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While reading all of the threads yesterday I believe I saw it mentioned that Iggy is probably returning next year which would be great for the Auburn Defense as I was expecting him to leave early that is almost like signing a 5* for a season.  The other area on D where we will be losing some key people is D-Line thanks to way Garner plays lots of people we still have a lot of returning players who have played in the big games against the best teams. One key guy I would love to see come back is Coe as I thought he was ready for a breakout year this year.  Has anybody heard what his plans are. Keeping him for one more year would ease the loss some of the great players leaving for the NFL. 

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23 minutes ago, ClaytonAU said:

Currently according to 247’s composite’s rankings:

 

Alabama is in 2nd with a score of 310.39 and an average player rating of 93.48

UGA is 4th with a score of 293.24 and an average player rating of 93.65

LSU is 5th with a score of 292.45 and an average player rating of 92.43

Texas A&M is 6th with a score or 277.84 and a player rating of 91.27

Auburn is 7th with a score of 270.97 and a player rating of 90.88.

 

Most people put a lot of stock into the average player rating and typically when your average player rating breaks the 90 threshold, you’re doing something right and can compete with the big dogs. 
 

Auburn has broken that threshold for the the third year in a row. 

Also worth noting that several of our most important recruits are 3* JUCO OLs who are more valuable to us in this cycle than most 4* HS OLs would be. That doesn't paint a perfect picture of our overall situation, but it's worth noting. 

If we signed just Bro Jones (huge *if*), it would bump us up close to TAMU in terms of average player rating. Jackson and Hardy, our other 2 main targets, would probably takes us closer to LSU. 

Like Clayton said, that's good enough to beat any team on the schedule, especially since we've already been recruiting well as he pointed out and if we hit on a couple positions of need. 

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23 minutes ago, TXaubie said:

Yep, Joey Mac is my neighbor. Name drop much. Lol...

 

Georgia Tech with the 24th ranked class. I would say that’s impressive?!?!  Not that I have ever noticed their classes, but I would not have guessed that they would have a top 25 class. 

Nice!

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14 hours ago, AU64 said:

Shoot who knows.?  ...everyone has a system.....and maybe some of their "analysts" trust the bama coaches and evaluators more than they trust ESPN or 247.   It's mostly a beauty contest IMO.....all the girls are pretty. 

Just for clarification, scout.com is now part of 247.

36 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

You don't know the hate I have for tech/bobby dodd  apparently............they are lower then whale s*** on the bottom of the ocean. 

 

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11 hours ago, Mikey said:

I didn't think anyone over the age of three would need an explanation, but since you do: Turn on the TV and watch a football game. Wait for a punt play. See the center, the one in the middle of the offensive line? He's the deep snapper. He plays on the offensive line. That makes him an offensive lineman. Now, go find a game or tape to watch and all should be revealed to you.

Really don’t know why you’re so adamant about classifying him as an OL, even the official roster classified him as an LS. Let’s also not forget that he’s 226lbs.

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35 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

One key guy I would love to see come back is Coe as I thought he was ready for a breakout year this year.  Has anybody heard what his plans are. Keeping him for one more year would ease the loss some of the great players leaving for the NFL. 

I am pretty certain that he is headed for a transfer.  From what I gather, his attitude is definitely not wanted on the team

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17 minutes ago, 1716AU said:

I am pretty certain that he is headed for a transfer.  From what I gather, his attitude is definitely not wanted on the team

Anybody know any details about him?  Were the attitude issues recent, or was it something that built up over time?  He got such great reviews his first year, sucks to hear about it.

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44 minutes ago, 1716AU said:

I am pretty certain that he is headed for a transfer.  From what I gather, his attitude is definitely not wanted on the team

I haven't heard anything about this since that week he didn't play. I thought the team leaders said he had gotten his head right. I really hope he stays and has a breakout season, but not if he has a negative impact attitude wise on the team...no cancer

I know Gus will not tolerate that either and that is one of my favorite qualities about Gus as a person and a coach.

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1 hour ago, Maverick.AU said:

Really don’t know why you’re so adamant about classifying him as an OL, even the official roster classified him as an LS. Let’s also not forget that he’s 226lbs.

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I’ve tried to explain this to him that even the official website lists him as a long snapper. He’s just too busy trying to prove to the site that he’s not absolutely bonkers and it’s unfortunately not worked... 

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1 hour ago, AuburnNTexas said:

Has anybody heard what his plans are

Whether he goes pro or not the latest I’ve heard is not to expect him back. Not sure he has the love for football some do.

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1 hour ago, 1716AU said:

I am pretty certain that he is headed for a transfer.  From what I gather, his attitude is definitely not wanted on the team

It’s not a bad attitude like that. Just not sure he’s committed to football. If he does leave I don’t expect him to transfer. I think turning pro would be more likely but not necessarily the most likely.

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8 minutes ago, ellitor said:

It’s not a bad attitude like that. Just not sure he’s committed to football. If he does leave I don’t expect him to transfer. I think turning pro would be more likely but not necessarily the most likely.

I guess that happens and I can see it....but likely nobody in the NFL will not be as tolerant as Gus or most college coaches.    It's all business and no time to mess with guys who don't get the message.....unless you are some an important player......and then you get lots of "do-overs" like the Seahawks seem to do.

Too bad.….he can be good but gotta have the fire. . 

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3 hours ago, ClaytonAU said:

Currently according to 247’s composite’s rankings:

 

Alabama is in 2nd with a score of 310.39 and an average player rating of 93.48

UGA is 4th with a score of 293.24 and an average player rating of 93.65

LSU is 5th with a score of 292.45 and an average player rating of 92.43

Texas A&M is 6th with a score or 277.84 and a player rating of 91.27

Auburn is 7th with a score of 270.97 and a player rating of 90.88.

 

Most people put a lot of stock into the average player rating and typically when your average player rating breaks the 90 threshold, you’re doing something right and can compete with the big dogs. 
 

Auburn has broken that threshold for the the third year in a row. 

Thanks for the summary.  So how should we think about this?  We're number 4 in our division of the west; and behind our oldest rival in the East.  So that doesn't sound too exciting.  The other side is (I think as you were trying to say); well, we rate over a "90"; so we have elite caliber talent...so it's up to the staff developing our elite talent better than other staffs developing their elite talent...

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2 minutes ago, japantiger said:

So how should we think about this? 

Maybe marginally behind talent wise but the big picture is there’s enough talent there to beat our rivals if we develop and retain the talent that we have signed.

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@ClaytonAU, I haven't joined your OL/LS discussion all that often, but there is one thing I'm confused about. When discussing other schools, @Mikey is very adamant that the count should not include non-scholarship players. I think that makes some sense because the point to the list is to find guys who provide actual depth on the OL, ie., guys who might actually play.

Yet, in the same breath, he argues that Bill Taylor should count. That makes no sense, and it makes no sense for a very obvious reason. Bill Taylor would never play a snap with Auburn's offense on the field. In fact, we have a walk-on with more game snaps with the offense on the field:  Trent Kelley. He actually played in a game in 2018 (Alabama State), and he played snaps in two games in 2019 (Oregon and Samford). All of those were actual snaps on the OL with the offense on the field. I'm not aware of a single time in Taylor's Auburn career where he's played on the OL with the offense on the field. (Side note:  I was not aware that Taylor did not play our last four games. I knew he missed one, but I didn't know he was out that long.)

If the goal is count actual depth, why would we include Taylor (a guy who never plays OL with the offense) but not Kelley (a guy who plays very rarely but always as an actual OL with the offense)?

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3 minutes ago, mcgufcm said:

If the goal is count actual depth, why would we include Taylor (a guy who never plays OL with the offense) but not Kelley (a guy who plays very rarely but always as an actual OL with the offense)?

Ooh, I know, I know...

 

 

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@mcgufcm the reason you’re confused is the same reason everyone not named Mikey and his boy Proud Tiger are confused. His illogical argument doesn’t make sense and he’s somehow convinced himself that he’s right. 

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1 minute ago, ClaytonAU said:

@mcgufcm the reason you’re confused is the same reason everyone not named Mikey and his boy Proud Tiger are confused. His illogical argument doesn’t make sense and he’s somehow convinced himself that he’s right. 

Some of us just have a character we like to play on message boards...being honest or right isn't the point...the sport is in defending a position.

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Beside all the other good reason you don't count a specialist snapper like Taylor in the O-Line. I saw in one game where Derrick Brown threw a  O-Lineman who was well over 300 pounds out of the way to make a tackle in the back field. Can you imagine how far a DT like Brown could throw a 226 pound center.  The roster designates him as LS for a reason.

This is no knock on Taylor the guy does a great job at a very difficult task. 

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4 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

Beside all the other good reason you don't count a specialist snapper like Taylor in the O-Line. I saw in one game where Derrick Brown threw a  O-Lineman who was well over 300 pounds out of the way to make a tackle in the back field. Can you imagine how far a DT like Brown could throw a 226 pound center.  The roster designates him as LS for a reason.

This is no knock on Taylor the guy does a great job at a very difficult task. 

Absolutely. Bo Nix or Tank Bigsby could go down as the GOAT at Auburn. But not at tackle, center or guard.

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6 minutes ago, AUDevil said:

Some of us just have a character we like to play on message boards...being honest or right isn't the point...the sport is in defending a position.

That’s fine, but throwing a false claim about a long snapper being an offensive lineman isn’t a character, it’s just dumb. 

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4 hours ago, 1716AU said:

I am pretty certain that he is headed for a transfer.  From what I gather, his attitude is definitely not wanted on the team

Dang, he was one of my favorites-I'm not sure how he got derailed this year.  Love to see him come back, have a great season, and go on to have a good NFL career. Whatever he does, I hope it works out for him.

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9 hours ago, Mikey said:

No, it makes him a guy that's supposed to try to block the kick. Just as putting a CB on the LOS facing a wideout doesn't make him a down D lineman.

Lol. A long snapper is just a guy that's supposed to snap a spiral a long distance. Putting a long snapper on the actual O-Line would be about as successful as putting a linebacker down there - as most LSs are built like unathletic linebackers.

I would call your stance a losing argument but you don't have an argument. 

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7 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Also worth noting that several of our most important recruits are 3* JUCO OLs who are more valuable to us in this cycle than most 4* HS OLs would be. That doesn't paint a perfect picture of our overall situation, but it's worth noting. 

If we signed just Bro Jones (huge *if*), it would bump us up close to TAMU in terms of average player rating. Jackson and Hardy, our other 2 main targets, would probably takes us closer to LSU. 

Like Clayton said, that's good enough to beat any team on the schedule, especially since we've already been recruiting well as he pointed out and if we hit on a couple positions of need. 

Absolutely, if they go and sign Jackson, BroJones, Hardy and maybe another DT (depending on the #s) that's one of the best overall classes filling in quality talent at damn near every position that I can remember.

The only thing lacking would be a slam dunk QB, but that was going to be hard this day and time with Bo on campus signing one and even harder keeping him.

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8 hours ago, ClaytonAU said:

@mcgufcm the reason you’re confused is the same reason everyone not named Mikey and his boy Proud Tiger are confused. His illogical argument doesn’t make sense and he’s somehow convinced himself that he’s right. 

Young grasshopper, this discussion about O-line depth goes way, way back to prior years. Long, long before your current interest in it. I said we had 18 scholarship O-line players. (we did at the time) The deniers denied that and demanded a list, so I provided the requested list of 18 scholarship O-line players. It included ONE long snapper, Bill Taylor. Since the deniers could not find any other fault in my list, they jumped on the ONE long snapper as something to hang their hats on. As though the remaining 17, or 3.4 per position weren't enough O-linemen. As the months have rolled by, I'll all but forget the situation, but then those who got egg on their faces cannot seem to get over it so they bring it up ever and anon. If you don't think Taylor is an O-lineman, fine. I do. To reiterate, it ain't me that keeps trying to make one LS guy somehow invalidate a list of 18. @Maverick.AU, this should answer your question.

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