Congrats to Bryce Brown

[AU64 10,122]

Worrying about his defense ...or the team in general but was browsing some stats a few minutes and note that AU is one of the poorest shooting teams in the country.....something like 140th in FG and 80th in 3 point shooting.  

Knew from watching games and seeing stat game by game …and games like the other night, that our guys lack a real shooting eye.....and gotta consider that we have a fair number of break aways during many games.   

Brown is our leading shooter...shots taken....2s and 3s and yet has rather modest percentages in both situations.......FTs too if you include that.    SO......will that catch up with us (and him) when the season gets more serious?   Or can his defense offset the poor shooting?   

Looking at the stats, the guys with poorest shooting percentages are taking the most shots.     Why?       If you look at all the various stats....Okeke is the "man".....in just about all aspects of the game. 

[AUBwins 10,074]

4 hours ago, AU64 said:

Worrying about his defense ...or the team in general but was browsing some stats a few minutes and note that AU is one of the poorest shooting teams in the country.....something like 140th in FG and 80th in 3 point shooting.  

Knew from watching games and seeing stat game by game …and games like the other night, that our guys lack a real shooting eye.....and gotta consider that we have a fair number of break aways during many games.   

Brown is our leading shooter...shots taken....2s and 3s and yet has rather modest percentages in both situations.......FTs too if you include that.    SO......will that catch up with us (and him) when the season gets more serious?   Or can his defense offset the poor shooting?   

Looking at the stats, the guys with poorest shooting percentages are taking the most shots.     Why?       If you look at all the various stats....Okeke is the "man".....in just about all aspects of the game. 

Pretty much what Cole has been saying.  

[bigbird 60,461]

8 hours ago, AU64 said:

Worrying about his defense ...or the team in general but was browsing some stats a few minutes and note that AU is one of the poorest shooting teams in the country.....something like 140th in FG and 80th in 3 point shooting.  

Knew from watching games and seeing stat game by game …and games like the other night, that our guys lack a real shooting eye.....and gotta consider that we have a fair number of break aways during many games.   

Brown is our leading shooter...shots taken....2s and 3s and yet has rather modest percentages in both situations.......FTs too if you include that.    SO......will that catch up with us (and him) when the season gets more serious?   Or can his defense offset the poor shooting?   

Looking at the stats, the guys with poorest shooting percentages are taking the most shots.     Why?       If you look at all the various stats....Okeke is the "man".....in just about all aspects of the game. 

Gene be like

[AU64 10,122]

6 hours ago, AUBwins said:

Pretty much what Cole has been saying.  

Me and Cole in agreement ?   Tell me it ain't true...

[mustache eagle 2,397]

Our D is carrying our O to allow us to be in the top 10

[jared52 4,354]

If AU were shooting lights out right now, I’m the top 20 in several offensive categories, and had beaten Duke, people would be complaining that they peaked too soon. Just let the team develop and enjoy the winning. 😂

[AU64 10,122]

4 minutes ago, jared52 said:

If AU were shooting lights out right now, I’m the top 20 in several offensive categories, and had beaten Duke, people would be complaining that they peaked too soon. Just let the team develop and enjoy the winning. 😂

But, but, but......if the offense is having trouble won't the Defense just get discouraged and quit playing hard ?     

Oh wait.....that's right....it's the same guys playing O and D.   And in this case, it seems that when the O is a bit off, the defense just cranks it down a bit harder...…..and that seems to be working.  

[augolf1716 21,102]

20 minutes ago, AU64 said:

But, but, but......if the offense is having trouble won't the Defense just get discouraged and quit playing hard ?     

Oh wait.....that's right....it's the same guys playing O and D.   And in this case, it seems that when the O is a bit off, the defense just cranks it down a bit harder...…..and that seems to be working.  

And as Coach Pearl says defense travels well..........

[cole256 17,042]

Lol if you don't want to talk basketball then why come to a basketball forum? Nothing to see here we've done everything perfect! We don't talk about a team unless we're trash! 😂

[gravejd 3,270]

One thing i've noticed about BB that i'm not a fan of is that he seems to press too much when the shots are not falling. I'm not sure if he is worried about stats or just frustrated with himself. But it seems to me he is great and distributing the ball when he is shooting well but not so much when his shots are not falling. This is the exact opposite of how it should be so i hope this is something Pearl is talking to him about. 

Case in point is a steal (i think early in the 2nd half against UNCAsh) where Brown deflects the ball and gets a break away. He had a team mate about 3 steps in front of him that he could have gave the ball to but instead took the layup himself. It was his 4th point of the game. I think AU thrives when everyone is sharing the ball and i thought Brown made some great passes early in the season where he gave a up a good shot for a better shot. He needs to keep that going 

[Gene Loblaw 636]

It’s amazing to me that experts in the b-ball world (Bruce, Jay Bilas, Jimmy Dykes etc) all see Bryce as an absolute lockdown defender, but the tronz board dinguses that try to pretend to know hoops like to be overly critical to protect their tronz rep. It’s a shame really

[Tiger 8,818]

21 minutes ago, gravejd said:

One thing i've noticed about BB that i'm not a fan of is that he seems to press too much when the shots are not falling. I'm not sure if he is worried about stats or just frustrated with himself. But it seems to me he is great and distributing the ball when he is shooting well but not so much when his shots are not falling. This is the exact opposite of how it should be so i hope this is something Pearl is talking to him about. 

Case in point is a steal (i think early in the 2nd half against UNCAsh) where Brown deflects the ball and gets a break away. He had a team mate about 3 steps in front of him that he could have gave the ball to but instead took the layup himself. It was his 4th point of the game. I think AU thrives when everyone is sharing the ball and i thought Brown made some great passes early in the season where he gave a up a good shot for a better shot. He needs to keep that going 

I noticed this too

[Tiger 8,818]

14 hours ago, cole256 said:

@Tiger See what I'm talking about? Saying Brown is the best on ball defender in the country is hilarious. Coach speak

Lol that's funny I actually thought of you when I saw that clip

[cole256 17,042]

30 minutes ago, gravejd said:

One thing i've noticed about BB that i'm not a fan of is that he seems to press too much when the shots are not falling. I'm not sure if he is worried about stats or just frustrated with himself. But it seems to me he is great and distributing the ball when he is shooting well but not so much when his shots are not falling. This is the exact opposite of how it should be so i hope this is something Pearl is talking to him about. 

Case in point is a steal (i think early in the 2nd half against UNCAsh) where Brown deflects the ball and gets a break away. He had a team mate about 3 steps in front of him that he could have gave the ball to but instead took the layup himself. It was his 4th point of the game. I think AU thrives when everyone is sharing the ball and i thought Brown made some great passes early in the season where he gave a up a good shot for a better shot. He needs to keep that going 

I know what play you're talking about, I think it was a mac, and I agree. Situations like that you give it to your big man. You'll have nxt more opportunities because you're a guard. Give that up and the entire team respects you

[cole256 17,042]

2 hours ago, AU64 said:

But, but, but......if the offense is having trouble won't the Defense just get discouraged and quit playing hard ?     

Oh wait.....that's right....it's the same guys playing O and D.   And in this case, it seems that when the O is a bit off, the defense just cranks it down a bit harder...…..and that seems to be working.  

Being that defense on football is played by another group of people, I don't think this makes sense at all. I see what you're trying to do but the fact that it's not the same players is a pretty big factor, too many different variables. I'm sure the defense would love to stop them every single time but the offense in football directly impacts how the defense performs.

[AU64 10,122]

4 minutes ago, cole256 said:

Being that defense on football is played by another group of people, I don't think this makes sense at all. I see what you're trying to do but the fact that it's not the same players is a pretty big factor, too many different variables. I'm sure the defense would love to stop them every single time but the offense in football directly impacts how the defense performs.

True...I was being a smart aleck...but even in basketball, some guys play defense and some play offense among the same 5 to 7 regular players.   

How often do you see a gunner fire up a wild shot and just loaf back down the floor while his mates are busting their tails to get back and stop the opponent?    Let that go on for long and pretty soon the "defenders" are gonna wonder about it.   A team has to play as a team and everyone do the best in whatever their role is....and not worry about the other guys are doing....ideally. 

I'm suggesting that to some extend the wrong guys are taking the majority of shots....but that's just based on stats...

[JwgreDeux 1,279]

On 12/5/2018 at 1:14 PM, mustache eagle said:

the one thing about this discussion that has been clarifying to me ... the stats from Wesley person!  He didn't get his due.  That dude had impressive stats over his Auburn career.  

CBP really likes Brown.  He also seems to think really better of doughty over dunbar.  maybe its because of dunbars energy off the bench?  If that was the case then the same could be made for Mac off the bench and Wiley starting.  I'd love to know why CBP is playing the rotation he is.

I love Dunbar off the bench and hope that remains his role for the rest of the season, Andre Iguodala style. I would expect Wiley will likely assume the starting spot from McLemore sooner or later. 

On 12/5/2018 at 7:10 PM, cole256 said:

I feel you. I'm scared about messing up and losing early in the tournament, I think that's the worst thing that could happen to us

I think our defense is good enough to keep us in every game we play this season, even if we are having an off night shooting. Big difference from years past. Also, our defensive style is not to try and keep guys in front, but to speed up the other team and force them to make mistakes. 

15 hours ago, Gene Loblaw said:

leader and heart of the team. It's amazing that some dingus so called expert on here said that he wouldn't even have Bryce in his starting five. Just shows you how far AU needs to come until it produces not just a respectable bball program, but also some more intelligent basketball fans.

Harper is clearly the leader on the court. Not sure who the "heart" is, but it seems the "heart" is more chemistry than one guy that everyone looks to. Also, plenty of people on here share good opinions. 

1 hour ago, gravejd said:

One thing i've noticed about BB that i'm not a fan of is that he seems to press too much when the shots are not falling. I'm not sure if he is worried about stats or just frustrated with himself. But it seems to me he is great and distributing the ball when he is shooting well but not so much when his shots are not falling. This is the exact opposite of how it should be so i hope this is something Pearl is talking to him about. 

Case in point is a steal (i think early in the 2nd half against UNCAsh) where Brown deflects the ball and gets a break away. He had a team mate about 3 steps in front of him that he could have gave the ball to but instead took the layup himself. It was his 4th point of the game. I think AU thrives when everyone is sharing the ball and i thought Brown made some great passes early in the season where he gave a up a good shot for a better shot. He needs to keep that going 

 

31 minutes ago, cole256 said:

I know what play you're talking about, I think it was a mac, and I agree. Situations like that you give it to your big man. You'll have nxt more opportunities because you're a guard. Give that up and the entire team respects you

It was McLemore, but he was above the three point line, closer to the timeline when Brown got the ball. You don't want to give it to a five man that far from the hoop to dribble the rest of the fast break with defenders trailing. He could have thrown a lob, but I thought the call pass or finish himself was a 50/50 call. Didn't see it as a selfish play. 

[gravejd 3,270]

3 minutes ago, JwgreDeux said:

I love Dunbar off the bench and hope that remains his role for the rest of the season, Andre Iguodala style. I would expect Wiley will likely assume the starting spot from McLemore sooner or later. 

I think our defense is good enough to keep us in every game we play this season, even if we are having an off night shooting. Big difference from years past. Also, our defensive style is not to try and keep guys in front, but to speed up the other team and force them to make mistakes. 

Harper is clearly the leader on the court. Not sure who the "heart" is, but it seems the "heart" is more chemistry than one guy that everyone looks to. Also, plenty of people on here share good opinions. 

 

It was McLemore, but he was above the three point line, closer to the timeline when Brown got the ball. You don't want to give it to a five man that far from the hoop to dribble the rest of the fast break with defenders trailing. He could have thrown a lob, but I thought the call pass or finish himself was a 50/50 call. Didn't see it as a selfish play. 

i agree it was border line and wasn't blatant at all. But i've thought in the past that he tries to shoot his way out of a slump (as shooters are want to do) and this play reminded of that

[jared52 4,354]

Another side of the argument is that Bryce got the steal and earned the dunk. There was also a defender right behind Mac who might have been able to foul him.

[cole256 17,042]

5 hours ago, AU64 said:

Me and Cole in agreement ?   Tell me it ain't true...

Well I guess you was going to luck up and be right sooner or later

[tgrogan21 6,198]

3 hours ago, gravejd said:

One thing i've noticed about BB that i'm not a fan of is that he seems to press too much when the shots are not falling. I'm not sure if he is worried about stats or just frustrated with himself. But it seems to me he is great and distributing the ball when he is shooting well but not so much when his shots are not falling. This is the exact opposite of how it should be so i hope this is something Pearl is talking to him about. 

Case in point is a steal (i think early in the 2nd half against UNCAsh) where Brown deflects the ball and gets a break away. He had a team mate about 3 steps in front of him that he could have gave the ball to but instead took the layup himself. It was his 4th point of the game. I think AU thrives when everyone is sharing the ball and i thought Brown made some great passes early in the season where he gave a up a good shot for a better shot. He needs to keep that going 

The second point happened several times in the game. Not just to Brown. I remember Dunbar had the opportunity to pass it and try to find an open man but he decided to play hero ball and took a contested lay-up and I think turned it over or missed the shot. That has happened a number of times this year and frustrates me every time it happens. Don't be selfish, make the pass, get the points, and your teammate will return the favor later on.

[cole256 17,042]

I have to disagree with the not trying to stay in front on defense. If that's the case how do you even play defense? And how would someone that doesn't have to do that could be called the best defensive player? 

As far as the fast break play it's not a selfish play at all, but it's not a leadership play either. You always reward your big man. He A mac was just a couple of steps behind him. Just a dribble and hand off basically, it would hardly be a pass. A lob would be doable but only with a very good passer at that angle so I wouldn't think he needs to lob it. But you could see that's not anything that was on his mind and as long as you get a bucket it's fine.

If I'm playing against a good team though I'm feeding A mac. Also Brown isn't an incredible athlete or anything highlight but A mac is, different type of energy if you let him try to rip it off the back board. 

[cole256 17,042]

IMO Brown's style of play would be better suited to come off the bench more than anybody. There's no way I would not have Dunbar out there though, I'd let Doughty come off the bench, Dunbar does too many things well IMO. And he wasn't hesitant or scared at all during the Maui tournament

[JwgreDeux 1,279]

On 12/7/2018 at 1:23 PM, cole256 said:

I have to disagree with the not trying to stay in front on defense. If that's the case how do you even play defense? And how would someone that doesn't have to do that could be called the best defensive player? 

As far as the fast break play it's not a selfish play at all, but it's not a leadership play either. You always reward your big man. He A mac was just a couple of steps behind him. Just a dribble and hand off basically, it would hardly be a pass. A lob would be doable but only with a very good passer at that angle so I wouldn't think he needs to lob it. But you could see that's not anything that was on his mind and as long as you get a bucket it's fine.

If I'm playing against a good team though I'm feeding A mac. Also Brown isn't an incredible athlete or anything highlight but A mac is, different type of energy if you let him try to rip it off the back board. 

I'm not saying we don't try and keep our guy in front of us. I'm saying that our defense is more of a create chaos than a force jump shots style of defense. Look at the turnovers etc that result. Bryce is a good defender, not best in the SEC, but very good. Probably our best. 

I hear what you are saying about the fast-break play, but I just didn't quite see it the same. The defender was trailing McLemore, not Brown. Safest thing was to keep it himself. I'm always a fan of rewarding your bigs, just could see why not on that one. Splitting hairs on that one though. 

On 12/7/2018 at 1:26 PM, cole256 said:

IMO Brown's style of play would be better suited to come off the bench more than anybody. There's no way I would not have Dunbar out there though, I'd let Doughty come off the bench, Dunbar does too many things well IMO. And he wasn't hesitant or scared at all during the Maui tournament

We just see it differently here. Brown and Harper both need a lot of minutes for their games. Brown isn't a come of the bench and take 7 shots kinda player. We would be worse off if that is how he was used. Dunbar is excelling in his role. With Purifoy coming back, I'm glad he is our sixth man. Maybe the best sixth man in the league. His game is suited to instant impact minutes. Think CBP has managed him just right. 

[cole256 17,042]

1 hour ago, JwgreDeux said:

I'm not saying we don't try and keep our guy in front of us. I'm saying that our defense is more of a create chaos than a force jump shots style of defense. Look at the turnovers etc that result. Bryce is a good defender, not best in the SEC, but very good. Probably our best. 

I hear what you are saying about the fast-break play, but I just didn't quite see it the same. The defender was trailing McLemore, not Brown. Safest thing was to keep it himself. I'm always a fan of rewarding your bigs, just could see why not on that one. Splitting hairs on that one though. 

We just see it differently here. Brown and Harper both need a lot of minutes for their games. Brown isn't a come of the bench and take 7 shots kinda player. We would be worse off if that is how he was used. Dunbar is excelling in his role. With Purifoy coming back, I'm glad he is our sixth man. Maybe the best sixth man in the league. His game is suited to instant impact minutes. Think CBP has managed him just right. 

My point is just the same as offense, if he gets leeway like the green light to shoot whenever he wants then on defense is more about running than actually having to be disciplined then just like I can see he's a pretty good shooter but I know it's the system more than anything; no I'm not going to say he's an great defender. I'll say he's good if for nothing else being out there and being fairly accurate shooting when that can really weigh on you. I'll change when I see him play a guy who's a known scorer and he really makes them work.

I didn't watch every game last year but I watched the big ones and I didn't see that. I haven't seen it this year either. When we play Murray st he should have to guard Morant and we can see if he's what many of you say. 

You guys not looking at how he has a Mac behind him. This year he has him and Wiley. That erases alot of mistakes when they're smart. If they're not you have the Xavier and Duke game. He had Murray and Herron last year to do heavy lifting.....and some of you have the audacity to say Brown is the on the top of SEC and Herron wasn't good at it. When Herron was the one playing guys completely out of position. Now he doesn't have that. He have to guard that 6'6" guy now for duke. And I'll give may be the best perimeter defender but on the team? That's a slap in A Mac's face. We couldn't hardly function when he was hurt. 

The thing as far as turnovers I see them now but we need to wait and see in conference play, the Duke PG didn't have any trouble at all.

Last thing I see what you say as far as Brown not a come off the bench take 7 shot guy. He is that type of guy but he seems to heat up as the game goes as opposed to instant offense. So you're probably right with that, but I will say just because he excel in one role doesn't mean he wouldn't excel and be even greater in another. Coaches play favorites all the time. I wouldn't think of sitting Brown but I would do something with the 3.

You seem to be comfortable with how everything was last year, we didn't win last year though. But good talk.