If you still haven’t figured out Trump’s a crook

[TexasTiger 12,828]

You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum. Stick to sports. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

Mic drop

[SaltyTiger 7,776]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum. Stick to sports. 

He did not hold public office as a life career while learning to be a crook. Beats the other choice we had on election night 2016 Brother Tex.

[TexasTiger 12,828]

3 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

He did not hold public office as a life career while learning to be a crook. Beats the other choice we had on election night 2016 Brother Tex.

Deal with the now.

[SaltyTiger 7,776]

1 minute ago, TexasTiger said:

Deal with the now.

I do. Get up every morning and thank the lord that Hillary is not president.

[DKW 86 7,419]

10 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

If you still haven’t figured out Trump’s a crook You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum. Stick to sports. 

 

Folks, do not mean to have I told you so moment here BUT...Trump has been a f'in crook for 30+ years. He did not turn bad in 2016. The rest of the problem is that he is probably no worse than most of the leaders on Wall Street, or most of the leaders in Washington DC. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS FACT: You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum.

[TexasTiger 12,828]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

Folks, do not mean to have I told you so moment here BUT...Trump has been a f'in crook for 30+ years. He did not turn bad in 2016. The rest of the problem is that he is probably no worse than most of Wall Street, or most of Washington DC. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS FACT: You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum.

One of your most ridiculous post. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 minute ago, TexasTiger said:

One of your most ridiculous post. 

And evidence that: You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum.

[TexasTiger 12,828]

25 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

And evidence that: You’re really too misinformed to be chatting on a political forum.

You’re to misinformed to chat. 

[HVAU 673]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

 The rest of the problem is that he is probably no worse than most of Wall Street, or most of Washington DC. 

That's a pretty bold statement.  Can you provide some evidence that the majority of workers in both DC and Wall Street are as crooked as Trump?  

I'm sure there is evidence of ethical violations and illegalities, but to say most of the people active in those areas are as corrupt as Trump is hyperbolic and most probably inaccurate.  

[DKW 86 7,419]

Trump has been a crook from day one. Hustling the bankruptcy laws and consumer protection laws to make his $$$. He didnt just go bad in 2016.

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Wall Street has been ripping us off for decades: The 5 Biggest Wall Street Scams of All Time

. Sam Israel — Bayou Hedge Fund Group
Total Scammed: $450 Million

2. Joseph Nacchio — Qwest Communications International
Total Scammed: $3 Billion

3. Bernard Ebbers — WorldCom
Total Scammed: $100 Billion

4. Kenneth Lay and Jeffery Skilling — Enron
Total Scammed: $74 Billion

5. Bernard Madoff — Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC
Total Scammed: $18 Billion

 

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WHY ONLY ONE TOP BANKER WENT TO KAIL FOR THE FINANCIAL CRISIS

But the crackdown never happened. Over the past year, I’ve interviewed Wall Street traders, bank executives, defense lawyers and dozens of current and former prosecutors to understand why the largest man-made economic catastrophe since the Depression resulted in the jailing of a single investment banker — one who happened to be several rungs from the corporate suite at a second-tier financial institution. Many assume that the federal authorities simply lacked the guts to go after powerful Wall Street bankers, but that obscures a far more complicated dynamic. During the past decade, the Justice Department suffered a series of corporate prosecutorial fiascos, which led to critical changes in how it approached white-collar crime. The department began to focus on reaching settlements rather than seeking prison sentences, which over time unintentionally deprived its ranks of the experience needed to win trials against the most formidable law firms. By the time Serageldin committed his crime, Justice Department leadership, as well as prosecutors in integral United States attorney’s offices, were de-emphasizing complicated financial cases — even neglecting clues that suggested that Lehman executives knew more than they were letting on about their bank’s liquidity problem. In the mid-’90s, white-collar prosecutions represented an average of 17.6 percent of all federal cases. In the three years ending in 2012, the share was 9.4 percent.

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Soon after, the counteroffensive to the Justice Department’s overreach peaked, led by the white-collar bar and corporate lobbies and aided by The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and even the American Civil Liberties Union. Senator Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, contended that the department was abusing corporations; his colleague Arlen Specter, then a Republican from Pennsylvania, readied a bill to prevent the Justice Department from receiving attorney-client privilege waivers. To cut that off, Paul McNulty, the deputy attorney general, released a revised set of rules stating, among other things, that no federal prosecutor could ask a company to waive attorney-client privilege without permission from higher-ups.

Over the years, the KPMG debacle and the corporate revolt would lead the Justice Department to roll back the Thompson memo to nearly the point of reversal. Today prosecutors are prohibited from even asking companies to waive their attorney-client privilege. They are also prohibited from pushing a company to cut off the legal fees for indicted executives or pressuring it to forgo joint defense agreements. “It was very much a game-changer in the business of investigating and defending in those cases,” says Michael Bromwich, a top white-collar lawyer and former inspector general of the Department of Justice.

In the decade since, the courts dulled other prosecutorial tools. A Supreme Court ruling allowed sentences to be set below previously determined mandatory minimums (which made executives less likely to “flip”). Another narrowed an often-used legal theory that said employees were guilty of fraud if they deprived their companies of “honest services” (which helped nab Enron’s former C.E.O., Jeffrey Skilling, among others). No change was momentous on its own — and some may have legitimately restored the rights of defendants — but taken together they marked a significant, if almost unnoted, shift toward the defense. After Lanny Breuer entered the Department of Justice, he testified in front of Congress to restore the honest-services charge for corrupt government officials. But he didn’t even try to broach the topic of a private-sector fix.

 

 

[DKW 86 7,419]

15 minutes ago, HVAU said:

That's a pretty bold statement.  Can you provide some evidence that the majority of workers in both DC and Wall Street are as crooked as Trump?  

I'm sure there is evidence of ethical violations and illegalities, but to say most of the people active in those areas are as corrupt as Trump is hyperbolic and most probably inaccurate.  

Okay, I will defer and correct to "most of the leadership."
Immelt at GE basically destroyed GE and made himself independently wealthy. He has a rumored $81M/year retirement.
When he came in, GE was at the Top of the DJIA. Now, it isnt even on the Dow.

GE went from a pension fund that was $15BN OVER Funded to now a total of $61Bn in the hole. 
No one is being prosecuted. The pensioners are devastated. Corporate Laws on pensions were violated left and right, no one cares because they cashed the checks from the perps.

[DKW 86 7,419]

30 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

You’re to misinformed to chat. 

BTW, it is TOO misinformed...

[HVAU 673]

32 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Okay, I will defer and correct to "most of the leadership."
Immelt at GE basically destroyed GE and made himself independently wealthy. He has a rumored $81M/year retirement.
When he came in, GE was at the Top of the DJIA. Now, it isnt even on the Dow.

GE went from a pension fund that was $15BN OVER Funded to now a total of $61Bn in the hole. 
No one is being prosecuted. The pensioners are devastated. Corporate Laws on pensions were violated left and right, no one cares because they cashed the checks from the perps.

We are on the same page in instances such as this.  The highest levels of white collar crimes go unpunished, and it should be unacceptable in a democracy.  Elements of either party that are too cozy with corporations to investigate and prosecute wrongdoers should be purged.

I also agree that there are both Democrat and Republican bad actors.  One party is under the microscope right now, because that party is in power and corruption after corruption has been revealed (Trump, Moscow, NRA, Butina, Pruitt, Price, Zeinke, Collins, Farenthold, Meehan, etc.).  

The corruption from the Democrat side should be dealt with as well.  However, it is of less relevance at this particular instance, and to constantly make the equivalences that you and so many "both siders" do impedes the process of dealing with more immediate dangers to the political health of the nation. 

It is tantamount to going to the hospital in cardiac arrest and demanding that the doctors treating you pay equal attention to a sprained ankle you suffered last week.  The former ailment is a problem that should be taken care of, but you've been coping.  The latter problem, though, could potentially kill you.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

12 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

He did not hold public office as a life career while learning to be a crook. Beats the other choice we had on election night 2016 Brother Tex.

So you elected a crook because you THOUGHT the other candidate was a crook. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

9 hours ago, HVAU said:

We are on the same page in instances such as this.  The highest levels of white collar crimes go unpunished, and it should be unacceptable in a democracy.  Elements of either party that are too cozy with corporations to investigate and prosecute wrongdoers should be purged.

I also agree that there are both Democrat and Republican bad actors.  One party is under the microscope right now, because that party is in power and corruption after corruption has been revealed (Trump, Moscow, NRA, Butina, Pruitt, Price, Zeinke, Collins, Farenthold, Meehan, etc.).  

The corruption from the Democrat side should be dealt with as well.  However, it is of less relevance at this particular instance, and to constantly make the equivalences that you and so many "both siders" do impedes the process of dealing with more immediate dangers to the political health of the nation. 

It is tantamount to going to the hospital in cardiac arrest and demanding that the doctors treating you pay equal attention to a sprained ankle you suffered last week.  The former ailment is a problem that should be taken care of, but you've been coping.  The latter problem, though, could potentially kill you.

And you sound like someone that is okay with being crooked as long as the "crooks are your crooks"...

[AUFAN78 3,894]

7 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

So you elected a crook because you THOUGHT the other candidate was a crook. 

Didn't take a lot of thought to realize we had two crooks. A write in candidate was a simple/ethical choice.

[AUFAN78 3,894]

44 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

And you sound like someone that is okay with being crooked as long as the "crooks are your crooks"...

Unfortunately, it was the majority opinion of the day.

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Trump Foundation agrees to dissolve under court supervision

And the beat down over finances gathers speed...

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Fox News Legal Analyst Warns Trump Of ‘Doomsday’ Scenario In Mueller Probe

When even Fox's Napolitano is telling you that Trump could be gone and soon...some of the Trump supporters better start waking up. 

[HVAU 673]

54 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

And you sound like someone that is okay with being crooked as long as the "crooks are your crooks"...

I'm not.  I believe in prioritizing the corruption with which your dealing by most imminent threat.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

17 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Didn't take a lot of thought to realize we had two crooks. A write in candidate was a simple/ethical choice.

We had one crook. He is in the WH. The other candidate was a victim of a propaganda courtesy of Fox News and the GOP. 

[SaltyTiger 7,776]

45 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

We had one crook. He is in the WH. The other candidate was a victim of a propaganda courtesy of Fox News and the GOP. 

well, we are better off with the "crook" rather than the poor 'victim".

[homersapien 11,357]

16 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

well, we are better off with the "crook" rather than the poor 'victim".

This using Hillary as an excuse for supporting Trump is becoming progressively more pathetic.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

26 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

well, we are better off with the "crook" rather than the poor 'victim".

Oh yes.  Making trade enemies around the world is making us wayyy better off.  Ask farmers and ranchers how that's going for them.