Trump's Hush Money Payment Was Done Illegally, With Campaign Cash

[AUFAN78 3,894]

6 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Does dating a stripper work???? At least I didn't have to pay hush money

Ha! Let's not damage fragility ears. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said:

Agree. Can't be good. 

And for the record, why a Playboy model or a porn star? I don't get it. 

Mmmm, because those were the consensual acts. 💁🏼‍♀️

[augolf1716 21,109]

22 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

Ha! Let's not damage fragility ears. 

OK last post on this......speaking of fragility ears. Her best song for making the big money.....on a side note the song is about Jane Fonda

 

[DKW 86 7,419]

Folks, Bill Clinton has done just as bad, and on second thought he was impeached and while he survived, he lost his law license, paid some fines, etc.

Chappaquiddick? Ted got off with absolute zero consequences. Dead girl...nothing happens. NOTHING.

I am having a definitional problem here. When you f a stripper, pornstar, wannabe never-was actress, etc AND you pay them hush money...Does that not become prostitution at some point?

Hey DONALD...you just paid $130K for one night of sex, you need to refund every copy you ever sold of Art of the Deal.  You obviously got ripped off, and you have to be the worst deal maker ever walked the planet. Now that the vagina of an old worn out stripper has cost you $130K and now may cost you the Presidency...you obviously cannot teach anyone about deal making. Mister, YOU SUCK AT DEAL MAKING. You may be the ALL-TIME-LOSER at deal-making for losing the most powerful position in the world over an old worn out stripper.

[homersapien 11,366]

15 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Stop the damn press. The gym? HFS. Proud of you man. 

Please try to get me out of your head. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

8 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Folks, Bill Clinton has done just as bad, and on second thought he was impeached and while he survived, he lost his law license, paid some fines, etc.

ick? Ted got off with absolute zero consequences. Dead girl...nothing happens. NOTHING.

I am having a definitional problem here. When you f a stripper, pornstar, wannabe never-was actress, etc AND you pay them hush money...Does that not become prostitution at some point?

Hey DONALD...you just paid $130K for one night of sex, you need to refund every copy you ever sold of Art of the Deal.  You obviously got ripped off, and you have to be the worst deal maker ever walked the planet. Now that the vagina of an old worn out stripper has cost you $130K and now may cost you the Presidency...you obviously cannot teach anyone about deal making. Mister, YOU SUCK AT DEAL MAKING. You may be the ALL-TIME-LOSER at deal-making for losing the most powerful position in the world over an old worn out stripper.

Your misogyny is showing. 🙄

[DKW 86 7,419]

54 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Your misogyny is showing. 🙄

Elle, if you took my lil attempt of humor at Trump's expense. I apologize. I just find it funny that of all the things Trump has gotten away within his life, a stripper is what may take him down.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

3 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Elle, if you took my lil attempt of humor at Trump's expense. I apologize. I just find it funny that of all the things Trump has gotten away within his life, a stripper is what may take him down.

There was only one way to take “old worn out stripper.” He is a bad deal maker but she is old and worn out? You May want to google images of them and reevaluate who is old and worn out. You can shortcut to images of Trump by googling “idiot.”

That said, there is a hilarious irony in the potential of a woman taking him down. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

2 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

There was only one way to take “old worn out stripper.” He is a bad deal maker but she is old and worn out? You May want to google images of them and reevaluate who is old and worn out. You can shortcut to images of Trump by googling “idiot.”

That said, there is a hilarious irony in the potential of a woman taking him down. 

Well I am playing on Trump's "I love beautiful women so much.." schtick. Stormy Daniels is exactly as advertised. She is a stripper. I lil long in the tooth these days. Trump's idea of beauty must include an IQ that can be counted with $$$. He is and always will be a sad lil OLD man. If it werent for his $$$, no one would know his name. 

He is a carny barker, and always been a carny barker.

[homersapien 11,366]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/trump-michael-cohen-campaign-finance-illegal.html

It’s Only Breaking the Law If You Say the Words “Let’s Break the Law” Out Loud, President Suggests

Some major-league legal analysis by the man who is constitutionally tasked with executing the nation’s laws:

I never directed Michael Cohen to break the law. He was a lawyer and he is supposed to know the law. It is called “advice of counsel,” and a lawyer has great liability if a mistake is made. That is why they get paid. Despite that many campaign finance lawyers have strongly......

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

....stated that I did nothing wrong with respect to campaign finance laws, if they even apply, because this was not campaign finance. Cohen was guilty on many charges unrelated to me, but he plead to two campaign charges which were not criminal and of which he probably was not...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

.....guilty even on a civil basis. Those charges were just agreed to by him in order to embarrass the president and get a much reduced prison sentence, which he did-including the fact that his family was temporarily let off the hook. As a lawyer, Michael has great liability to me!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

The context here is that Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on Wednesday after pleading guilty to, among other things, criminally circumventing campaign-spending disclosure laws by arranging secret 2016 hush-money payments to two women who say they had extramarital affairs with Trump. Hours later, prosecutors announced that the tabloid publishing company AMI had also admitted to involvement in the circumvention scheme. (AMI made a payment to one of the women directly, attempting to disguise it as a contributors’ contract, and brokered the other.)

Now, there is actually some subtlety to the issue of whether Trump himself committed a crime, which would require having “knowingly and willfully” concealed a campaign expense. For one, there’s the potential argument that he arranged the payments not because of the campaign but to keep his family from finding out about the alleged affairs. That argument is undercut by what prosecutors describe as a 2015 meeting involving Trump and AMI chairman David Pecker in which Pecker offered to support Trump’s campaign by suppressing negative stories about Trump’s past relationships. Trump’s current lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, also said on TV in March that the payments were made to keep allegations of affairs from coming out before the election, and Cohen has affirmed that version of events in court.

As to the knowing/willful issue, the Department of Justice’s guidelines on the subject suggest that “the use of surreptitious means [to make payments] such as cash, conduits, or false documentation” is evidence of willful concealment; Trump didn’t make either payment directly, and reimbursed Cohen for the second one via a convoluted process involving the pretense that he was being issued a retainer. Another DOJ guideline says that evidence that an individual is “active in political fundraising and is personally well-versed in the federal campaign financing laws” can be used as proof of knowing and willing law-breaking; Trump was obviously active in fundraising when he was running for president.

There also doesn’t appear to be evidence that Trump sought Cohen’s “advice of counsel” about how to make the payments legally, and you can’t get off the hook for a crime because your lawyer was involved when you both knew what you did was illegal.

Anyway, though, my primary purpose here is just to chuckle about the phrase “I never directed Michael Cohen to break the law,” as if knocking on wood and shouting NO LAW-BREAKO while you’re doing something extremely illegal means you can’t get in trouble for it. Ha ha, what a quirky criminal president!

 

[DKW 86 7,419]

Trump: “Let’s Break the Law”

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

3 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Well I am playing on Trump's "I love beautiful women so much.." schtick. Stormy Daniels is exactly as advertised. She is a stripper. I lil long in the tooth these days. Trump's idea of beauty must include an IQ that can be counted with $$$. He is and always will be a sad lil OLD man. If it werent for his $$$, no one would know his name. 

He is a carny barker, and always been a carny barker.

I think both of the women whom he paid off were beautiful as well as his wife. He has an attraction to fame, so a porn star, a playboy model and a nude model (Melania) are right up his alley. 

The women are just a notch in the belt of his demise. He has never been held accountable in his life for criminal activity so it wasn’t wise to compare the IC to Nazi’s right out of  the gate. He is toast. They have so much s*** on him he will die in jail. 

[homersapien 11,366]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

I think both of the women whom he paid off were beautiful as well as his wife. He has an attraction to fame, so a porn star, a playboy model and a nude model (Melania) are right up his alley. 

The women are just a notch in the belt of his demise. He has never been held accountable in his life for criminal activity so it wasn’t wise to compare the IC to Nazi’s right out of  the gate. He is toast. They have so much s*** on him he will die in jail. 

While I like that idea, he won't spend a day in jail.  Pence would pardon him 10 minutes after he resigns. Hell, he may not even get indicted if the Justice Department follows custom.

The only justice we are likely to see is his resignation followed by years of ongoing revelations. (Historians are funny that way.)  Some of his supporters will still support him though - der Fuhrer is the law.

We can only hope his departure represents the end of an era and not the beginning of one.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

While I like that idea, he won't spend a day in jail.  Pence would pardon him 10 minutes after he resigns. Hell, he may not even get indicted if the Justice Department follows custom.

If the Dems win the 2020 election and Trump goes back to being a private citizen, I could 100% see a prosecution of some kind coming his way.  He would have zero air cover at that point for an immediate pardon.

[AUFAN78 3,894]

9 hours ago, homersapien said:

Please try to get me out of your head. 

LOL. Wit not a strong suit of yours. IIWII

[homersapien 11,366]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

If the Dems win the 2020 election and Trump goes back to being a private citizen, I could 100% see a prosecution of some kind coming his way.  He would have zero air cover at that point for an immediate pardon.

Not me.  Unless it's for treason.

[homersapien 11,366]

49 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

LOL. Wit not a strong suit of yours. IIWII

Says the guy who thinks me going to the gym merits a wisecrack.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

While I like that idea, he won't spend a day in jail.  Pence would pardon him 10 minutes after he resigns. Hell, he may not even get indicted if the Justice Department follows custom.

The only justice we are likely to see is his resignation followed by years of ongoing revelations. (Historians are funny that way.)  Some of his supporters will still support him though - der Fuhrer is the law.

We can only hope his departure represents the end of an era and not the beginning of one.

Now don’t forget, Pence was on the transition team. He knew about Flynn. And Flynn is singing like a bird. Pence and Jr will be the next arrests. Mueller still has dozens of unsealed indictments. 

I’m not sure how it will play out. I think Dems will let him serve out his term, beat him in the next election, if the GOP even runs him ( they are considering not running him). Then he is indicted as a citizen. Russia will dump their kompromat on him and Trump will be history.  

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

17 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Now don’t forget, Pence was on the transition team. He knew about Flynn. And Flynn is singing like a bird. Pence and Jr will be the next arrests. Mueller still has dozens of unsealed indictments. 

I’m not sure how it will play out. I think Dems will let him serve out his term, beat him in the next election, if the GOP even runs him ( they are considering not running him). Then he is indicted as a citizen. Russia will dump their kompromat on him and Trump will be history.  

Wow your dreams are becoming amazing.

[SaltyTiger 7,790]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Pence would pardon him 10 minutes after he resigns

 

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

 

If the Dems win the 2020 election and Trump goes back to being a private citizen

 

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

beat him in the next election

You guys are nuts. Trump will be your president until 2024. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

9 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

 

 

You guys are nuts. Trump will be your president until 2024. 

The delusion is strong in the Trump cult. Turn off Rush,  Salty. 

[homersapien 11,366]

12 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Now don’t forget, Pence was on the transition team. He knew about Flynn. And Flynn is singing like a bird. Pence and Jr will be the next arrests. Mueller still has dozens of unsealed indictments. 

I’m not sure how it will play out. I think Dems will let him serve out his term, beat him in the next election, if the GOP even runs him ( they are considering not running him). Then he is indicted as a citizen. Russia will dump their kompromat on him and Trump will be history.  

That works for me.

We are on the brink of having our political system collapse. I think a true accounting is important for the country's future.

[homersapien 11,366]

Salty and PT

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

40 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That works for me.

We are on the brink of having our political system collapse. I think a true accounting is important for the country's future.

An intersting question is why the GOP didn’t hold him accountable. Did you notice the about face from Republicans like Graham and others? Remember the trip to Russia on the 4th of July? Uh, Russia hacked them too. If I had to guess I’d say Graham likes boys. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

6 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

An intersting question is why the GOP didn’t hold him accountable. Did you notice the about face from Republicans like Graham and others? Remember the trip to Russia on the 4th of July? Uh, Russia hacked them too. If I had to guess I’d say Graham likes boys. 

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Long been rumored in Washington. Many refer to Lindsay Graham off camera as Pansy Graham. Honest to God nickname Inside the Beltway.