Updated: Roe v. Wade overturned

[Didba 5,256]

Just now, I_M4_AU said:

Trump is a flawed individual, but even flawed individuals make Godly decisions every once in a while.  I don’t think God bestowed Trump on us, that’s a narrative you like to push.

You literally thanked god for Trump, it's a narrative you pushed two pages ago. I can't even make this up, you are contradicting yourself.

[Didba 5,256]

24 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I’m just trying get where your head is at. 

 

No you aren't, you are making disingenuous arguments in bad faith.  Trust me, I am making sense to many in this thread.

[Didba 5,256]

18 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

I think that's a very cherry picked way to look at the data. About half of Christians are willing to admit in a poll that the bible influences their thinking over reason, logic, science, and philosophy, which is higher than what I'd think. 

When you combine that with the very clear fact that the more religious a person is the more likely they are to oppose abortion, I think indicates a very very strong correlation between religion and opposition to abortion. 

You can argue that that's just a massive coincidence and that their religion really doesn't have much to do with it...but I'll disagree with you on that.  Yes, there are unreligious anti-abortion people, but they are in the small minority. 

 

 

Voting  doesn't matter in this instance. 

 

The supreme court is a lifetime appointment of 9 unelected Judges. 

 

The "settled law" of row v wade has been overturned by a majority portion of the court that was nominated and placed by one overwhelmingly unpopular Republican president who lost the popular vote in his "election"

 

This supreme court and it's opinions are not Democratic, it's not a representation of the United states, it's not a representation of the opinions and wishes of a majority of the people or the constitutionality of anything. 

It's a Representation of the Religious, The Federalist Society, and the Republican Party...that's all this decision and this Court represent. 

 

 

Couldn't explain it better myself.

[Didba 5,256]

11 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

In the United States less than 1% of Reported rapes ever lead to conviction or punishment for the rapist. 

For any given woman who is raped, there is a very, very low likelihood that the justice system will ever punish her rapist no matter what she does. 

Safe and reliable access to abortion for the pregnancy for the rape is the very least our society can offer. 

 

That you don't care if that is made harder, more difficult, more expensive for rape victims says something. 

I love when guys like this dude make their hypocrisy so obvious and they are so unaware of how bad what they are saying sounds. Like he is preaching pro-life because of his beliefs but then turns around and blames the victim for being raped and says go travel across three states to get an abortion of the child you are bearing because of rape.  Jesus would abhor this person.

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

12 minutes ago, Didba said:

It wasn't about race, but that isn't surprising that you thought it was.  I'll explain why, even though you will just ignore it.

you said: "If you think the decision was incorrect it can be overruled by Congress by legislation.  This how it is supposed to work, not having the SCOTUS make legislative rulings." 

If you knew the history behind Brown v Board, you'd get it. So in the 50s, Congress couldn't get a civil rights act passed because of the obstructionist southern states who wanted to keep segregation laws on the books.  So the ACLU sued all the way up to SCOTUS and SCOTUS had to basically make a legislative ruling saying segregation is unconstitutional and then told the states if they don't comply with this ruling a whole bunch of bad times is gonna happen so you better desegregate your schools. 

That was in 1954. After that the executive branch utilized the national guard to enforce segregation and 10 years later when support was trending downward in the southern states for segregation, congress was finally able to pass CRA of 1964. 

As such, my response to your "not having the SCOTUS make legislative rulings" was not based on race but simply based on SCOTUS making legislative rulings is necessary at times for the furthering of social rights.  Had SCOTUS not mad a legislative ruling in Brown who knows how long it would have taken to end segregation.

Nice try though, you really thought you got me with the "libs like to bring race into every conversation" to bad you were too blinded by ignorance to see the actual point of my comment.

Nice set up, be more transparent next time.

[homersapien 11,366]

4 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

That said, I also pray that those who consider themselves pro-life will reevaluate what that term means, or what it should mean.  I don't think that opposing abortion in and of itself is enough to label one "pro-life."  "Anti-abortion" would be more accurate.  And that's good as far as it goes, but it falls far short of being pro-life.  I think pro-life needs to be an outlook that seeks to bring about conditions in society that are helpful, encouraging, conducive, and create an environment where children are cared for, families can thrive, where our laws and workplace policies are pro-family.  We should be making it easier for young couples to have children and raise and take care of them, not harder.  It should be more affordable, not less.  We should eliminate structures, policies, and laws that force women to choose between finishing college or having a baby, or between a career that can provide for them and their family or having a baby.......

 

That's all very good and - as you should know - I respect your religious faith and idealism.  But if you think that's going happen in this country with the way power is proportioned to a conservative minority, you are very naive. 

They'd brand that as "Socialism!" and you know it.

In fact, the only reason Republican politicians support anything is if it promotes their ability to retain and build power, which is the source of their wealth.  Correspondingly, Republicans have played a large segment of Christians using the issue of abortion (which is inherently unconstitutional) only for the votes.

They don't give a s*** about the lives of babies - much less their poor mothers. Otherwise, they would already be promoting such ideas as you propose.

To them, abortion is merely a hot-button religious issue that guarantees them a large voting base.  Now they'll move on to something else, like more guns and lower taxes.  (And we won't accomplish the things you propose with lower taxes.)

Edited June 24, 2022 by homersapien

[Didba 5,256]

11 minutes ago, cbo said:

Maybe he assumed we were all on the same page when it comes to rape. Maybe he focused on abortion since that is kind of the topic of discussion today. 

Of course you refuse to answer my very simple question. I asked for your belief, which does not depend on state laws. 

But I'm sure it will be great comfort to the next pregnant rape victim that they can always petition the state legislator!

Like I said, deranged. 

or as he suggested the rape victim can travel across multiple state lines to get an abortion, NBD! No burden at all for a woman who has just undergone the most traumatic experience women can endure.

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

8 minutes ago, Didba said:

You literally thanked god for Trump, it's a narrative you pushed two pages ago. I can't even make this up, you are contradicting yourself.

I thanked God for Trump appointing the three justices he appointed.  Sorry you missed the point.

[Didba 5,256]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Nice set up, be more transparent next time.

I didn't think I had to connect all the dots for you, I will next time though so you can keep up.  Most of the time I don't have to explain basic US history to someone because they miss my point entirely.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

53 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I know you libs like to bring race into every conversation. I’ll ignore it every time.

That is actually where this began.  Christian segregation schools were the issue.  When that failed to concentrate support, abortion became the new issue used to herd Christians into a voting bloc.

[Didba 5,256]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

I thanked God for Trump appointing the three justices he appointed.  Sorry you missed the point.

Nice set up, be more transparent next time.

[Didba 5,256]

Just now, icanthearyou said:

That is actually where this began.  Christian segregation schools were the issue.  When that failed to concentrate support, abortion became the new issue used to herd Christians into a voting bloc.

I wasn't even bringing race into it though, he did it with his own ignorance of US history.

[Didba 5,256]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

They don't give a s*** about the lives of babies - much less their poor mothers. 

Otherwise, they would already be promoting such ideas as you propose.

To them, abortion is merely a hot-button religious issue that guarantees them a large voting base.

Oh yeah they really care about fetuses up until the point it comes out of the womb after that, tough luck kid.  Could you imagine what it must be like for a child up rape to know they only exist because their mother was raped by a POS.

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

14 minutes ago, Didba said:

This is disgusting.

So how would you teach your daughter?  Are you a parent?

[Didba 5,256]

One day in 30-40 years we will probably get this fundamental right back after all the ilk of this kind have grown old and passed away, only then will society be back to modern times.  Its funny that all the pro-lifers and trumpers will go down on the wrong side of history books, spoken in the same breath as confederates, pro-segregationists, and pro-russians.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

3 minutes ago, Didba said:

I wasn't even bringing race into it though, he did it with his own ignorance of US history.

Not his fault.  We do not teach real history.  We only teach the patriot, varnished, feel good version.

[homersapien 11,366]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/views-about-abortion/

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/views-about-abortion/

 

About 11% of Atheists are against Abortion. yes, they exist, but they aren't statistically relevant when we're talking about nationwide attempts to make abortion illegal.

 

The Anti-Abortion movement in America is overwhelmingly a religious movement led by people who oppose Abortion based on religious and biblical grounds. 

 

53% of people who are absolutely certain of their belief in God oppose Abortion

32% of people who are fairly certain about their belief in God oppose Abortion

20% of people who are not very certain about their belief in God oppose Abortion

17% of people who are not sure if they believe in God oppose abortion.

11% of people who do not Believe in God at all oppose abortion

52% of people who oppose Abortion say they look to the Bible over philosophy, science, or reason for their opinions on what is right and wrong. 

 

 

And it's primarily Christians who form the core of opposing any and all abortions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion

 

[PUB78 1,358]

2 hours ago, Didba said:

Yes, force your beliefs onto others in this secular nation. This is not a christian nation.  Such a victory for you that women cannot get an abortion after being raped in Alabama. So christ like of you to force a woman to have her rapists child.

I support abortion if it is rape, incest or the mothers life is in jeopardy.

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

10 minutes ago, Didba said:

I love when guys like this dude make their hypocrisy so obvious and they are so unaware of how bad what they are saying sounds. Like he is preaching pro-life because of his beliefs but then turns around and blames the victim for being raped and says go travel across three states to get an abortion of the child you are bearing because of rape.  Jesus would abhor this person.

You are off your rocker.  Who is blaming the victim?  The choice the victim has (if the state doesn’t allow abortion for a rape victim) is travel to another state or bear the child.  It’s pretty simple if you take the emotion out of it.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

40 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Among other things, it took the delegitimization of the Supreme Court— that’s more on McConnell— to get to today’s decision. The fraying of the country’s fabric received a huge accelerant today— again, made so largely by a dysfunctional legislature that created an illegitimate Court. Worth it? Without those things, we’re not here.

I stated at the time they McConnell’s shenanigans with Garland weren’t right.  I still believe they in spite of this result. 

I still like the result of Roe being overturned. I don’t have to like or agree with the political skullduggery that preceded it. 

[homersapien 11,366]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

I know you libs like to bring race into every conversation. I’ll ignore it every time.

Hah! 

You pretty much ignore anything that might challenge your position.

[PUB78 1,358]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

A raped woman will just be shunned and blamed for having sex outside of marriage and for putting herself in the situation to be raped to begin with. 

Are you joking? 

[Didba 5,256]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So how would you teach your daughter?  Are you a parent?

No I am not a parent, my wife and I have chosen not to have children.  Not that you need to know that personal information but there ya go.

If I had a daughter I would tell her that she would never be at fault for being raped. Ever. It's that simple.  "I wouldn't have raped her your honor if she wasn't so pretty or wearing XYZ clothing" doesn't hold up in court as a defense to rape. 

I would educate her on safe environments, to be aware of her surroundings, to be aware of how sexual predators act, what situations sexual predators tend to exploit and how to quickly use the mace canister I gave (give? since its a hypo, I dunno) her just as I taught my wife.

[Didba 5,256]

7 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

Not his fault.  We do not teach real history.  We only teach the patriot, varnished, feel good version.

Depends on the state, I learned all about Brown v Board during highschool in Texas.

[TexasTiger 12,831]

6 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I stated at the time they McConnell’s shenanigans with Garland weren’t right.  I still believe they in spite of this result. 

I still like the result of Roe being overturned. I don’t have to like or agree with the political skullduggery that preceded it. 

I get that you like the result and wish the path here were different— but it wasn’t. If not for this path, we’re not here today — worth it? There’s always the goal and the trade off to get it— this was it to get this decision. Was it worth it?