelism they accomplish is done in the bedrooms. So, the SBC, a denom of 15M or so is actually making Zero Impact-Zero Growth most years. By their fruit you will know them.

[AUFAN78 3,889]

6 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

 

 

A bit to all encompassing IMO. Outliers come in many stripes.

[DKW 86 7,410]

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[Mikey 16,546]

17 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a black President;

I must confess to being white. (That's supposed to make me feel guilty, but it doesn't) I am not an evangelical. I am not any  brand of religionist. I was duped into voting for Obama the first time because he's a slick talker that presents himself well and I didn't care for McCain. I supported Obama until his "Apologize for America" tour.  Therefore, I only demonized that anti-American jerk for 7 & 1/2 years.

Opposing a politician whose actions you find despicable is not racist.

[homersapien 11,352]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I must confess to being white. (That's supposed to make me feel guilty, but it doesn't) I am not an evangelical. I am not any  brand of religionist. I was duped into voting for Obama the first time because he's a slick talker that presents himself well and I didn't care for McCain. I supported Obama until his "Apologize for America" tour.  Therefore, I only demonized that anti-American jerk for 7 & 1/2 years.

Opposing a politician whose actions you find despicable is not racist.

"Apologize for America tour".

Can you please quote the worst thing he said in that "tour".  Considering the impact it had on you, it should be easy.

[Mikey 16,546]

Just now, homersapien said:

"Apologize for America tour".

Can you please quote the worst thing he said in that "tour".  Considering the impact it had on you, it should be easy.

Not verbatim, that was almost ten years ago. He went  from country to country in the mid east apologizing for American exceptionalism. Damn right we are exceptional, and it's something to be proud of, not something to apologize for. Previous generations of Americans worked, sweated, bled and died to build a great nation while those people, who had a 5,000 year head start on us, were sitting around smoking hash and stoning women for giving some man a sideways glance. Valarie Jarrett's cats paw had no business being our president and that's got nothing to do with race.

[homersapien 11,352]

6 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Not verbatim, that was almost ten years ago. He went  from country to country in the mid east apologizing for American exceptionalism. Damn right we are exceptional, and it's something to be proud of, not something to apologize for. Previous generations of Americans worked, sweated, bled and died to build a great nation while those people, who had a 5,000 year head start on us, were sitting around smoking hash and stoning women for giving some man a sideways glance. Valarie Jarrett's cats paw had no business being our president and that's got nothing to do with race.

That is not what he said. 

I think you are are misremembering.  Motivated recall, so to speak. 

Not to mention your xenophobia is showing.  American is composed of "those" people, at least in part.

[jj3jordan 2,039]

Wow DKW you just keep telling yourself that. 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

31 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Wow DKW you just keep telling yourself that. 

You're new here.  Word of advice.  Read the board rules with regards to the serious forum.  Comments here need to have substance as we try to keep this part of the site more intellectual.  If you want, you may be more interested in the Political Smack Board.

[Mikey 16,546]

14 hours ago, homersapien said:

American is composed of "those" people, at least in part.

Well, the Barbary Pirates did provide a catchy line for the Marine's tune. So yeah, they contributed something.

[DKW 86 7,410]

6 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Wow DKW you just keep telling yourself that. 

1) What exactly do you think I am telling myself?

2) You do realize that I am sharing an article, surely one I agree with, but it is an article authored by someone else.

[homersapien 11,352]

9 hours ago, Mikey said:

Well, the Barbary Pirates did provide a catchy line for the Marine's tune. So yeah, they contributed something.

The history of American Muslims goes back more than 400 years. Although some evidence suggests that there were Muslims on Columbus’ ships, the first clearly documented arrival of Muslims in America occurred in the 17th century with the arrival of slaves from Africa. Scholars estimate that anywhere from a quarter to a third of the enslaved Africans brought to the United States were Muslims. Large numbers of Moriscos (former Muslims of Spain and Portugal) also came to the Spanish colonies, including many areas of what is today the United States. Although enslaved people were denied freedom of religion, many did practice their faith in secret and pass it on to their children. There are several autobiographies of Muslim slaves that survive from this period, including some by individuals who were involved in the Abolitionist movement and were Union soldiers during the Civil War.

The next significant wave of Muslim immigrants began in the mid-19th century. During the late 19th century until the 1920s, large numbers of Arabs, mostly from Lebanon and Greater Syria, arrived in the United States. Although the majority of these immigrants (almost 90%) were Arab Christians, there were sizable clusters of Muslims, most of whom settled in the Midwest. Mohammed Alexander Russell Webb, an early American convert to Islam, established a mosque and mission in New York City in 1893. The first mosque structure built in the United States for the purpose of serving a Muslim community was in Ross, North Dakota (1929) and the oldest surviving mosque is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa (1934).

African-Americans began to rediscover their African Islamic roots after the Great Migration of Blacks from the South to the Northern cities after World Wars I and II. The re-emergence of African-American Islam has been a consistent phenomenon during the twentieth century until the present. Today, African-American Muslims constitute roughly a third of the American Muslim population.

After passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, greater numbers of Muslims began migrating to America along with many other immigrants with diverse backgrounds. The change in immigration laws allowed highly-skilled professionals to enter the U.S. Many Muslims who came during this time period were from the Middle East and South Asia (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh).

https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/publications/what-is-the-truth-about-american-muslims/american-muslims-in-the-united

 

[Mikey 16,546]

On 11/17/2018 at 7:59 AM, homersapien said:

The history of American Muslims goes back more than 400 years.

So, Shiek Abdul-Ben Ibraham's signature has been quietly overlooked on the Declaration of Independence and it was  Scheherazade, not Dolly Madison, who sewed the flag. I think your source would agree with that!

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

On 11/16/2018 at 7:31 AM, Mikey said:

I must confess to being white. (That's supposed to make me feel guilty, but it doesn't) I am not an evangelical. I am not any  brand of religionist. I was duped into voting for Obama the first time because he's a slick talker that presents himself well and I didn't care for McCain. I supported Obama until his "Apologize for America" tour.  Therefore, I only demonized that anti-American jerk for 7 & 1/2 years.

Opposing a politician whose actions you find despicable is not racist.

If you are not a white evangelical then none of the comments made in the OP article are addressed to you. 

[Mikey 16,546]

7 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

If you are not a white evangelical then none of the comments made in the OP article are addressed to you. 

None of the comments in the basketball forum are addressed to me. Does that mean I am not permitted to post comments there? How silly!

[homersapien 11,352]

20 minutes ago, Mikey said:

None of the comments in the basketball forum are addressed to me. Does that mean I am not permitted to post comments there? How silly!

That's not what she said.

[homersapien 11,352]

8 hours ago, Mikey said:

So, Shiek Abdul-Ben Ibraham's signature has been quietly overlooked on the Declaration of Independence and it was  Scheherazade, not Dolly Madison, who sewed the flag. I think your source would agree with that!

Specious argument.

 

[AU64 10,122]

On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 3:18 PM, TitanTiger said:

Rather than cast doubt on what he says based on the group you see him to be in, perhaps you could address some specific areas of disagreement with what he said?

Seems like this is out of date....BO has moved on and not that many people care that much about him any more and guess he and his supporters are really ticked that most of his "accomplishment" legal and otherwise, have been unraveled.     As for the WEs....they are still out there in abundance,  active in mission and charitable causes, going about their daily lives....and pretty much are the opposite of all those negative description from some angry person is free to generalize about whites ....proud of their righteous anger....and no apologies for painting everyone with the same brush.  

I'm tempted to declare this a racist rant....but probably ought not to do that. So I will just suggest that it is both ignorant and arrogant.   Seems to be another case where some person or group of them are expected to prove their innocence. 

[maxwere 82]

As a person who self identifies as a very conservative white evangelical... I approve this post.  (I can provide anecdotal evidence to each point, but observe the general crux)

Don't ignore the hypocrisy and religious dogmatics of the left (Jn 7:24).  It too is a product of 19th century fundamentalist evangelical revivalism.