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Trump or Lincoln?

If you’re a Trump supporter, which President do you think is greater?  

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  1. 1. Better President?

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2 hours ago, bigbird said:

I take that as a great compliment. Thank you.

Most folks want the guilty convicted— but okay.

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2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Most folks want the guilty convicted— but okay.

Most people go onto a jury with an open mind, but okay

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6 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

It is challenging to see the danger we are in as a country and have so many folks like yourself who can’t see it or simply don’t care enough because they are currently comfortable. 

I think most of us see the "danger' Brother Tex.

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2 hours ago, bigbird said:

Most people go onto a jury with an open mind, but okay

An open mind is good going in. I said if I was guilty, you’re the guy I want weighing the evidence.

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On 12/3/2019 at 6:33 AM, homersapien said:

The more love Always Trumpers show, the more dangerous Trump becomes

You’ve heard of the Never Trumpers. That’s the president’s catchall slur for anyone who criticizes him or at least accurately attests to something unsavory he’s done.

But let’s talk instead for a moment about the true risk to our democracy: the Always Trumpers. These are people such as Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) and even the once-reasonable-sounding Rep. Will Hurd (R-Tex.), who excuse away any evidence of impeachment-worthy misdeeds no matter how damning.

The Always Trumpers represent a sprawling group of lackeys and co-conspirators, willing to aid, abet and (most importantly) adore President Trump no matter what he’s credibly accused of. Come hell or high crimes, Always Trumpers always truckle to Trump.

It doesn’t matter whether he’s extorting a desperate ally into announcing a fake investigation into a domestic political rival, compromising both that ally’s national security and ours. The Always Trumpers, many of whom were once Russia hawks, will stand by their man.

Many even cheerfully assist him in spreading Kremlin-planted propaganda.

It’s no worry that he’s encouraging war crimes and pardoning war criminals. Those onetime law-and-order fanatics now believe their lawless leader knows best.

He can betray his party’s commitment to free trade by inflicting tariffs that condemn U.S. manufacturers to recession and farmers to bankruptcy. He can then try to tidy up his trade-war mistakes with a ginormous farmer bailout, one that’s now more than twice as expensive as the 2009 auto-industry bailout that many Republicans opposed.

He can find other ways to undermine the GOP’s stated commitment to unfettered capitalism. He dictates where and how supply chains must operate, and weaponizes state power to reward companies that flatter him and punish those that don’t. Companies hoping for merger approval or tariff exemptions must kiss his ring. Or, preferably, grease his palm, with a stay at the otherwise half-empty Trump International Hotel in Washington.

Somehow, those erstwhile free marketers remain Always Trumpers.

Trump can persecute people based on their religious beliefs; he can have affairs with porn stars; he can rip nursing infants from their mothers’ breasts. Even the Bible Belters have buckled, and family-values-fixated Republicans remain perpetual pro-Trumpers, too.

Some Always Trumpers are die-hard cultists, proposing gristly punishments for the president’s perceived enemies (such as death by hanging for House Democrats who deign to exercise their constitutional oversight responsibilities). Others, such as retiring congressman and former CIA officer Hurd, were once considered moderates, or at least statesmen willing to weigh the evidence. Now even Hurd is excusing L’Affaire Ukraine, perhaps so he can preserve his own future opportunities within the GOP.

Trump has been mocked for declaring, as he did in a Monday tweet, that “The Republican Party has NEVER been so united!” The impeachment inquiry, he said of the GOP, is “bringing us even closer together!”

But given the public behavior of Republicans, Trump’s claims of unprecedented party unity appear correct. It’s hard to imagine a Republican Party of yesteryear excusing such inexcusable behavior, simply because the misbehaver is the party’s standard-bearer. (Even Richard M. Nixon lost his party’s support eventually.) Indeed, to be a Republican today is almost definitionally to be an Always Trumper. Any Republican who reveals himself to be merely a Sometimes Trumper, such as Rep. Justin Amash (I-Mich.), gets ejected from the party.

Similar dynamics are at play for Republican voters, too.

Conservatives who don’t approve of the president’s actions are — like Amash — simply leaving the party, with “Why I’m No Longer a Republican” cris de coeur fast becoming a hot new genre of nonfiction. Those who remain in the GOP pledge their absolute loyalty to their boss, especially voters who get their news from de-facto state media. In a recent PRRI survey, a majority (55 percent) of Republicans whose primary news source is Fox News say there is nothing Trump could do to lose their approval.

There are, of course, many reasons to worry about this kind of idolatry.

But the biggest risk is that the more unconditional love the Always Trumpers show, the more emboldened Trump becomes. And the more he escalates his democratic destruction.

Absolved for soliciting political interference from one country, in one presidential election, he asks it publicly of two countries in the next. Forgiven for politicizing law enforcement, he moves on to politicizing the military. Allowed to abuse one immigrant group, or undermine one federal agency, he adds others to his crosshairs.

Just imagine what he’ll do if not just GOP lawmakers but also the electorate affirms his behavior with four more years.

Well done, Always Trumpers. If Trump didn’t genuinely believe he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue before, you’ve convinced him he can now.

 

Blah,blah,blah. Get over the butthurt, homer. You only have 5 and 1/2 years left to hate on Trump.

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16 hours ago, jluvah said:

Blah,blah,blah. Get over the butthurt, homer. You only have 5 and 1/2 years left to hate on Trump.

I am not "butthurt" :rolleyes:.  In fact, I've got it made.   (And I don't even have any kids to worry about.)

If Trump is re-elected, it serves us right for clinging to an archaic electoral system that allows enough fools like you to override the majority.

Maybe the resulting reaction will ultimately help to stop this fact-free insanity we've fallen into.

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15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

In fact, I've got it made.   (And I don't even have any kids to worry about.)

Hmmn? telling that you view kids as something to worry about.

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On 12/5/2019 at 8:14 AM, TexasTiger said:

So do you not think there is sufficient proof the President withheld aid in an effort to have Ukraine announce an investigation into a political rival?

Tex, what do you think is the strongest admissible evidence in this matter? Let’s assume the Federal Rules of Evidence apply.

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2 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Tex, what do you think is the strongest admissible evidence in this matter? Let’s assume the Federal Rules of Evidence apply.

Why assume something that isn’t true? That said, take the doctored “transcript” released by Trump, his own statements, his Chief of Staff’s own statements and Vindman’s testimony of his first hand knowledge, you have a pretty compelling case.

 

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5 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Hmmn? telling that you view kids as something to worry about.

I worry about my kids All. The. Time.  And I have good kids - good students, kind hearted, make generally wise choices.  If a parent doesn't worry about their kids at least some of the time, I question whether they're doing it right.

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3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I worry about my kids All. The. Time.  And I have good kids - good students, kind hearted, make generally wise choices.  If a parent doesn't worry about their kids at least some of the time, I question whether they're doing it right.

I especially worry about the kids of parents who never worry about them.

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8 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I worry about my kids All. The. Time.  And I have good kids - good students, kind hearted, make generally wise choices.  If a parent doesn't worry about their kids at least some of the time, I question whether they're doing it right.

I understand where Homer was coming from and agree with what you are saying. Have three boys myself that have turned out extremely well. Spent my share of time worrying but never had any serious issues. 

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7 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Hmmn? telling that you view kids as something to worry about.

What's telling is you apparently don't give a rat's ass about the future of your - and everyone else's - kids.

I suppose that supreme selfishness has become the American way, certainly for Trump supporters.

 

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On 12/6/2019 at 2:36 PM, SaltyTiger said:

I understand where Homer was coming from and agree with what you are saying. Have three boys myself that have turned out extremely well. Spent my share of time worrying but never had any serious issues. 

You obviously didn't understand. 

I was referring to the fact that humans typically express their concerns for the future (if any) in terms of future generations - i.e.:  their children - having to exist in that future

You are apparently too egocentric to appreciate the fact that decisions we make as a society can and do alter the future in deleterious ways that will affect future generations, including yours, no matter how good of a job you feel that you have done in raising them as individuals.

That is typical of a Trump supporter. Like is drawn to like I suppose.

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3 hours ago, homersapien said:

You obviously didn't understand. 

I do understand and I feel that our youngsters have bright and happy future. 

Just taking a playful jab at you and I apologize. Mrs Salty and I were taking a bicycle this afternoon. She told me that social media brings out the worst in people. Perhaps I had a moment like that this morning.

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

You are apparently too egocentric to appreciate the fact that decisions we make as a society can and do alter the future in deleterious ways that will affect future generations, including yours, no matter how good of a job you feel that you have done in raising them as individuals.

That is typical of a Trump supporter. Like is drawn to like I suppose.

You deflect all problems, present and future, to President Trump and/or the morons that voted for him do you not Brother Homer? Not healthy. 

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12 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

I do understand and I feel that our youngsters have bright and happy future. 

Just taking a playful jab at you and I apologize. Mrs Salty and I were taking a bicycle this afternoon. She told me that social media brings out the worst in people. Perhaps I had a moment like that this morning.

You deflect all problems, present and future, to President Trump and/or the morons that voted for him do you not Brother Homer? Not healthy. 

Just a "playful jab" MAGA.

And I attribute only those problems - present and future - to Trump that Trump is aggravating, all of which your progeny will inherit.

Denial and blind subservience is not healthy.

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On 12/6/2019 at 1:09 PM, TexasTiger said:

Why assume something that isn’t true? That said, take the doctored “transcript” released by Trump, his own statements, his Chief of Staff’s own statements and Vindman’s testimony of his first hand knowledge, you have a pretty compelling case.

 

 

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On 12/8/2019 at 7:45 PM, SaltyTiger said:

Meanwhile the left has been probing, investigating, lying, and avoiding their elected purpose for three years now.

Read more :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

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1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said:

smallvox, no thanks. Please bring something credible.

Dispute the facts or don’t play. This are basic objective facts outside of Trump fantasy land.

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1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

Dispute the facts or don’t play. This are basic objective facts outside of Trump fantasy land.

Still losing. Try again. ;)

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