AUsince72 11,084 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just now, homersapien said: "Auburn playing hardball" my ass! Sure they are. They're playing hardball with the fans. They're making it HARD to watch Auburn footBALL. I'm so clever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwagoner 214 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, DAG said: I don’t see the point of hiring an AD or having a coach if you just going to handicap both entities. And no , I am not fond of Gus What good are puppeteers if they have no puppet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4AU 4,043 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Hard to fire a 10 win coach with a CFP or New Years 6 bowl berth winning cures all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,263 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 As far as Josh Moon goes, I am more interested in how he's getting is information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURealist 2,185 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, keesler said: Ehh, this sounds like they want Gus to suffer and feel the discomfort to a certain degree. Gus could just shoulder the burden of Hugh Freeze's contract beyond 1 yr if Freeze would agree to it I guess. IOW, if Gus gets canned next year then he has to pay Freeze out of his own pocketbook. Is this what Gus agreed to in his reworked contract? The contract neutral or revenue neutral part? I don't know. It kinda sounds to me as though someone doesn't want to pay for the bad mistake of a contract extension, but wants people to know they're getting back at Gus another way on our behalf. As if torturing Gus is somehow going to make Auburn fans less angry about the contract and less angry about keeping Gus on another year or two. If true, then Josh Moon is just a simpleton being used as a conduit to get their story out. And if this is indeed the case, then these folks are absolutely delusional. Auburn fans want a good football team, sure, but we also want the University to treat our coaches, good or bad, with respect and in an honest fashion. If the money people want Gus to go, they need to pay the man. If he's staying because the money folks are too cheap to pay up on their bad gamble, then they need to get the hell out of his way and let the man work. Just a thought. I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwagoner 214 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Win4AU said: Hard to fire a 10 win coach with a CFP or New Years 6 bowl berth winning cures all You’d think so. I think too many people top of ranks down to the the most apathetic of fans have their minds made up and “know” what the future holds with Gus. The next 4 years could go as you described and folks would still find a reason to bash him or want to fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Story has made it to SI: https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/12/05/auburn-boosters-gus-malzahn-hugh-freeze-assistant-contract?utm_campaign=sinow&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 7 2,535 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 hours ago, ToomersStreet said: AUBURN How Auburn boosters are reportedly undermining Gus Malzahn's attempts to hire top assistants Adam Spencer | 1 hour ago SHARE TWEET The Auburn football program is a bit of a mess at the moment. After going 7-5 during the regular season, the Tigers are off to the Music City Bowl — a big disappointment after high preseason expectations. Making matters worse is all the turmoil around coach Gus Malzahn, who many in the fanbase — boosters included — want fired. On Wednesday, Alabama reporter Josh Moon, who mostly covers politics but interacts with some big boosters on his beat, tweeted about some strong new restrictions on Malzahn. As you can see below, Moon is reporting that Auburn isn’t letting Malzahn offer deals to assistants that are longer than one year. Moon says that’s hindering Malzahn from hiring Hugh Freeze as his offensive coordinator: This is the situation at Auburn now: top donors and university officials are so unhappy with the head football coach that they are seeking to undercut him by limiting assistants' contracts to single year deals. This is currently preventing AU from hiring Hugh Freeze as OC. /1 — Josh Moon (@Josh_Moon) December 5, 2018 Freeze is reportedly seeking a multi-year deal from future employers. Sources said Malzahn has asked AU to wave the recent restriction on multi-year contracts in order to hire Freeze. AU response: Nah. /2 — Josh Moon (@Josh_Moon) December 5, 2018 To be clear, I have no source that can say AU is Freeze's top choice. Only that Malzahn, in putting together an offer for Freeze, asked for the waiver. There seems to be better ways to run a football program. /F — Josh Moon (@Josh_Moon) December 5, 2018 If this is indeed the situation, it’s worth wondering why Auburn didn’t just bite the bullet and fire Malzahn after the regular season. This seems to be hindering the program, so we’ll see what develops over the coming weeks Why does anyone care who Gus hires? He has had his choice from the beginning. He has never let them be an OC anyway and he won’t let the next one either. That’s exactly why they should have fired him. All the PTB have done is guaranteed another year of unexplainable losses to inferior teams and resulting in firing the coach most likely before the 2019 season ends. Crazy totally insane leadership ( or really lack of) at AU. The entire board, Leath and Greene should all be fired for their involvement or lack of involvement in the total cluster. It’s shameful as well as childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 7,639 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, homersapien said: "Auburn playing hardball" my ass! We've got the president and a couple of BOT members trying to cut their losses after the game is over. And playing hardball to do it. Saving face is a powerful motivator. 2 min short on “my ass” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburnfan91 1,407 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 hours ago, aujeff11 said: Stupid Auburn is betting against itself now. What Jerks. I'd be betting against us too. Gus, Leath, and Habert have put us in this position. If we don't lose to Miss St and Tennessee then Gus's seat wouldn't be that hot and who knows, maybe we would have gotten Kelly Bryant and Hugh Freeze. But instead of being 9-3 had we won those 2 games, we're 7-5 and Gus has lost almost all support. I'm sure there would have still been grumblings about going 9-3 and losing to LSU, UGA, and Bama but not nearly as bad as what it is now. The Tennessee loss especially is what flared up Gus's seat. There was literally no excuse for that loss. And the Tennessee game just snowballed an already frustrating loss to Miss St. Our season was pretty much over after the Tennessee loss. It's hard to have confidence that Gus can turn it around next season when he's capable of losing to Tennessee at Jordan Hare with an experienced QB and a solid defense. Now next season we have a big question mark at QB and we lose some top contributors on defense. Next year already looks like a re-build coming off a 7-5 season. So that's not something that's going to give everyone hope. The writing is on the wall but Gus, Leath, and Habert decided to just play it out one more year instead of ponying up buying out the whole staff and starting over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,847 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Eagle Eye 7 said: Why does anyone care who Gus hires? He has had his choice from the beginning. He has never let them be an OC anyway and he won’t let the next one either. That’s exactly why they should have fired him. All the PTB have done is guaranteed another year of unexplainable losses to inferior teams and resulting in firing the coach most likely before the 2019 season ends. Crazy totally insane leadership ( or really lack of) at AU. The entire board, Leath and Greene should all be fired for their involvement or lack of involvement in the total cluster. It’s shameful as well as childish. It matters for future coaching prospects . Very petty if you ask me. Just fire him then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsixfive 327 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 What a fiasco. Leath needs to be gone yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said: I'd be betting against us too. Gus, Leath, and Habert have put us in this position They’re just making things worse if they are trying to undercut what Gus is doing now. Maybe they are still trying to force him to walk? Gus deserves a fair shot if he is given another year though. It’s almost like tbe BOT members are like this message board and are afraid Gus can outlast this adversity and do well. I have no problem with tbe rest of your post. Where is Greene in all of this? Does he appreciate a political reporter pushing more negative Auburn optics all the way to the national stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,538 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Just when I think I couldn’t get any madder or more disgusted about this whole thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harp_AU2013 221 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 People need to let him choose his fate. Let him hire who he wants and if he fails, he fails. But handcuffing him and then telling him he failed is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubcali 432 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, homersapien said: As far as Josh Moon goes, I am more interested in how he's getting is information. Very good question. Ask yourself this — was his first article beneficial to the Gus/Harbert camp? Does this article benefit the Gus/Harbert camp? The answer to both questions is affirmative so now you can gather the source is from the Gus/Harbert camp. Smart move because it gives the camp an excuse if/when the 2019 season implodes. They will shrug it off that Gus was hamstrung by the board and fans are already buying into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 7 2,535 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, DAG said: It matters for future coaching prospects . Very petty if you ask me. Just fire him then I agree 100% . Playing stupid games like this will make it harder to find good coaches. It’s real simple we finished tied with Vandy for 10th place InThe SEC. we lost to UT that hadn’t won an SEC game in two years. There was more than enough reasons to fire him. Any other coach would not have flinched about that they would have believed AU was justified in firing a 7 million a year coach for preforming like he did this year. What they will not understand or agree with is retaining him for another year and clipping his wings knowing well that you will fire him next year. Good coaches are going to wonder if we really have any adults calling the shots at AU. If I was a top coach I would have had no problem replacing Gus after his poor preformance this year but I would dang sure have a problem taking a HC job at AU after this cluster chuck episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburnfan91 1,407 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, aujeff11 said: They’re just making things worse if they are trying to undercut what Gus is doing now. Maybe they are still trying to force him to walk? Gus deserves a fair shot if he is given another year though. It’s almost like tbe BOT members are like this message board and are afraid Gus can outlast this adversity and do well. But if they got Freeze to a 3 year deal in the $1.5 million range and we go 7-5 or 8-4 next year and still end up getting rid everybody, then we basically offset the purpose of trying to save about $5-6 million from Gus's buyout by letting Gus come back in 2019. They're likely willing to give Freeze the amount he wants but only for a 1 year deal because anything more than a year will offset the financial purposes of bringing Gus back in 2019. We'd have to win big next season imo to justify Gus making it to 2020. 7-5 or 8-4 aren't going to cut it. And I'm not even sure 9-3 saves him if those three losses are a combination of Bama, UGA, and either LSU, or Texas A&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 7 2,535 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Not picking but I wish folks would quit saying “ saving 6 million” in buyout.We won’t we will pay 6 million less in buyout next year but we will have paid him 7 million in the meantime. 😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,847 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said: But if they got Freeze to a 3 year deal in the $1.5 million range and we go 7-5 or 8-4 next year and still end up getting rid everybody, then we basically offset the purpose of trying to save about $5-6 million from Gus's buyout by letting Gus come back in 2019. They're likely willing to give Freeze the amount he wants but only for a 1 year deal because anything more than a year will offset the financial purposes of bringing Gus back in 2019. We'd have to win big next season imo to justify Gus making it to 2020. 7-5 or 8-4 aren't going to cut it. And I'm not even sure 9-3 saves him if those three losses are a combination of Bama, UGA, and either LSU, or Texas A&M. Then fire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 7 2,535 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Another words everyday we keep Gus we lose $4800 over what it would cost us to fire him. That $200 AU loses every hour that Gus stays employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said: But if they got Freeze to a 3 year deal in the $1.5 million range and we go 7-5 or 8-4 next year and still end up getting rid everybody, then we basically offset the purpose of trying to save about $5-6 million from Gus's buyout by letting Gus come back in 2019. I’m of the opinion that we should support our coaches, and give them all the tools to make them successful no matter the circumstances until status quo changes. We are not looking very coach friendly right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Harp_AU2013 said: People need to let him choose his fate. Let him hire who he wants and if he fails, he fails. But handcuffing him and then telling him he failed is wrong. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye 7 2,535 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, aujeff11 said: I’m of the opinion that we should support our coaches, and give them all the tools to make them successful no matter the circumstances until status quo changes. We are not looking very coach friendly right now. I’m of the opinion when you are paying a coach 7 million a year you have the right to expect good results. This year was not good results. I can assure not many CEOs making that kind of money would survive a year’s performance like this year for Gus. Don’t understand why folks think we should give him any benefit for a crappy tie for 10th place un a 14 team conference when we are paying him too money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Eagle Eye 7 said: I’m of the opinion when you are paying a coach 7 million a year you have the right to expect good results. This year was not good results. I can assure not many CEOs making that kind of money would survive a year’s performance like this year for Gus. Don’t understand why folks think we should give him any benefit for a crappy tie for 10th place un a 14 team conference when we are paying him too money. Then fire him and let him walk with his golden parachute that was in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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