All Things Violations Talk

[Tiger 8,817]

Along with Sean Miller with the FBI scandal

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-arizonas-sean-miller-lsus-will-wade-notified-will-subpoenaed-federal-hoops-corruption-trial-180149786.html

[gravejd 3,269]

i'm of the opinion that this has gone beyond the level off individual coaches needing to be concerned. Its some bad press but i think its been proven at this point that the whole system is the problem and not some rogue coaches breaking the rules. It'll be interesting if the NCAA actually tries to go after individuals at this point.  

[Tiger 8,817]

Uh oh......not good for LSU. Quotes from the wiretap from Will Wade. Hmmmm no wonder LSU has been getting all this talent

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL3B3a08wNWtIbEg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH6itV_8pIPi-xipSn5QhtgdT0UGuQ6eW_yIZ4WAxJFe-xh_DfR1iE9I8IETxn5s4DZpWWV4fN5mdKwuZTK2a8vy7_Zku_ibK7lMAFOAGuQxVJRQerUxhjaFEG1pGWf_h2dpOhgEMPPLXjlVhMvKxmxVpwzvqYxc14jbZ6j_hxfP

 

 

[LKEEL75 2,566]

WOW!

 

[GwillMac6 20,607]

2 hours ago, Tiger said:

Uh oh......not good for LSU. Quotes from the wiretap from Will Wade. Hmmmm no wonder LSU has been getting all this talent

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL3B3a08wNWtIbEg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH6itV_8pIPi-xipSn5QhtgdT0UGuQ6eW_yIZ4WAxJFe-xh_DfR1iE9I8IETxn5s4DZpWWV4fN5mdKwuZTK2a8vy7_Zku_ibK7lMAFOAGuQxVJRQerUxhjaFEG1pGWf_h2dpOhgEMPPLXjlVhMvKxmxVpwzvqYxc14jbZ6j_hxfP

 

 

I got you fam!

[GwillMac6 20,607]

A 2017 phone conversation intercepted by the FBI between LSU coach Will Wade and basketball middleman Christian Dawkins features Wade speaking freely about a “strong-ass offer” he made in the recruitment of a prospect, Yahoo Sports has learned.

On part of the call, Wade expresses frustration that a third party affiliated with the recruitment had yet to accept Wade’s “offer.” Instead, a verbal commitment to LSU was being delayed because Wade theorized he hadn’t given the third party a big “enough piece of the pie in the deal” and instead “tilted” the offer toward the player and his mother.

“I was thinking last night on this Smart thing,” Wade said. “I’ll be honest with you, I’m [expletive] tired of dealing with the thing. Like I’m just [expletive] sick of dealing with the [expletive]. Like, this should not be that [expletive] complicated.”

There is no elaboration on what the “Smart thing” is. Javonte Smart is currently a freshman guard at LSU and formerly a top-50 recruit from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Dawkins is known to be on FBI wiretaps during the late spring and summer of 2017. ESPN, citing court records, previously reported that Dawkins had “at least three calls with a cellphone number belonging to LSU coach Will Wade, each of which occurred between June 19, 2017, and June 30, 2017.” Smart announced his commitment to LSU via Twitter on June 30, 2017.

“Dude,” Wade continued to Dawkins, referring to the third party involved in the recruitment, “I went to him with a [expletive] strong-ass offer about a month ago. [Expletive] strong.

“The problem was, I know why he didn’t take it now, it was [expletive] tilted toward the family a little bit,” Wade continued. “It was tilted toward taking care of the mom, taking care of the kid. Like it was tilted towards that. Now I know for a fact he didn’t explain everything to the mom. I know now, he didn’t get enough of the piece of the pie in the deal.”

Dawkins responded by saying, “Hmmmm.”

“It was a [expletive] hell of a [expletive] offer,” Wade continued. “Hell of an offer.”

“OK,” Dawkins said.

“Especially for a kid who is going to be a two- or three-year kid,” Wade said.

Smart, a guard who is averaging 11.4 points a game for LSU this season, was not considered a one-and-done NBA prospect when he committed to the Tigers.

The tape does not reference any specifics about the “offer,” if the particulars of the “offer” violated NCAA rules, if the player and/or his mother ever knew of the “offer” or if anyone accepted whatever the “offer” was.

It does not appear from this part of the call that Dawkins had any knowledge of what Wade is describing.

Dawkins declined comment Thursday through his attorney, Steve Haney. LSU athletic director Joe Alleva also declined comment Thursday to Yahoo Sports. Calls and text messages to Wade and Melinda Smart, mother of Javonte Smart, were not immediately returned.

The tape does suggest the FBI possesses additional evidence and phone conversations that could be entered into evidence in the second trial, which is slated to begin April 22 in New York.

It also speaks to the line of aggressive questioning Wade may face if he testifies at that trial – namely explaining, under oath, the specifics in recruiting conversations such as the above.

Defense attorneys are in the process of formally filing subpoenas for both Wade and Arizona coach Sean Miller to testify for the defense at the second trial. Haney said he might try to bring in other coaches to the witness stand.

“As many as I can get in the courtroom,” Haney said. “…We are going to pull back the curtains.”

The defense will try to show through wiretapped phone calls and direct testimony from college coaches that Dawkins and Code were not attempting to bribe the coaches to gain an inside track on signing their NBA-bound talent. “The second trial will be an argument over the facts of the government’s case, which we dispute,” Haney said on Tuesday. Namely, if Dawkins and Code were attempting to bribe coaches, why wouldn’t the subject have come up on wiretap when they were discussing recruits?

Dawkins, a basketball middleman with deep connections to grassroots hoops, and Merl Code, an Adidas consultant, are facing federal bribery charges in that trial. Three co-defendants who worked as assistant college coaches, Tony Bland of USC, Emanuel “Book” Richardson of Arizona and Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State, have all reached plea agreements in the case.

Dawkins, Code and Adidas executive James Gatto were found guilty during the scandal’s first trial in October at the Moynihan Federal Courthouse in Lower Manhattan. On Tuesday, Gatto was sentenced to nine months in prison and Dawkins and Code each received six-month sentences.

A call between Dawkins and Wade also emerged during the first trial. The two were discussing 2019 recruit Balsa Koprivica, who eventually committed to Florida State.

“So you said to me … there was a 2019 kid I wanted to recruit, they can get him to LSU, you would have funded,” Dawkins said to Wade. “Would you want Balsa?”

“Oh, the big kid?” Wade said.

Dawkins confirmed he was talking about the 7-foot-1 Koprivica.

“OK, but there is other [expletive] involved in it,” Wade said. “I have got to shut my door…”

After a brief delay, Wade said, “I can get you what you need, but it’s got to work.”

At the trial, Gatto’s defense attorney, Casey Donnelly, said the inference was about “money.” On June 21, 2017, during the timeframe of the calls, Koprivica announced on Twitter he had received a scholarship offer from LSU.

Wade never denied speaking with Dawkins but told reporters last fall that, “I have never, ever, done any business of any kind with Christian Dawkins.”

At the time, Alleva said in a statement that the exchange between Dawkins and Wade was a “snippet of a conversation in an active federal case.” He added that LSU was “ready, as always, to work with the NCAA on this.”

Wade, 36, took over at LSU in 2017. He previously coached VCU and Chattanooga. LSU’s 2018 recruiting class ranked as high as No. 3 in the country. The Tigers are 25-5, ranked No. 10 in the country and need only to defeat last-place Vanderbilt on Saturday to win their first SEC regular-season title since 2009.

 

[mustache eagle 2,388]

Crazy

[Maverick.AU 13,279]

One LSU fan’s opinion:

“Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I consider this encouraging news regarding Wade's commitment to success - assuming no true legal exposure, of course. It's been said lot on this and other boards that in order to win at recruiting, you have to be willing to get your hands dirty. Just have to make sure you're smart about it (no pun intended).”

Most of them seem to think that the info released today means nothing and lacks evidence lol

 

[GwillMac6 20,607]

1 hour ago, Maverick.AU said:

One LSU fan’s opinion:

“Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I consider this encouraging news regarding Wade's commitment to success - assuming no true legal exposure, of course. It's been said lot on this and other boards that in order to win at recruiting, you have to be willing to get your hands dirty. Just have to make sure you're smart about it (no pun intended).”

Most of them seem to think that the info released today means nothing and lacks evidence lol

 

I actually agree with them being encouraged about Wade being willing to do WHATEVER it takes to make them a winner. I MEAN LOOK AT THEM on the court. Clearly it worked! They are going to win the sec this saturday. College basketball is by far the sleaziest and dirtiest business in all of college athletics. Schools like LSU in bball and Ole Miss in fball have to cheat to be competitive. I MEAN OH NO what happens if they get caught?! They go right back to where they were before which is being a NOBODY. It is not like a blue blood who if they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar they have a LOT more at stake and a lot more to lose. 

[Maverick.AU 13,279]

24 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

I actually agree with them being encouraged about Wade being willing to do WHATEVER it takes to make them a winner. I MEAN LOOK AT THEM on the court. Clearly it worked! They are going to win the sec this saturday. College basketball is by far the sleaziest and dirtiest business in all of college athletics. Schools like LSU in bball and Ole Miss in fball have to cheat to be competitive. I MEAN OH NO what happens if they get caught?! They go right back to where they were before which is being a NOBODY. It is not like a blue blood who if they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar they have a LOT more at stake and a lot more to lose. 

I would agree with this as well lol. I don’t agree with the lot that think what was released doesn’t have any kind of credibility or evidence.

[GwillMac6 20,607]

1 minute ago, Maverick.AU said:

I would agree with this as well lol. I don’t agree with the lot that think what was released doesn’t have any kind of credibility or evidence.

O DUDE I AM WITH YOU ON THAT FAMMY!!!! They are effed! lol. They are in denial if they do not think there is enough evidence that is damning. 

[AlaskanFAN 1,665]

1 hour ago, GwillMac6 said:

I actually agree with them being encouraged about Wade being willing to do WHATEVER it takes to make them a winner. I MEAN LOOK AT THEM on the court. Clearly it worked! They are going to win the sec this saturday. College basketball is by far the sleaziest and dirtiest business in all of college athletics. Schools like LSU in bball and Ole Miss in fball have to cheat to be competitive. I MEAN OH NO what happens if they get caught?! They go right back to where they were before which is being a NOBODY. It is not like a blue blood who if they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar they have a LOT more at stake and a lot more to lose. 

For now, but in a year or two the will have to vacate all wins with the “Smart” kid and be stripped of the SEC regular season title! Bye bye CWW.....

[augolf1716 21,096]

Yeah I figure LSU will hang onto WW until they lose in the NCAA's then say bye bye WW

[gravejd 3,269]

Wow! that article certainly sounds really bad. LSU better make the most out of this season cause they are about to get drilled. I imagine there is likely more coming out as well. And he's gotta go to court and answer questions about these recorded conversations! No way the school wants him still employed while that is going on....

[AlaskanFAN 1,665]

“Defense attorneys are in the process of formally filing subpoenas for both Wade and Arizona coach Sean Miller to testify for the defense at the second trial. Haney said he might try to bring in other coaches to the witness stand.”

Double edge sword. When CWW testifies, he will have to decide to either lie on the stand or if he tells the truth which will cost him his job and LSU will eventually get hammered by the NC2A.

i am sure the NC2A has their ears on.

 

[doverstutts 1,643]

even the LSU beat writer is saying things are going to go downhill fast....the SEC rant is lit up with this and reading stuff there gives me the impression that bruce needs to get hold of naz reeds phone number....supposedly, there is more coming even after todays stuff

[Tiger 8,817]

19 hours ago, doverstutts said:

even the LSU beat writer is saying things are going to go downhill fast....the SEC rant is lit up with this and reading stuff there gives me the impression that bruce needs to get hold of naz reeds phone number....supposedly, there is more coming even after todays stuff

I can't imagine Naz stays beyond this year. I'm thinking there is very little chance he will be eligible for NCAA basketball after this season once more of  Wade's phone convos come out

[gr82b4au 5,568]

He has now been suspended. 

[gravejd 3,269]

Damage control at this point by the university?? If I was LSU fan I’d say let’s ride this train all the way down. They are about loss all their players for next anyway. May as well enjoy this one

[Tiger 8,817]

5 minutes ago, gravejd said:

Damage control at this point by the university?? If I was LSU fan I’d say let’s ride this train all the way down. They are about loss all their players for next anyway. May as well enjoy this one

Agree. You've come this far, just ride this baby out. They have a good team. Are they going to suspend the kid that they were talking about during this particular phone call too? 

Are they hoping we are naive enough to believe that he turned down the money and went to LSU anyway? 

[ellitor 33,062]

19 minutes ago, gr82b4au said:

He has now been suspended. 

 

[ellitor 33,062]

10 minutes ago, Tiger said:

17 minutes ago, gravejd said:

Damage control at this point by the university?? If I was LSU fan I’d say let’s ride this train all the way down. They are about loss all their players for next anyway. May as well enjoy this one

Agree. You've come this far, just ride this baby out. They have a good team. Are they going to suspend the kid that they were talking about during this particular phone call too? 

Are they hoping we are naive enough to believe that he turned down the money and went to LSU anyway? 

Guys! Guys! Don't help them out. I'm perfectly fine with WW being suspended through SEC Tourney if we beat the Vols tomorrow. We then would have to play LSU on Semifinal Saturday if we beat Carolina in the quarters. I like our chances better of beating LSU in the Semis & getting to the tourney finals if WW isn't coaching.

[auburnphan 6,050]

Personally, I hope the SEC is pro-active and bans them from post season tournament play.   Forfeit there wins and improve the records of the rest of the league for post season play.

Curious how voters are gonna rank them next week.

[ellitor 33,062]

6 minutes ago, auburnphan said:

Personally, I hope the SEC is pro-active and bans them from post season tournament play.   Forfeit there wins and improve the records of the rest of the league for post season play.

Doubt something like that happens within a week.

7 minutes ago, auburnphan said:

Curious how voters are gonna rank them next week.

I'm indifferent to what they vote since it has no impact on post season selection. Would be more telling if the NCAA selection committee leaves them off the bracket next Sunday.

[keesler 5,923]

1 hour ago, ellitor said:

Doubt something like that happens within a week.

I'm indifferent to what they vote since it has no impact on post season selection. Would be more telling if the NCAA selection committee leaves them off the bracket next Sunday.

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