AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, alexava said: My point is{ well first off Malik is likely a career depth spot} Phillip was passed over by big boys or recruited to other positions by them. He kept his throwing style all the way through college and still is not a blue print pro mechanic now with his throwing motion. Sometimes you just work with what you got. But I guarantee you they probably tried it and decided it’s not going to happen During a golf discussion about Sergio Garcia was taking place during a major several years ago. Jack Nicholas responded to a question from a commentator. “Should Sergio change his grip? “ “ Yes. If he wants to get his name off his bag and get his amateur status back. “. Everybody keeps mentioning big name successes. If you become a pro side-arming, of course you shouldn't change. That's what made you a pro. But Malik is raw clay who struggles throwing the football. He wasn't a heralded passer coming out of HS. He is 3 years in now. If he doesn't win the starting job out of spring he should change positions IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,847 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, AUght2win said: Like Mahomes, I don't think the sidearm is Stafford's default motion. They can use it sometimes. Now Rivers is a true side armer. That is fair but I think what several of us are saying that we do not think the side arm mechanics will be the reason or even the associate factor for MW either failing or not starting. Just my .02 cents. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,847 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 There are three crucial things Mw needs to be our starter. 1. Decrease turnovers 2. Make the right read 9/10 times 3. Be effective at throwing the stop, slant and fade He needs to try to shape his game like Pat White tbh. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KolchakAU85 430 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I'm among those who think Malik Willis has no chance of becoming the starter. I think it's an even race between Nix and Gatewood. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,972 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, DAG said: There are three crucial things Mw needs to be our starter. 1. Decrease turnovers 2. Make the right read 9/10 times 3. Be effective at throwing the stop, slant and fade He needs to try to shape his game like Pat White tbh. That’s a good one to shape into. We already have a Noel Devine clone. Except he’s probably a lot more rounded player and student. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 I think Willis will finish dead last in this race. He has looked impressive when he can get into open field. But what is startling is he makes such poor reads. On the read option and the few trick plays he has run. I know the read option isn't as easy as it looks but it is actually relatively easy. You basically just judge which direction the DE is leaning/commiting to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzle 3,895 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, AUght2win said: I think Willis will finish dead last in this race. He has looked impressive when he can get into open field. But what is startling is he makes such poor reads. On the read option and the few trick plays he has run. I know the read option isn't as easy as it looks but it is actually relatively easy. You basically just judge which direction the DE is leaning/commiting to. That's not easy at all. Not even the slightest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual-Threat Rigby 8,563 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 This thread REEKS of just burying Malik Willis. Guys have named 100 factors more needed for Willis to be the guy and instead, the OP replies with, "but yeah those are HOF guys" the point shouldn't be that there's only rarities who can fight through a weird throwing motion (Nick Marshall had a weird throwing motion, to me anyway, and he isn't soon to be a HOFer), it's that you can build a successful game around a weird throwing motion and it's not truly detrimental. especially on the collegiate level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,972 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said: This thread REEKS of just burying Malik Willis. Guys have named 100 factors more needed for Willis to be the guy and instead, the OP replies with, "but yeah those are HOF guys" the point shouldn't be that there's only rarities who can fight through a weird throwing motion (Nick Marshall had a weird throwing motion, to me anyway, and he isn't soon to be a HOFer), it's that you can build a successful game around a weird throwing motion and it's not truly detrimental. especially on the collegiate level I don’t even think it’s that weird. It looks like a strong athletic motion to me. The only thing wrong is the ball comes out at a little lower trajectory. Not good but not a deal breaker either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivisionN 102 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 hours ago, PowerOfDixieland said: Philip Rivers throws like Uncle freaking Rico.....he's only passed for a little over 31 miles in the NFL. bncc Tommy Tuberville is the final authority, Rivers is no SEC QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sizzle said: That's not easy at all. Not even the slightest It is one of the simplest plays in football. Hence why every team at every level of football runs it now. Even if you just guess you've got a 50/50 chance of guessing right. Relative to a QB diagnosing a blitz or figuring out a combo coverage in a split second, the option read is a piece of cake. Edited March 20, 2019 by AUght2win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said: This thread REEKS of just burying Malik Willis. Guys have named 100 factors more needed for Willis to be the guy and instead, the OP replies with, "but yeah those are HOF guys" the point shouldn't be that there's only rarities who can fight through a weird throwing motion (Nick Marshall had a weird throwing motion, to me anyway, and he isn't soon to be a HOFer), it's that you can build a successful game around a weird throwing motion and it's not truly detrimental. especially on the collegiate level He's not gonna be the guy, dawg. Or at least he shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,455 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 hours ago, DivisionN said: Tommy Tuberville is the final authority, Rivers is no SEC QB From the “Sad but true” department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,636 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 How much height do you need on a WR screen? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerOfDixieland 3,223 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 hours ago, AUght2win said: It is one of the simplest plays in football. Hence why every team at every level of football runs it now. Even if you just guess you've got a 50/50 chance of guessing right. Relative to a QB diagnosing a blitz or figuring out a combo coverage in a split second, the option read is a piece of cake. No offense personally, but this isn't really accurate. The QB read option developed with the spread which was devised to create mismatches for smaller and faster athletes against larger and physically superior defenders. By putting the ball in the hands of a QB who, for the time between the wishbone and the spread, never ran the ball it created another element of surprise. The read component isn't the piece of cake you make it out to be. In a bona fide read situation, you've got a mesh between two players who both have to see the same thing and both have to react correctly. I would be willing to bet significant money that in the Malzahn offense at Auburn we've almost never run a true read with the QB...not with Cam, and not with Nick. Because it's not that easy and because Gus is paranoid when it comes to putting his guys in position to even remotely increase the chance of fumbling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 hours ago, AUght2win said: He is 3 years in now. If he doesn't win the starting job out of spring he should change positions IMO. Dude's got great metrics for WR or DB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 hours ago, PowerOfDixieland said: No offense personally, but this isn't really accurate. The QB read option developed with the spread which was devised to create mismatches for smaller and faster athletes against larger and physically superior defenders. By putting the ball in the hands of a QB who, for the time between the wishbone and the spread, never ran the ball it created another element of surprise. The read component isn't the piece of cake you make it out to be. In a bona fide read situation, you've got a mesh between two players who both have to see the same thing and both have to react correctly. I would be willing to bet significant money that in the Malzahn offense at Auburn we've almost never run a true read with the QB...not with Cam, and not with Nick. Because it's not that easy and because Gus is paranoid when it comes to putting his guys in position to even remotely increase the chance of fumbling. The runningback does not make a read on the read option play. Idk what play you are referring to but it's not really relevant to this discussion. The read Auburn runs is very simple and easy. But Malik has struggled with it. giphy.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzle 3,895 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 hours ago, AUght2win said: It is one of the simplest plays in football. Hence why every team at every level of football runs it now. Even if you just guess you've got a 50/50 chance of guessing right. Relative to a QB diagnosing a blitz or figuring out a combo coverage in a split second, the option read is a piece of cake. Simple ≠ easy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUght2win 6,782 Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sizzle said: Simple ≠ easy Fortunately our off-tackle read is both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Didn't Tebow throw side arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, auburn4ever said: Didn't Tebow throw side arm? Isn't he on the Mets minor league team now? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,052 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said: Isn't he on the Mets minor league team now? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc4aday 1,887 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I really think that Willis will finish last in the QB race when it is all said and done. I could be wrong and have no problem admitting this. However, it will be Bo or Joey. I like Joey in this race! I wish we could find out how the QB race is going. I guess it is all under raps though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCslim 56 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Gonna comment only on the sideways throwing motion. the last 2 years he has been qb camping with micheal Vick. They both have that same throwing motion so that’s probably where he got it from 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeleagle 2,945 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 19 hours ago, doc4aday said: I really think that Willis will finish last in the QB race when it is all said and done. I could be wrong and have no problem admitting this. However, it will be Bo or Joey. I like Joey in this race! I wish we could find out how the QB race is going. I guess it is all under raps though. If he doesn't improve his decision making and accuracy on passing plays, I don't see him being the starter. CGM has to know that he needs a strong presence at QB, if our offense is going to be consistently productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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