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3 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Because he lost the team and sold his soul to get the job and was a glorified puppet.

yea we all know Gus and Cam is the reason Auburn won that National Championship

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17 minutes ago, Mikey said:

He didn't do better than that at FIU, including going 3-9 in his 6th season there and getting fired for amassing a 27-47 record. If, after six years, the best a guy can do is 3-9 it's no wonder he got fired. AU fired Chizik for going 3-9 just two years after winning a National Championship. Four of Cristobal's six years there were losing seasons. Is that what Auburn is looking for?

At a program that didn't exist prior to 2002.  When Cristobal took over, they were in their 6th season of existence and had only recently joined an actual conference.  The situations aren't analogous.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, JJB74 said:

so you are saying it's easier to win at Auburn than Oregon because of the talent Auburn has?

please Oregon's schedule is a joke year in and year out , the only decent team they have played they lost and to that coach you say needs be fired

If Mario is such a good coach  he would have never lost that game to auburn this year. there were so many mental  mistakes he made in that game 

Yes any dope can win 8 games off of talent alone at Auburn. See Gus Malzahn and TT. TY record was mediocre at ole miss. Gus had zero relevant college experience and yet both somehow found a way to win an SEC championship along with the horrible Iowa State guy. 
 

What a shortsighted argument. Dabo Swinney lost to a 4-8 syracuse in 2017 does that make him less of a good coach? Urban Meyer loss to Brohm and an average purdue team last year does that make him less of a good coach? 

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3 minutes ago, JJB74 said:

yea we all know Gus and Cam is the reason Auburn won that National Championship

I guess Gus hired himself and cam recruited himself as well. 

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1 minute ago, JJB74 said:

yea we all know Gus and Cam is the reason Auburn won that National Championship

Weird response but okay

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3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I think your logic might have a flaw.

Did you even look at your own list? The only one of those coaches that had a losing record is Orgeron and the jury is out on what he'll do without Superman at QB. All the rest had wining records. Cristobal has a losing 44-53 record. He doesn't fit in with those coaches.

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17 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Or, it could be that Orgeron has a QB that's having a once in a decade season. When evaluating coaching prospects their won-loss records are important. Other factors can and should be included, but speculation that a guy has improved based on one or two seasons isn't sufficient reason to disregard an entire career's losing record.

It's apparent that you don't watch football at all.  Orgeron went out and completely changed his offense this year.  He brought in Joe Brady from the Saints who transformed LSU's ground and pound traditional offense into a wide open, pro style spread like the Saints use.  It's not like Joe Burrow turned into Superman during the off-season.  He just got the right scheme and coaching to take advantage of his talents.

Orgeron recognized his team's shortcomings and then changed the scheme and coaching to elevate their chances.  That's called evolving and is the sign of a damn good football coach.

Also, Orgeron was still winning 9-10 games his first couple of years at LSU before changing the offense.  Nothing during his tenure at Ole Miss would have suggested such success.  The man has undeniably gotten better as a head football coach.

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12 minutes ago, Mikey said:

When Gus's 7 is way better than the Cristobal's 7, that's good enough reason to look somewhere besides at Cristobal. Cristobal's assumed success at AU is based on nothing but speculation and wishful thinking. There is nothing in his record to justify such optimism.

You've basically described every single coaching hire Auburn has ever made.  You also described LSU's hire of Nick Saban, Florida's hire of Steve Spurrier, Oklahoma's hire of Bob Stoops, Clemson's hire of Dabo Swinney, UGA's hire of Mark Richt and Kirby Smart.  This isn't a rebuttal, it's fear of doing anything masquarading as prudence.

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4 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

At a program that didn't exist prior to 2002.  When Cristobal took over, they were in their 6th season of existence and had only recently joined an actual conference.  The situations aren't analogous.

 

 

And by Cristobal's sixth season there, they were 3-9 and he got fired. Overall 27-47. If he inherited a poor program he certainly did nothing to build it up.

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1 minute ago, Mikey said:

Did you even look at your own list? The only one of those coaches that had a losing record is Orgeron and the jury is out on what he'll do without Superman at QB. All the rest had wining records. Cristobal has a losing 44-53 record. He doesn't fit in with those coaches.

Mikey,   Gus could win the National Championship and some would still not like him.....It is what is is.....Gus is the only auburn coach that has coached in the national championship game TWICE but somehow he doesn't know what hes doing and is a bad coach 

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4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Did you even look at your own list? The only one of those coaches that had a losing record is Orgeron and the jury is out on what he'll do without Superman at QB. All the rest had wining records. Cristobal has a losing 44-53 record. He doesn't fit in with those coaches.

Yes.  Did you notice that none of those other guys were coaching a team that didn't exist prior to this century?  Did you notice that he improved on his predecessor at this fledgling football program and took them to their only conference title to date and back to back bowl games?  Did you notice that the coach they hired to replace him did even worse?

Stop nitpicking isolated bits of information while ignoring everything else.

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It all starts with recruiting. 

We won't ever reach a point where we are .500 against Alabama, Georgia, and LSU until we start recruiting like them. 

We are a top 10 recruiting school, no doubt, but the gap between us and the top one or two teams each year is ENORMOUS. 

In 2019, the difference in total points on the 247 class rankings between Alabama (317.50) and Auburn (271.94) is the same between Auburn and Purdue (224.72). 

In 2018, the difference between UGA (323.31) and Auburn (262.77) is the same between Auburn and Vanderbilt (202.04)

In 2017, the difference between LSU (287.66) and Auburn (255.92) is the same between Auburn and Mississippi State (220.22)

That's what we're dealing with before the season ever starts. 

If we want to beat those teams consistently, we are going to have to recruit at a much higher level. 

Given the current status of recruiting, winning 1/3 games vs. those opponents is a reasonable expectation for Auburn. Anything better than .333 vs the big 3 would be exceeding expectations. A .250 record in those games likely arises to the BARE MINIMUM expectation and, anything less than that is just plain unacceptable, IMO. 

Currently, Gus is 6-14 vs the big 3, or .300.  If you include Clemson, whose recruiting is comparable to those teams, he's approaching .250. Meanwhile, he's batting .750 vs the rest of the SEC and I think that's a perfectly reasonable record, even including MSU. So overall, I would say that Gus has been meeting MINIMUM expectations at Auburn. 

I'm not looking for Auburn to all the sudden start batting .500 vs those teams given our recruiting. I also don't think that Gus is a bad coach, but I'd rather not get comfortable with a coach whose performance only meets minimum expectations. 

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3 minutes ago, JJB74 said:

Mikey,   Gus could win the National Championship and some would still not like him.....It is what is is.....Gus is the only auburn coach that has coached in the national championship game TWICE but somehow he doesn't know what hes doing and is a bad coach 

He's also the only coach that could take 5 top ten recruiting classes and average 5 losses a year with them.

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2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

And by Cristobal's sixth season there, they were 3-9 and he got fired. Overall 27-47. If he inherited a poor program he certainly did nothing to build it up.

Right.  And their AD was roundly criticized for the shortsightedness of that move.  FIU was not going to be in a position to never have down years.  A program that young and at that level (Sun Belt) isn't going to yet be able to stockpile enough talent to survive a season with a rash of injuries or one where they graduate a bunch of key players from the previous year.

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4 minutes ago, JJB74 said:

Mikey,   Gus could win the National Championship and some would still not like him.....It is what is is.....Gus is the only auburn coach that has coached in the national championship game TWICE but somehow he doesn't know what hes doing and is a bad coach 

You could probably count on one hand the number of people who wouldn't be fans of Gus if he won a national title, and you'd have fingers to spare when you did.  Don't exaggerate.  

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The only season Cristobal needs to explain is his last season at FIU.

Keep in mind, this is FIU.  They were 5-41 before he got there.  Mario was 27-41.

 

Reminds me of Gus (69-32) and Urban (187-32).  Which is better?

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2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

You've basically described every single coaching hire Auburn has ever made.  You also described LSU's hire of Nick Saban, Florida's hire of Steve Spurrier, Oklahoma's hire of Bob Stoops, Clemson's hire of Dabo Swinney, UGA's hire of Mark Richt and Kirby Smart.  This isn't a rebuttal, it's fear of doing anything disguised as prudence.

Saban and Spurrier were winners when they were hired. The others were probably assistants somewhere. None of those had losing records when they were hired. The only head coach AU has hired that had a losing record was Chizik and, NC or not, he was gone after four years. Is a repeat of Chizik what we want?

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Just now, Mikey said:

Saban and Spurrier were winners when they were hired.

They had mediocre records at low tier to middling programs.  

 

Just now, Mikey said:

The others were probably assistants somewhere. None of those had losing records when they were hired. The only head coach AU has hired that had a losing record was Chizik and, NC or not, he was gone after four years. Is a repeat of Chizik what we want?

You keep repeating this like it has meaning.  It doesn't without context and you know it.  You can't just compare records as if that's all that matters when some guys are coaching Power 5 programs and others are coaching programs that literally weren't even playing the sport 6 years prior to their arrival.  So stop with the "losing record" babble and offer a serious argument.

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7 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Over and over and over and over and over again and again.................I'm getting a headache

 

 

This one's much better. Bobby Day, 1958

 

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7 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Over and over and over and over and over again and again.................I'm getting a headache

Mitch Hedburg would say it's like playing tennis against a wall.

I'm seeing relentlessness equal to that of a wall, but probably a little less intelligence.

 

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1 minute ago, bigbird said:

The repeat of Tubbervile is so much better.

I love Tubbs but his record against Bama would not look the same if he was coaching now, not with Saban at Bama.

Tubbs had a 5-6 season and a 5-7 season while at Auburn Gus has not. 

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