The Beginning of the End?

homersapien · January 10, 2019

Tell me this woman is not a drunk.

DKW 86 · January 11, 2019

9 hours ago, homersapien said:

Tell me this woman is not a drunk.

She's not a drunk.

johnnyAU · January 11, 2019

She's an old woman trying feverishly and fruitlessly to connect with a younger voting base.

I bet she isn't even ....1/1024 drunk.

homersapien · January 11, 2019

8 hours ago, johnnyAU said:

She's an old woman trying feverishly and fruitlessly to connect with a younger voting base.

I bet she isn't even ....1/1024 drunk.

I wouldn't assume her positions are primarily oriented toward the young. And Sanders certainly didn't seem to have a problem with the young.

Regardless of your emotional reaction to Warren, the time for her message has come.

(That's a good crack though about the Native American blood though. )

homersapien · January 11, 2019

11 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

She's not a drunk.

Then we agree. Warren's not a drunk and Pelosi doesn't have dementia.

DKW 86 · January 11, 2019

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Then we agree. Warren's not a drunk and Pelosi does have dementia.

FTFY...

homersapien · January 11, 2019

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

FTFY...

Well, I guess that makes Warren a drunk. (Or maybe she also has dementia. Once there's enough video to compile, I am sure a similar case could be made.)

You really have a thing with doubling down on idiotic positions. :no:

alexava · January 12, 2019

I just can’t imagine any democratic that would excite me right now. And I hate nearly all republicans.

bigbird · January 12, 2019

I'd love to see a spilt ticket with two moderates with a track record of being able to compromise both directions.

Cut out the extremes from both parties

johnnyAU · January 12, 2019

1 minute ago, bigbird said:

I'd love to see a spilt ticket with two moderates with a track record of being able to compromise both directions.

Cut out the extremes from both parties

Yeah. Though we have become such a massively polarized society politically it is difficult to believe that has any realistic shot of occurring unfortunately.

bigbird · January 12, 2019

8 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

Yeah. Though we have become such a massively polarized society politically it is difficult to believe that has any realistic shot of occurring unfortunately.

The majority of the country isn't polarized and they want or support compromise. Nonpolar candidates running together on a platform of compromise based on similarities rather than differences would do well...IMO.

Proud Tiger · January 12, 2019

1 hour ago, bigbird said:

The majority of the country isn't polarized.

I sure wish that was true but it seems to me that it isn't. Even the small sample of posters in this forum appears to show we are polarized.

bigbird · January 12, 2019

18 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

I sure wish that was true but it seems to me that it isn't. Even the small sample of posters in this forum appears to show we are polarized.

You really think this is a true sample?

johnnyAU · January 12, 2019

I see predominantly political polarization actually. It's been happening since well before Trump. It's just being exacerbated now.

There are groups that seem to be moving toward the center, away from the extremism on both sides and that looks promising. I am hopeful this movement gains momentum as more and more logical folks tire of the constant craziness and find themselves seeking a common ground and rational discussion/forward progress.

homersapien · January 12, 2019

I think this concern about polarization is sort of misplaced. The immediate problem is elsewhere.

Trump Has Entered The Lying Stratosphere, Says Pulitzer Prize-Winning Columnist

“No one believes a word out of his mouth,” Thomas Friedman said of the president.

Three-time Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman didn’t hold back on his scathing criticism of Donald Trump on Friday, calling him a “disturbed” president who lies so often that “no one trusts this man.”

“If we face a crisis with a president who no one believes who’s surrounded by a C-team in a dysfunctional White House, then God save us,” Friedman told Wolf Blitzer on CNN.

Trump has told “one too many lies,” Friedman said. “I don’t know whether it’s lie number 6,000 or 7,000 — The Washington Post has been keeping tab — but ... we’re in a moment now where people simply don’t believe a word out of his mouth. When he can stand up and say, ‘I never said Mexico would pay for the wall,’ we’re through the looking glass.”

The “core” problem is that “we have a president without shame who is backed by a party without spine that is supported by a network called Fox News without integrity,” Friedman said. “Fasten your seatbelt.”

Friedman called Trump a president with “formal authority but no moral authority.” The most frightening thing, Friedman noted, is that the Republican Party will do nothing to stand up to him.

”We have a disturbed man as president – that’s very clear,” Friedman said. “We have a party that is not ready to stand up to it. What worries me is now we’re threatening our institutions.”

The “biggest crisis right now is in the Oval Office,” Friedman said.

Proud Tiger · January 13, 2019

On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 12:02 PM, bigbird said:

You really think this is a true sample?

It appears to me it is but I wouldn't argue that it is. It is sure divided.

Proud Tiger · January 13, 2019

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 6:38 AM, johnnyAU said:

She's an old woman trying feverishly and fruitlessly to connect with a younger voting base.

I bet she isn't even ....1/1024 drunk.

You are right in her objective.

homersapien · January 13, 2019

On 1/12/2019 at 10:44 AM, bigbird said:

I'd love to see a spilt ticket with two moderates with a track record of being able to compromise both directions.

Cut out the extremes from both parties

The problem with that scenario is you wind up with essentially the Democratic party of of the Clinton(s). In other words, a party that is still dedicated to corporate money, free trade, globalization and the wealthy rather than the "working" class. That's how we got to where we are.

What we need is a new party - or possibly a reformed Democratic party - that returns to serving the constituency of the poor, middle class and working class.

That may sound "extreme" in principle, but the numbers don't lie. We are heading for a major upheaval that will be fueled by wealth distribution.

(Incidentally, that's why AOC's suggesting of a 70% tax rate is not as outlandish as it may sound.)

homersapien · January 13, 2019

2 hours ago, Proud Tiger said:

You are right in her objective. But there is something you can't see in this close up of her. She is in her kitchen and the bigger picture is interesting. On top of the cabinets behind her are several figurines, one being a young black chomping into a slice of watermelon. If she was a conservative the media would be all over it screaming racist and Sharpton and Jackson would be on CNN in a heartbeat.

Well, that's probably true - if you could see it. $:-\$

DKW 86 · January 13, 2019

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

The problem with that scenario is you wind up with essentially the Democratic party of of the Clinton(s). In other words, a party that is dedicated to corporate money, free trade, globalization and the wealthy rather than the "working" class. That's how we got to where we are.

What we need is a new party - or possibly a reformed Democratic party - that returns to serving the constituency of the poor, middle class and working class.

That may sound "extreme" in principle, but the numbers don't lie. We are heading for a major upheaval that will be fueled by wealth distribution.

(Incidentally, that's why AOC's suggesting of a 70% tax rate is not as outlandish as it may sound.)

I am so proud of you... :campfire:

HVAU · January 14, 2019

7 hours ago, homersapien said:

Well, that's probably true - if you could see it. $:-\$

Just curious if PT was shown the video of Warren, that the pieces on top of her cabinetry were actually not watermelon eating figurines, but ceramic kettles. I see the edited the original post, but I don't see a correction.

homersapien · January 14, 2019

On 1/13/2019 at 6:51 PM, DKW 86 said:

I am so proud of you...

Yet, you call me a liar because I deny saying something I never said.

**** you. :moon:

homersapien · January 15, 2019

Trump’s Crumbling Wall — Of GOP Political Support

The increasing Republican skittishness about Trump’s wall and the continuing government shutdown offers an instructive preview of how Donald Trump’s presidency is likely to end: when key Republican senators decide that Trump is more trouble than he’s worth.

What’s new about this crisis is the increasing number of Republican defections. Politically, Trump’s obsession has backfired. His demand for the wall and his holding the rest of the government hostage become more unpopular by the day.

The most recent polls show that the public blames Trump more than the Democrats for the shutdown by margins approaching 2–to–1. There are at least seven Republicans in tight re-election races in 2020, and they aren’t happy.

They include Cory Gardner of Colorado, Susan Collins of Maine, Thom Tillis of North Carolina and Rob Portman of Ohio. Senators Pat Roberts of Kansas, who is retiring, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska have also expressed exasperation in comments to the press. One can only imagine what they say in private.