Gatewood

[cole256 17,039]

6 minutes ago, DAG said:

Well I think UK gives him the best chance to start versus going to a more prestigious program. Getting there a year early and learning the playbook gets him a step up IMO. Now it’s up to him to show out and prove himself 

You make points that I didn't necessarily see initially

[cole256 17,039]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

This seems so obvious to me.

I have to imagine that some folks just got their feelings hurt that he didn't stick around to watch Bo play a few more games so they're just judging him for all his decisions now.

Absolutely. The thing people don't mention too much is his first year here he didn't get to get reps. They are more important than anything starting out. If Bo didn't get reps when he first came this summer he doesn't win the job. I think I may have went to vandy myself and ensure I'm successful one way or the other. 

But clearly he trusts somebody at Kentucky and it seems like he just wants somebody he can trust.....unfortunately we don't all get that in life but every young person deserves that

[McLoofus 35,182]

Just a quick reminder that Benny Snell was a star RB at UK. Which made him the whole offense and got him picked in the 4th round. 

MSU worked out okay for Dak Prescott.

Lamar Jackson won the Heisman at Louisville.

In fact, look at all the starting QBs in the NFL and tell me how many went to power programs. Rivers, Trubisky, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Jones (or Eli for that matter), Wentz, Mahomes... If a guy produces at a D1 school (or maybe even a lesser classification), then he can be a hero there and a very wealthy man. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

9 minutes ago, cole256 said:

Absolutely. The thing people don't mention too much is his first year here he didn't get to get reps. They are more important than anything starting out. If Bo didn't get reps when he first came this summer he doesn't win the job. I think I may have went to vandy myself and ensure I'm successful one way or the other. 

But clearly he trusts somebody at Kentucky and it seems like he just wants somebody he can trust.....unfortunately we don't all get that in life but every young person deserves that

What's sad is that he stuck with us from Lashlee all the way to Dilly. And Gus told him he'd play. And then he didn't play him when it mattered and we needed a spark. That's got to hurt.

[bigbird 60,367]

21 minutes ago, DAG said:

Well I think UK gives him the best chance to start versus going to a more prestigious program. Getting there a year early and learning the playbook gets him a step up IMO. Now it’s up to him to show out and prove himself 

Exactly and EG will do wonders with him. I think he might be the piece that allows Stoops to take the next step and contend with UF and UGA.

[cole256 17,039]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

What's sad is that he stuck with us from Lashlee all the way to Dilly. And Gus told him he'd play. And then he didn't play him when it mattered and we needed a spark. That's got to hurt.

That's what bothered me the most as far as people talking bad on him....literally said pull a JG just throwing out all he did for this school. It's sad how they will do you

[LKEEL75 2,566]

13 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Just a quick reminder that Benny Snell was a star RB at UK. Which made him the whole offense and got him picked in the 4th round. 

MSU worked out okay for Dak Prescott.

Lamar Jackson won the Heisman at Louisville.

In fact, look at all the starting QBs in the NFL and tell me how many went to power programs. Rivers, Trubisky, Brees, Ryan, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Jones (or Eli for that matter), Wentz, Mahomes... If a guy produces at a D1 school (or maybe even a lesser classification), then he can be a hero there and a very wealthy man. 

I think the question is what are you calling "power programs".  I got the following list from this link and it is a pretty good list of the starting QBs in the NFL.  I would say that most of these guys came from Power 5 programs.  Sure there are one or 2 that didn't but for the most part they come from well known programs that are in P5 conferences.

Team	Quarterback	College	Year drafted (pick)	Beginning of  starting streak	Ref.
Arizona Cardinals (list)	Kyler Murray	Oklahoma	2019 (1)	Week 1, 2019
Atlanta Falcons (list)	Matt Ryan	Boston College	2008 (3)	Week 9, 2019	[6]
Baltimore Ravens (list)	Lamar Jackson	Louisville	2018 (32)	Week 11, 2018
Buffalo Bills (list)	Josh Allen	Wyoming	2018 (7)	Week 12, 2018
Carolina Panthers (list)	Kyle Allen	Houston	2018 (Undrafted)	Week 3, 2019
Chicago Bears (list)	Mitchell Trubisky	UNC	2017 (2)	Week 7, 2019
Cincinnati Bengals (list)	Andy Dalton	TCU	2011 (35)	Week 13, 2019
Cleveland Browns (list)	Baker Mayfield	Oklahoma	2018 (1)	Week 4, 2018
Dallas Cowboys (list)	Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	2016 (135)	Week 1, 2016	[7]
Denver Broncos (list)	Drew Lock	Missouri	2019 (42)	Week 13, 2019
Detroit Lions (list)	David Blough	Purdue	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019	[8]
Green Bay Packers (list)	Aaron Rodgers	California	2005 (24)	Week 1, 2018
Houston Texans (list)	Deshaun Watson	Clemson	2017 (12)	Week 1, 2018
Indianapolis Colts (list)	Jacoby Brissett	NC State	2016 (91)	Week 11, 2019
Jacksonville Jaguars (list)	Nick Foles	Arizona	2012 (88)	Week 11, 2019
Kansas City Chiefs (list)	Patrick Mahomes	Texas Tech	2017 (10)	Week 10, 2019
Los Angeles Chargers (list)	Philip Rivers	NC State	2004 (4)	Week 1, 2006	[9]
Los Angeles Rams (list)	Jared Goff	California	2016 (1)	Week 1, 2018
Miami Dolphins (list)	Ryan Fitzpatrick	Harvard	2005 (250)	Week 7, 2019
Minnesota Vikings (list)	Kirk Cousins	Michigan State	2012 (102)	Week 1, 2018
New England Patriots (list)	Tom Brady	Michigan	2000 (199)	Week 5, 2016
New Orleans Saints (list)	Drew Brees	Purdue	2001 (32)	Week 8, 2019
New York Giants (list)	Daniel Jones	Duke	2019 (6)	Week 3, 2019
New York Jets (list)	Sam Darnold	USC	2018 (3)	Week 6, 2019
Oakland Raiders (list)	Derek Carr	Fresno State	2014 (36)	Week 6, 2017
Philadelphia Eagles (list)	Carson Wentz	North Dakota State	2016 (2)	Week 1, 2019
Pittsburgh Steelers (list)	Devlin Hodges	Samford	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019
San Francisco 49ers (list)	Jimmy Garoppolo	Eastern Illinois	2014 (62)	Week 1, 2019
Seattle Seahawks (list)	Russell Wilson	Wisconsin	2012 (75)	Week 1, 2012	[10]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (list)	Jameis Winston	Florida State	2015 (1)	Week 12, 2018
Tennessee Titans (list)	Ryan Tannehill	Texas A&M	2012 (8)	Week 7, 2019
Washington Redskins (list)	Dwayne Haskins	Ohio State	2019 (15)	Week 9, 2019

[Mikey 16,545]

48 minutes ago, The Freak said:

Is it funny that Gus has a history of poor personnel decisions?

Obviously true because the players that have jumped the AU ship to go to another college have done so well at their next stop. ......Oh, wait, they haven't.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Just now, LKEEL75 said:

I think the question is what are you calling "power programs".  I got the following list from this link and it is a pretty good list of the starting QBs in the NFL.  I would say that most of these guys came from Power 5 programs.  Sure there are one or 2 that didn't but for the most part they come from well known programs that are in P5 conferences.

Team	Quarterback	College	Year drafted (pick)	Beginning of  starting streak	Ref.
Arizona Cardinals (list)	Kyler Murray	Oklahoma	2019 (1)	Week 1, 2019
Atlanta Falcons (list)	Matt Ryan	Boston College	2008 (3)	Week 9, 2019	[6]
Baltimore Ravens (list)	Lamar Jackson	Louisville	2018 (32)	Week 11, 2018
Buffalo Bills (list)	Josh Allen	Wyoming	2018 (7)	Week 12, 2018
Carolina Panthers (list)	Kyle Allen	Houston	2018 (Undrafted)	Week 3, 2019
Chicago Bears (list)	Mitchell Trubisky	UNC	2017 (2)	Week 7, 2019
Cincinnati Bengals (list)	Andy Dalton	TCU	2011 (35)	Week 13, 2019
Cleveland Browns (list)	Baker Mayfield	Oklahoma	2018 (1)	Week 4, 2018
Dallas Cowboys (list)	Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	2016 (135)	Week 1, 2016	[7]
Denver Broncos (list)	Drew Lock	Missouri	2019 (42)	Week 13, 2019
Detroit Lions (list)	David Blough	Purdue	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019	[8]
Green Bay Packers (list)	Aaron Rodgers	California	2005 (24)	Week 1, 2018
Houston Texans (list)	Deshaun Watson	Clemson	2017 (12)	Week 1, 2018
Indianapolis Colts (list)	Jacoby Brissett	NC State	2016 (91)	Week 11, 2019
Jacksonville Jaguars (list)	Nick Foles	Arizona	2012 (88)	Week 11, 2019
Kansas City Chiefs (list)	Patrick Mahomes	Texas Tech	2017 (10)	Week 10, 2019
Los Angeles Chargers (list)	Philip Rivers	NC State	2004 (4)	Week 1, 2006	[9]
Los Angeles Rams (list)	Jared Goff	California	2016 (1)	Week 1, 2018
Miami Dolphins (list)	Ryan Fitzpatrick	Harvard	2005 (250)	Week 7, 2019
Minnesota Vikings (list)	Kirk Cousins	Michigan State	2012 (102)	Week 1, 2018
New England Patriots (list)	Tom Brady	Michigan	2000 (199)	Week 5, 2016
New Orleans Saints (list)	Drew Brees	Purdue	2001 (32)	Week 8, 2019
New York Giants (list)	Daniel Jones	Duke	2019 (6)	Week 3, 2019
New York Jets (list)	Sam Darnold	USC	2018 (3)	Week 6, 2019
Oakland Raiders (list)	Derek Carr	Fresno State	2014 (36)	Week 6, 2017
Philadelphia Eagles (list)	Carson Wentz	North Dakota State	2016 (2)	Week 1, 2019
Pittsburgh Steelers (list)	Devlin Hodges	Samford	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019
San Francisco 49ers (list)	Jimmy Garoppolo	Eastern Illinois	2014 (62)	Week 1, 2019
Seattle Seahawks (list)	Russell Wilson	Wisconsin	2012 (75)	Week 1, 2012	[10]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (list)	Jameis Winston	Florida State	2015 (1)	Week 12, 2018
Tennessee Titans (list)	Ryan Tannehill	Texas A&M	2012 (8)	Week 7, 2019
Washington Redskins (list)	Dwayne Haskins	Ohio State	2019 (15)	Week 9, 2019

A "power program" to me is a program in the top half of a P5 conference that has a legitimate reason to believe that they might be in the playoff hunt with the right coach, right QB, etc. Basically the teams that have consistently shown up in the top 25 the last decade or so. 

But your post kind of proves my point. Gatewood is going to a P5 program that is headed to their 4th straight bowl. Kentucky is on equal or higher footing compared to at least half the schools on your list. If he produces there, then his NFL dreams remain 100% intact. Especially if there's an easier path to getting on the field and a better chance of the offense revolving around him.

If he fails at Kentucky, it will likely be because he really wasn't as good as we'd hoped. If he succeeds there, then there is no asterisk by his success. I think he's making a great decision.

It actually reminds me of Will Muschamp. He made a fantastic decision to take the USC job. Total no-brainer. And it's not USC's fault that he's failing there. Turns out he really just isn't head coaching material. It also reminds me of Gus himself. Turns out that Arkansas State gig that made everyone scratch their heads worked out damned well for him. 

If people want to get all sour grapes because Joey left or how he left, then they're entitled to their emotions. But I don't see any logic behind doubting Joey's decision to go to Kentucky. I'm open to the conversation but I haven't seen any legitimate concerns yet. 

 

[abw0004 10,104]

1 hour ago, cole256 said:

It's funny to me the people that are sure that Gatewood can't be a good QB see all the potential in the world in Bo.....people can hate me all they want but if I'm hated for demanding people be judged the same and disliked for pointing of differences so be it. I'm cool with that

To be fair I am one of those guys that sees all of the potential in Bo, but I never said Gatewood could not be a great QB.  On the contrary.  I hope he lights it up and stomps on UGA in 2021 if he has to sit out 2020.  Anything to give UGA's opponents more firepower I support 100%!

[LKEEL75 2,566]

I agree with you @McLoofus.  I think the jury is still out on Gatewood.  I wish him all the best and hope he can get on to the NFL and light it up.

 

[Tigerpro2a 5,650]

4 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

To be fair I am one of those guys that sees all of the potential in Bo, but I never said Gatewood could not be a great QB.  On the contrary.  I hope he lights it up and stomps on UGA in 2021 if he has to sit out 2020.  Anything to give UGA's opponents more firepower I support 100%!

I am right there with you. I always thought Joey had the tools needed. I would have ridden with him had he been named starter. I predicted Bo just because Bo seemed to be the more polished QB of the two and I stuck with him. I think our schedule wouldn't have played out much different either way honestly. I think Bo did somethings that cost us a couple of games as well as did some that won us a couple of games. Maybe Joey does better in those losses, but doesn't make the plays in those wins....who knows. I wish him all the success in the world not at AU's expense.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Just now, LKEEL75 said:

I agree with you @McLoofus.  I think the jury is still out on Gatewood.  I wish him all the best and hope he can get on to the NFL and light it up.

What you said.

[cole256 17,039]

24 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

To be fair I am one of those guys that sees all of the potential in Bo, but I never said Gatewood could not be a great QB.  On the contrary.  I hope he lights it up and stomps on UGA in 2021 if he has to sit out 2020.  Anything to give UGA's opponents more firepower I support 100%!

Which is cool I have no problem with that

[The Freak 2,526]

52 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Obviously true because the players that have jumped the AU ship to go to another college have done so well at their next stop. ......Oh, wait, they haven't.

It's more than just the transfers although Roc Thomas is doing okay. 

Sean White and Cam Pettway saved Gus's job, but he killed their careers anyway.  Speaking of SW, he.let.him.play.with.a.broken.arm.wtf.

CJ Uzomah was underutilized, but is doing okay.

How about the whole running the RB into the ground?

Should I list the QBs that were poorly evaluated?  Or how about the RBs?

But nevermind, Tyler Queen didn't pan out at West Georgia so Gus evaluated him properly.  Oh wait, he gave him a scholarship.

[Mikey 16,545]

2 minutes ago, The Freak said:

But nevermind, Tyler Queen didn't pan out at West Georgia so Gus evaluated him properly.  Oh wait, he gave him a scholarship.

I'll choose just one: Queen ruined his arm playing baseball  the summer before he came to AU. The rest of your bowling pins are as easily knocked over as this one.

[C'viewTiger 242]

On 12/8/2019 at 8:58 AM, eaglenest said:

Asa martin says hello

Asa lost his 2d red shirt year???  Poor kid, happened two years in a row.

[AuMarine 1,372]

2 hours ago, DAG said:

Well I think UK gives him the best chance to start versus going to a more prestigious program. Getting there a year early and learning the playbook gets him a step up IMO. Now it’s up to him to show out and prove himself 

Correct.  He has a year to sit and learn. I posted this before, but Hinshaw was big in recruiting JG to Kentucky. (Check out his track record with other qbs.) Therefore it was easy to see why JG chose UK. A year to learn, then compete for the starting job. I really believe this was a great decision for him and as @bigbird mentioned earlier he also has Eddie Gran to work with... 

[The Freak 2,526]

13 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I'll choose just one: Queen ruined his arm playing baseball  the summer before he came to AU. The rest of your bowling pins are as easily knocked over as this one.

There are a lot more bowling pins.  Enough to show the pattern of personnel management issues.

[AU64 10,122]

2 hours ago, LKEEL75 said:

I think the question is what are you calling "power programs".  I got the following list from this link and it is a pretty good list of the starting QBs in the NFL.  I would say that most of these guys came from Power 5 programs.  Sure there are one or 2 that didn't but for the most part they come from well known programs that are in P5 conferences.

Team	Quarterback	College	Year drafted (pick)	Beginning of  starting streak	Ref.
Arizona Cardinals (list)	Kyler Murray	Oklahoma	2019 (1)	Week 1, 2019
Atlanta Falcons (list)	Matt Ryan	Boston College	2008 (3)	Week 9, 2019	[6]
Baltimore Ravens (list)	Lamar Jackson	Louisville	2018 (32)	Week 11, 2018
Buffalo Bills (list)	Josh Allen	Wyoming	2018 (7)	Week 12, 2018
Carolina Panthers (list)	Kyle Allen	Houston	2018 (Undrafted)	Week 3, 2019
Chicago Bears (list)	Mitchell Trubisky	UNC	2017 (2)	Week 7, 2019
Cincinnati Bengals (list)	Andy Dalton	TCU	2011 (35)	Week 13, 2019
Cleveland Browns (list)	Baker Mayfield	Oklahoma	2018 (1)	Week 4, 2018
Dallas Cowboys (list)	Dak Prescott	Mississippi State	2016 (135)	Week 1, 2016	[7]
Denver Broncos (list)	Drew Lock	Missouri	2019 (42)	Week 13, 2019
Detroit Lions (list)	David Blough	Purdue	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019	[8]
Green Bay Packers (list)	Aaron Rodgers	California	2005 (24)	Week 1, 2018
Houston Texans (list)	Deshaun Watson	Clemson	2017 (12)	Week 1, 2018
Indianapolis Colts (list)	Jacoby Brissett	NC State	2016 (91)	Week 11, 2019
Jacksonville Jaguars (list)	Nick Foles	Arizona	2012 (88)	Week 11, 2019
Kansas City Chiefs (list)	Patrick Mahomes	Texas Tech	2017 (10)	Week 10, 2019
Los Angeles Chargers (list)	Philip Rivers	NC State	2004 (4)	Week 1, 2006	[9]
Los Angeles Rams (list)	Jared Goff	California	2016 (1)	Week 1, 2018
Miami Dolphins (list)	Ryan Fitzpatrick	Harvard	2005 (250)	Week 7, 2019
Minnesota Vikings (list)	Kirk Cousins	Michigan State	2012 (102)	Week 1, 2018
New England Patriots (list)	Tom Brady	Michigan	2000 (199)	Week 5, 2016
New Orleans Saints (list)	Drew Brees	Purdue	2001 (32)	Week 8, 2019
New York Giants (list)	Daniel Jones	Duke	2019 (6)	Week 3, 2019
New York Jets (list)	Sam Darnold	USC	2018 (3)	Week 6, 2019
Oakland Raiders (list)	Derek Carr	Fresno State	2014 (36)	Week 6, 2017
Philadelphia Eagles (list)	Carson Wentz	North Dakota State	2016 (2)	Week 1, 2019
Pittsburgh Steelers (list)	Devlin Hodges	Samford	2019 (Undrafted)	Week 13, 2019
San Francisco 49ers (list)	Jimmy Garoppolo	Eastern Illinois	2014 (62)	Week 1, 2019
Seattle Seahawks (list)	Russell Wilson	Wisconsin	2012 (75)	Week 1, 2012	[10]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (list)	Jameis Winston	Florida State	2015 (1)	Week 12, 2018
Tennessee Titans (list)	Ryan Tannehill	Texas A&M	2012 (8)	Week 7, 2019
Washington Redskins (list)	Dwayne Haskins	Ohio State	2019 (15)	Week 9, 2019

An interesting list....but sometime when you have a few hours you might go back through 7 or 8 years of Rivals rankings of QBs and check the 5* and see how many of them have been starters in the NFL ….or even finished at the college they signed with.  IMO, but ranking and recruiting HS players is an inexact science and doing that with QBs is worse still. 

If you look over the list, giving any one coach much credit for "developing QBs (plural) is a stretch...and holding anyone accountable for not developing them is also questionable IMO.     There might be some common denominator in there.      but it's hard to find him....and a good percentage of the starting QBs in FBS are transfers....so easy to see that JG and most other #2 or #3 guys will transfer if they end up behind a starting freshman or soph. Three of the four starting QBs in the playoff are transfers.. 

[rockfordpi 91]

On 12/9/2019 at 8:49 AM, The Freak said:

Is it funny that Gus has a history of poor personnel decisions?

Sure, we would all be better off if we let either the fans or the powers that be at AU make the personnel decisions.

[McLoofus 35,182]

6 minutes ago, rockfordpi said:

Sure, we would all be better off if we let either the fans or the powers that be at AU make the personnel decisions.

Who suggested that?

[rockfordpi 91]

3 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Who suggested that?

By definition, SOMEONE has to make them. Before one criticizes, one must know (or at least believe) the thing criticized was wrong (and that there were better options). So, that means fans right, Gus wrong. Gus makes bad choices, authority must be passed to those who can make good choices. That leaves only fans or the powers that be at AU.

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

1 minute ago, rockfordpi said:

By definition, SOMEONE has to make them. Before one criticizes, one must know (or at least believe) the thing criticized was wrong (and that there were better options). So, that means fans right, Gus wrong. Gus makes bad choices, authority must be passed to those who can make good choices. That leaves only fans or the powers that be at AU.

There is another option. It was not exercised this season/offseason. Fingers crossed we don't have to revisit it. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

And as for the onus on one to know the thing criticized was wrong, I see a gray area there. Just look at the Florida game. We failed to tally 300 yards of total offense in that game. That alone tells me that Gus's judgment with regards to offense is highly imperfect. Does that mean that I know he made bad personnel decisions? No. But that is a door that has been opened wide for speculation. 

(Also, Gus said after that game that he made bad personnel decisions.)