All Things Violations Talk

[AURex 1,994]

Wade actually has the audacity to ask the LSU administration to reinstate him as head coach immediately. !!

 

[AUGoo 2,659]

On 3/7/2019 at 3:27 PM, GwillMac6 said:

I actually agree with them being encouraged about Wade being willing to do WHATEVER it takes to make them a winner. I MEAN LOOK AT THEM on the court. Clearly it worked! They are going to win the sec this saturday. College basketball is by far the sleaziest and dirtiest business in all of college athletics. Schools like LSU in bball and Ole Miss in fball have to cheat to be competitive. I MEAN OH NO what happens if they get caught?! They go right back to where they were before which is being a NOBODY. It is not like a blue blood who if they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar they have a LOT more at stake and a lot more to lose. 

Blue Bloods also have a lot more folks covering for them

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Just now, AUGoo said:

Blue Bloods also have a lot more folks covering for them

Absolutely. And they have decades of cheating to know how to get away with it. 

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1 hour ago, AURex said:

Wade actually has the audacity to ask the LSU administration to reinstate him as head coach immediately. !!

 

That should make the LSU folks happy who follow the “ain’t cheating, Ian;t trying” mantra.

[AU64 10,122]

1 minute ago, AUGoo said:

Blue Bloods also have a lot more folks covering for them

Mostly the blue bloods have a bunch of underlings to do the dirty work and are just smarter and better at it. 

And of course the NCAA seems to look out after their premier programs to assure nothing bad happens to them. 

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,662]

Yeah the NCAA in CBB protects blue bloods even more than in football. Im not mad at LSU although its gonna be fun not having to deal with them getting Kentucky type of recruits

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[augolf1716 21,109]

wow would have lost money on that one 

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[gravejd 3,270]

Bold move by LSU....rolling the dice with the NCAA with this move. If he does make it to next season it'll be interesting to see how he does in recruiting now. Surely he'll have to clean up his tactics and the audio of him talking about his player is not flattering. Didn't sound like a guy who had the players best interests at heart. Shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone when a coach can talk about paying players in a recording phone conversation and he doesn't get fired. 

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26 minutes ago, gravejd said:

Bold move by LSU....rolling the dice with the NCAA with this move. If he does make it to next season it'll be interesting to see how he does in recruiting now. Surely he'll have to clean up his tactics and the audio of him talking about his player is not flattering. Didn't sound like a guy who had the players best interests at heart. Shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone when a coach can talk about paying players in a recording phone conversation and he doesn't get fired. 

I think the NCAA has thrown in the towel save for the cases of where schools like Missouri hang themselves with cooperation. 

[AU64 10,122]

32 minutes ago, gravejd said:

Bold move by LSU....rolling the dice with the NCAA with this move. If he does make it to next season it'll be interesting to see how he does in recruiting now. Surely he'll have to clean up his tactics and the audio of him talking about his player is not flattering. Didn't sound like a guy who had the players best interests at heart. Shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone when a coach can talk about paying players in a recording phone conversation and he doesn't get fired. 

NCAA moves so slowly the LSU officials making the decisions probably figure they will be moved along to a  new job before anything happens....so might as well just run the risk and let someone else pay the bills....kinda like congress and deficit funding......

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I thought lsu would have at least waited until he testified in court.

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6 minutes ago, AU64 said:

NCAA moves so slowly the LSU officials making the decisions probably figure they will be moved along to a  new job before anything happens....so might as well just run the risk and let someone else pay the bills....kinda like congress and deficit funding......

Well I side with the LSU fanbase regarding their AD. He could’ve let Wade finish coaching the season, but didn’t and basically threw innocent players under the bus. The worst thing that could’ve happen was Wade was determined to be guilty after the season and the wins be vacated. Instead he suspended Wade and let the players run through the postseason with a bench coach while going against the likes of Tom Izzo. 

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[gravejd 3,270]

Quote from LSU on the re-instatement:

"The University regrets that Coach Wade did not choose to fulfill his obligations to LSU when he was first asked to do so. However, the seriousness of the allegations and Coach Wade's prior refusal to refute them could not be ignored without exposing the University and basketball program to great risk. Protecting LSU and preserving our integrity must always be our first priority. Coach Wade's explanations and clarifications offered during the meeting, absent actual evidence of misconduct, satisfy his contractual obligation to LSU."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement statement and doesn't sound like the AD is super happy about letting him come back. I think AU64 might be right.....the fans want him back so re-instate and let the next guy worry about it if the hammer falls in a few years

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9 minutes ago, gravejd said:

Quote from LSU on the re-instatement:

"The University regrets that Coach Wade did not choose to fulfill his obligations to LSU when he was first asked to do so. However, the seriousness of the allegations and Coach Wade's prior refusal to refute them could not be ignored without exposing the University and basketball program to great risk. Protecting LSU and preserving our integrity must always be our first priority. Coach Wade's explanations and clarifications offered during the meeting, absent actual evidence of misconduct, satisfy his contractual obligation to LSU."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement statement and doesn't sound like the AD is super happy about letting him come back. I think AU64 might be right.....the fans want him back so re-instate and let the next guy worry about it if the hammer falls in a few years

why would the hammer fall in a few years? Is this current situation not put Wade on shaky ground? 

If the NCAA is involved in the discussions, sounds like they are letting Wade off the hook. 

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45 minutes ago, steeleagle said:

why would the hammer fall in a few years? Is this current situation not put Wade on shaky ground? 

If the NCAA is involved in the discussions, sounds like they are letting Wade off the hook. 

It usually takes ncaa a year or so to do investigations. Throw in all the court stuff and all the programs that are impacted by cheating allegations I just think it’s going to take a while for it all to shake out. 

Mom sure the ncaa was there as a formality so that the school can show they did their due diligence bu asking him questions. I image the convo went like

lsu: “so wade did you offer money for schools to sign at LSU?” 

Wade: “no I would never do that”

Lsu:” that tape sound bad...strong ass offer?”

wade: “yes the strong ass offer was an offer to attend lsu which is a great university “

Lsu to ncaa: “see we did an investigation”

ncaa: “yes you did...we’ll be in touch”

 

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3 hours ago, gravejd said:

Quote from LSU on the re-instatement:

"The University regrets that Coach Wade did not choose to fulfill his obligations to LSU when he was first asked to do so. However, the seriousness of the allegations and Coach Wade's prior refusal to refute them could not be ignored without exposing the University and basketball program to great risk. Protecting LSU and preserving our integrity must always be our first priority. Coach Wade's explanations and clarifications offered during the meeting, absent actual evidence of misconduct, satisfy his contractual obligation to LSU."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement statement and doesn't sound like the AD is super happy about letting him come back. I think AU64 might be right.....the fans want him back so re-instate and let the next guy worry about it if the hammer falls in a few years

Like this part!

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

That horse done left the barn long ago!

[gravejd 3,270]

And now the search for the “next guy” begins lol

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/26546434/sources-alleva-plans-step-lsu-ad

[augolf1716 21,109]

I know they want Scott Woodard will be interesting to see what happens

[BJCrawford 1,568]

Is it just me, or is Will Wade one of the most unlikeable coaches in the SEC. seems like such a whiny baby.  I hope they lose every game they play. Heck I even like the Bama coach compared to him. As much as I hate to admit it, he seems like a good guy. Of course, no one compares to Bruce!!

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https://www.si.com/college/2020/03/19/christian-dawkins-documentary-will-wade-sean-miller

Couldn't figure out how to copy the article but here's the lead:

Dawkins Documentary Provides Damning Evidence Against Will Wade And Sean Miller

In HBO's upcoming Christian Dawkins documentary, interviews with Dawkins and wiretapped audio further implicate LSU coach Will Wade and Arizona's Sean Miller in the college basketball corruption investigation.

 

 

 

That "strong ass offer" might finally get more review.

 

[augolf1716 21,109]

Here's a copy of the full article

 

In HBO's upcoming Christian Dawkins documentary, interviews with Dawkins and wiretapped audio further implicate LSU coach Will Wade and Arizona's Sean Miller in the college basketball corruption investigation.

PAT FORDE

MAR 19, 2020

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Christian Dawkins has spoken, and he has the tapes to back him.

The wiretapped audio of Dawkins talking to LSU coach Will Wade and Arizona coach Sean Miller, among others, will be available to a worldwide audience March 31 on HBO at 9 p.m. EDT. It’s part of the documentary, “The Scheme,” which chronicles Dawkins’ wild ride from aspiring agent to central figurine in the federal investigation of corruption in college basketball. I watched an advance copy of the movie this week.

The audio—some of which was not entered into federal court and has never been heard before—will provide pertinent, first-hand information for NCAA investigators working to finalize cases involving LSU and Arizona. Much of that information comes from the mouths of the coaches themselves. That’s a significant development.

Then it will be up to LSU and Arizona to decide how they want to justify the continued employment of Wade and Miller. And for Iona to reiterate why it hired Rick Pitino, a prime target of the FBI investigation.

The schools’ justifications weren’t great the first time. And unless they come out with the truth—“we’re just trying to win here and we really don’t care about anything else”—they won’t be very good this time, either. Only a delusional fool would believe anything else.

“You listen to those calls and it's clear,” said documentary director Pat Kondelis. “The schools, they would have to see this and recognize how damning it is for the coaches. I don’t care who gets fired, but it was significant in regard to who got charged and who did not

“Who does a majority of the talking in the calls? It’s not Christian. The coaches are asking him for help, talking about who they could make offers to.”

This film is the first time Dawkins has been interviewed about the scandal. He is cocksure, unvarnished, unafraid and compelling on camera. He also says Wade and Miller are flat-out lying about not paying their basketball players, or doing business with him.

Dawkins on Miller’s 2018 press conference denial of all wrongdoing: “Sean should have his own movie agent or manager. He should be an actor.” Asked if Miller was lying, Dawkins said, “Yeah, that wasn’t true.”

Dawkins on Wade: “Just the audacity, you’ve got to take your hat off to him, bro. … Will Wade is definitely a f------ gangster for what he did.”

 

 

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Yahoo Sports reported some of the wiretaps last year, most notably the infamous Wade “strong-ass offer” recording. The story was accurate then, and the audio verifies it now.

But hearing it with your own ears, as opposed to reading a transcript on a screen, drives home the reality of what is happening. Tone of voice, the comfort Dawkins has with Wade and Miller—they increase the impact.

“It lands different,” Kondelis said.

It should land especially heavily in Baton Rouge, where Wade has evaded direct questions about what he says on tape for more than a year. When he met the media at Southeastern Conference spring meetings in late May 2019, the questions about the “strong-ass offer” tape were met with a weak-ass response: ”I have not heard the recording, so I don’t know. I don’t think any of us have heard the recordings.”

Now we’ve heard the recordings. Among the coach’s comments:

“I was thinking last night on this Smart thing. I’ll be honest with you, I’m f------ tired of dealing with the thing. Like I’m just f------ sick of dealing with the s---.

“I went to him with a f------ strong-ass offer about a month ago. F------ strong. But the problem was, I know why he didn’t take it now, because it was it was f------ tilted toward the family a little bit. But I mean, it was a f------ hell of a f------ offer. Hell of an offer. Especially for a kid who is going to be a two- or three-year kid. I’ve made deals for a lot of players who are as good as him that were f------ a lot simpler than this.”

Dawkins’ on-camera interpretation of the conversation: “They ain’t talking about a scholarship offer, bro.”

The Wade-Dawkins conversation actually begins with some byplay between the two about Jaron Blossomgame, a former Clemson player Dawkins was working with on behalf of ASM Sports Agency leading up to the 2017 NBA draft. Dawkins makes joking reference to Blossomgame going undrafted and coming back to school to play at LSU, which prompts this response from the coach: “We could compensate him better than the rookie minimum. We could give him more than the (NBA) D-League.”

“God bless us all,” Dawkins says with a laugh.

So it would seem to be time for Wade to offer the explanation he has steadfastly avoided offering. LSU, which has stuck with Wade, might be interested in offering an explanation of its own. But on Wednesday, athletic department spokesman Robert Munson told Sports Illustrated, “At this time we are not commenting on the documentary.”

The audio in the movie pertaining to Miller and Arizona is more voluminous but somewhat less certain. Miller is not careless enough to talk about a “strong-ass offer.” But he did discuss with Dawkins the alleged market price for Naz Reid (who wound up at LSU), and the language surrounding the recruitment of Nassir Little (who was involved with Miami but wound up at North Carolina) was certainly interesting.

 

 

Jacob Snow-USA TODAY Sports

Miller asks Dawkins which AAU operator he should “focus on” in recruiting Little. Dawkins responds, “They definitely want to get some [expletive] for themselves because they have been taking care of the kid, and they [expletive] like …”

Miller cuts in: “Miami doesn’t have an advantage over us in that area, do they?”

Dawkins responds: “Well, I’ll say this, what Miami does have is Adidas.”

Adidas, of course, was busted for bankrolling numerous recruiting deals in the first federal trial. You can decide for yourself what Miller meant by “an advantage.”

When the documentary is aired nationally, you can count on this: lawyers and school spin doctors will line up to take shots at Dawkins’ credibility, saying he is a young shyster who is now a convicted felon. That’s true. But so is this:

The coaches took his calls—and made calls to Dawkins. They didn’t run the other way from him. And in the recordings, they sure sounded comfortable speaking with him.

One of the more interesting moments in the film was when Dawkins described the FBI sting unfolding on him in a New York hotel room, being pressured to roll over to the feds to avoid prosecution—specifically, they wanted information on Pitino and agent Andy Miller. Dawkins did not cooperate.

(Kondelis said that Dawkins was an open book for the vast majority of their filming but “stopped short on multiple subjects. Specifically Rick Pitino.”)

In the middle of the interrogation/negotiation with the feds, Dawkins says in the film that his phone goes off. He looked at the screen, It was a call from Sean Miller.

 

“Christian knows where the bodies are buried,” Kondelis said. “Without a doubt.”

 

 

[LKEEL75 2,566]

Frustrating that hard evidence like this and nothing happens.